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Why water-cooled?
Why are smaller outboard motors water-cooled?
I am thinking 5 - 9 HP engines. I understand why inboard, inboard/outboard, and larger outboards are water-cooled; but why are smaller outboard engines water-cooled as well? Wouldn't air-cooling be simpler? |
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Why water-cooled?
"Jim Newell" wrote in message
... Why are smaller outboard motors water-cooled? I am thinking 5 - 9 HP engines. I understand why inboard, inboard/outboard, and larger outboards are water-cooled; but why are smaller outboard engines water-cooled as well? Wouldn't air-cooling be simpler? I think existing design is the biggest reason. Outboard motor design hasn't (at it's core) changed a whole lot in 70 or 80 years. The 2 glaring things which dictated water cooling that pop out to me are; 1) weight. Air cooling requires fins. Until (relatively) recently, those fins would have been a weight restriction. 2) noise. The added covering (while lower weight than fins) reduces noise. I guess a 3rd thing is the instant access to all that cool water is another influence. No issues with airflow, just scoop some cool water up and run it down over the parts that house moving parts. Ed |
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Why water-cooled?
Jim Newell wrote: Why are smaller outboard motors water-cooled? I am thinking 5 - 9 HP engines. I understand why inboard, inboard/outboard, and larger outboards are water-cooled; but why are smaller outboard engines water-cooled as well? Wouldn't air-cooling be simpler? Simpler, yes, but not my much - outboard water pumps are pretty simple IME. And air cooled engines are nowhere near as efficient. Air cooled engines are forced to run richer to maintain low enough combustion temperatures under heavy loads and high ambient temps. More fuel use, more emissions. Sitting out on the water, why *wouldn't* you water cool an engine? Keith Hughes |
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Why water-cooled?
Keith,
.....why *wouldn't* you water cool an engine? Good question, and the answer is that my original question ultimatley ends up trying to answer the bigger question..... With boat motors, even small ones costing so much money, why are there not more conversions out there running an older functional lower unit, and some sort of lawn/vertical Briggs or Techumse engine. .....I know that over time, this question has been beat to death! ....but there is always a "catch" in life, and the motor is becomming the "catch" in this case that cuts me out of participation. "Keith Hughes" wrote in message news Jim Newell wrote: Why are smaller outboard motors water-cooled? I am thinking 5 - 9 HP engines. I understand why inboard, inboard/outboard, and larger outboards are water-cooled; but why are smaller outboard engines water-cooled as well? Wouldn't air-cooling be simpler? Simpler, yes, but not my much - outboard water pumps are pretty simple IME. And air cooled engines are nowhere near as efficient. Air cooled engines are forced to run richer to maintain low enough combustion temperatures under heavy loads and high ambient temps. More fuel use, more emissions. Sitting out on the water, why *wouldn't* you water cool an engine? Keith Hughes |
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Why water-cooled?
I was around when a lot of small outboards were air cooled. The
disadvantage can be summarized in one word.....NOISE. The water in the exhaust helps to quiet the bark of the combustion. |
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Why water-cooled?
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:32:13 GMT, "Jim Newell"
wrote: ....I know that over time, this question has been beat to death! ....but there is always a "catch" in life, and the motor is becomming the "catch" in this case that cuts me out of participation. ================ There are lots of used outboards out there for reasonable prices. And then there is rec.boats.paddle, totally free, very enviro friendly and good excercise. Air cooled motor conversions are an abomination: Noisy, no rust resistance and vibration. |
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Why water-cooled?
Jim,
Keith, .....why *wouldn't* you water cool an engine? Good question, and the answer is that my original question ultimatley ends up trying to answer the bigger question..... But the 'bigger question' seems to be "why not use a gas guzzling, high polluting, incredibly noisy engine with questionable reliability since the *initial* cost is lower?". The *only* thing the old air cooled outboards had going for them (and this relates directly to a Briggs or Tecumseh as well) was lower purchase price. Back when the world was young, I did some kart and mini-bike racing, and I've "rebuilt" quite a few Briggs and Tecumseh motors. Unless they've changed significantly, they are basically disposable in design. Single piston ring, no rod or wrist-pin bearings, non-sleaveable non-replaceable jug, things like that. They would be difficult to "marine-ize" (adding additional cost as well), and the reliability is just not there. As someone else posted, look for a deal on a used outboard. From a reliability perspective, you'd be better off with a 10 year old outboard (with some minor servicing) than you would with a brand new B&S or Tecumseh conversion. Remember, you still have to have the shaft casing, waterproof gear box, shafts, propeller, etc., all of which are going to add more cost than the B&S or Tecumseh itself. Good luck! Keith Hughes |
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Why water-cooled?
"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
... From a reliability perspective, you'd be better off with a 10 year old outboard (with some minor servicing) than you would with a brand new B&S or Tecumseh conversion. In my experience, you'll do better with a 30-40 year old outboard, not to mention a 10 year old used engine. Those '60s and '70s Johnsons and Evinrudes are plenty reliable and parts are available. Ed |
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Why water-cooled?
....they are basically disposable in design.
And, that is kind of what I was thinking...odd as it may sound; I am kind of smarting from a 1985 Force 85 that crapped out. Faced with $1,300 to $1,500 for the powerhead, it got me to thinking about what it would take to make something fairly disposable. That is to say...who cares if I had to replace a $200 engine every two or three years, as compared with what I am looking at now. (Obviously, I am looking at something much slower. I was thinking floating raft almost.) "Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Jim, Keith, .....why *wouldn't* you water cool an engine? Good question, and the answer is that my original question ultimatley ends up trying to answer the bigger question..... But the 'bigger question' seems to be "why not use a gas guzzling, high polluting, incredibly noisy engine with questionable reliability since the *initial* cost is lower?". The *only* thing the old air cooled outboards had going for them (and this relates directly to a Briggs or Tecumseh as well) was lower purchase price. Back when the world was young, I did some kart and mini-bike racing, and I've "rebuilt" quite a few Briggs and Tecumseh motors. Unless they've changed significantly, they are basically disposable in design. Single piston ring, no rod or wrist-pin bearings, non-sleaveable non-replaceable jug, things like that. They would be difficult to "marine-ize" (adding additional cost as well), and the reliability is just not there. As someone else posted, look for a deal on a used outboard. From a reliability perspective, you'd be better off with a 10 year old outboard (with some minor servicing) than you would with a brand new B&S or Tecumseh conversion. Remember, you still have to have the shaft casing, waterproof gear box, shafts, propeller, etc., all of which are going to add more cost than the B&S or Tecumseh itself. Good luck! Keith Hughes |
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Why water-cooled?
And if the disposal time arrives when you're a couple miles from shore?
Oh, and please don't cruise through my marina with that noisemaker, 'cause I'm on the boat to relax :-) Keith Hughes Jim Newell wrote: ....they are basically disposable in design. And, that is kind of what I was thinking...odd as it may sound; I am kind of smarting from a 1985 Force 85 that crapped out. Faced with $1,300 to $1,500 for the powerhead, it got me to thinking about what it would take to make something fairly disposable. That is to say...who cares if I had to replace a $200 engine every two or three years, as compared with what I am looking at now. (Obviously, I am looking at something much slower. I was thinking floating raft almost.) "Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Jim, Keith, .....why *wouldn't* you water cool an engine? Good question, and the answer is that my original question ultimatley ends up trying to answer the bigger question..... But the 'bigger question' seems to be "why not use a gas guzzling, high polluting, incredibly noisy engine with questionable reliability since the *initial* cost is lower?". The *only* thing the old air cooled outboards had going for them (and this relates directly to a Briggs or Tecumseh as well) was lower purchase price. Back when the world was young, I did some kart and mini-bike racing, and I've "rebuilt" quite a few Briggs and Tecumseh motors. Unless they've changed significantly, they are basically disposable in design. Single piston ring, no rod or wrist-pin bearings, non-sleaveable non-replaceable jug, things like that. They would be difficult to "marine-ize" (adding additional cost as well), and the reliability is just not there. As someone else posted, look for a deal on a used outboard. From a reliability perspective, you'd be better off with a 10 year old outboard (with some minor servicing) than you would with a brand new B&S or Tecumseh conversion. Remember, you still have to have the shaft casing, waterproof gear box, shafts, propeller, etc., all of which are going to add more cost than the B&S or Tecumseh itself. Good luck! Keith Hughes |
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