Just got back from the supplier on the above mentioned ply and
discovered that it was all exterior glue.... looks like I will most
likely ored in the 1.5 mm finnish birch from an aircraft supply co. It
is rated finnish grade gl-11 anyone know if this is water proof?

Kevin

make that finnish grade gl-2 on my previos post.

Kevin

Aircraft rated ply is one step beyond marine rated: specifically, it
must have no voids and no patches in any ply, and be waterproof glue
laminated.

Brian W

On 29 Dec 2003 11:05:49 -0800, (Kevin) wrote:

Just got back from the supplier on the above mentioned ply and
discovered that it was all exterior glue.... looks like I will most
likely ored in the 1.5 mm finnish birch from an aircraft supply co. It
is rated finnish grade gl-11 anyone know if this is water proof?

Kevin

My brain must not be fully in gear today.....
the problem with the long list of ply that I found is that it was all
interior grade glue... not exterior as I stated above (guess the
mental clutch is slipping).

So now I think I will either do a layer of 1.5mm gl-2 finnish birch
followed by 6mm of chopped glass and resin, topped by another 1.5mm
birch ply (for 9mm of material) or 4 layers of the birch sandwiched
out with glass & epoxy to the desired 9mm.

Which of the above techniques will be stronger?

The birch is sold in 4'x4' sheets at around $24.00 a sheet plus
shipping (about $10.00). I am trying to also decide which will be more
cost effective as I haven't decided wich is more expensive, an extra
sheet of birch or the epoxy and glass needed to build a 6mm inner
core.

Any thoughts on which technique is more cost effective?

As for bending:

I will soak the birch in a very hot bath, throw in some amonia (into
the hot bath), and spot spray with water & heat it with a flat iron as
needed while applying it (a technique I saw described in one of the
model airplane building groups where the guy said he wrapped 6 inches
1.5mm around a pencil, in a very tight spiral).


Thanks,
Kevin

Beam strength in bending is determined by the strength of the layers
in the outside quarters. Glass will be cheaper stronger and more
durable than the ply. It's heavier too.....

If you use use ammonia, the heat and flat iron won't be necessary.

Brian W

On 29 Dec 2003 19:45:58 -0800, (Kevin) wrote:

My brain must not be fully in gear today.....
the problem with the long list of ply that I found is that it was all
interior grade glue... not exterior as I stated above (guess the
mental clutch is slipping).

So now I think I will either do a layer of 1.5mm gl-2 finnish birch
followed by 6mm of chopped glass and resin, topped by another 1.5mm
birch ply (for 9mm of material) or 4 layers of the birch sandwiched
out with glass & epoxy to the desired 9mm.

Which of the above techniques will be stronger?

The birch is sold in 4'x4' sheets at around $24.00 a sheet plus
shipping (about $10.00). I am trying to also decide which will be more
cost effective as I haven't decided wich is more expensive, an extra
sheet of birch or the epoxy and glass needed to build a 6mm inner
core.

Any thoughts on which technique is more cost effective?

As for bending:

I will soak the birch in a very hot bath, throw in some amonia (into
the hot bath), and spot spray with water & heat it with a flat iron as
needed while applying it (a technique I saw described in one of the
model airplane building groups where the guy said he wrapped 6 inches
1.5mm around a pencil, in a very tight spiral).


Thanks,
Kevin

(Kevin) wrote in message . com...

As for bending:

I will soak the birch in a very hot bath, throw in some amonia (into
the hot bath), and spot spray with water & heat it with a flat iron as
needed while applying it (a technique I saw described in one of the
model airplane building groups where the guy said he wrapped 6 inches
1.5mm around a pencil, in a very tight spiral).


Thanks,
Kevin
That was me. I had used the water spray/flatiron technique
to bend 1.5 mm aircraft birch ply around the leading edges of a wing
(a real airplane) where the radius was as low as an inch or so. I did
the pencil thing just to see how tight it would bend without breaking.
The ply will bend more easily across the grain using this technique,
since the outer plies are easily penetrated with the steam and will
deform well, while the inner ply is still somewhat dry and stiff and
works better parallel to the bend.
Don't use your wife's good iron. The resins from the wood will
stain it and she will get steamed up, too.

Dan

Well.......
I bent and glued in the first layer of the 1.5mm finnish birch. Didn't
even have to steam it, just bent it around my buck. Today I am going
to do a couple layers of chopped glass mat, and maybe the outer skin.
I did test a chunk of the birch, submersing it in hot water. VERY
flexible, I bent it to about a 2 inch radius.

Cut the birch to shape using a utility knife. Was afraid that a saw
would have ripped it to pieces.

Kevin