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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:24:42 -0500, "Brian McCafferty"
wrote: Dont Bother even considering raka their support is for **** I sent them 5 emails for a price quote and got back exactly 0 replies This is a digital age if you put an email address on your website you better damn sure answer them or you will get NON-customers like me who will NEVER buy from you Rant mode on: I dont care what kind of business it is if you are not going to provide the service dont open the business even if your selling widgets if you can't answer your email dont offer it as an option Rant mode off Praise mode on One of the few places I have found lately that answers their email answers even the stupid questions of the newbies is Jacques of bateau.com .... he ships his plans out super fast sends out updates if required and in general is there for his customers!!!! praise mode off I'm looking for opinions on what is the best Epoxy for general boat repair and Cedar strip Canoe kits? I'm going to sell them on a website that has been in existence for over 2 years and I am expanding the product line. I won't mention the website because I don't want to spam this group or any other group for that mater. I'm just looking for help in offering what is best for the end user. I'm thinking of West Systems, MAS Epoxies, System 3 and RAKA Epoxies. Any help will be appreciated.. Thank you |
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That's interesting, as everyone I know who's dealt with Raka has said
that Larry is very helpful and responsive. I've heard nothing but good things about his products, too. Time Walker wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:24:42 -0500, "Brian McCafferty" wrote: Dont Bother even considering raka their support is for **** I sent them 5 emails for a price quote and got back exactly 0 replies This is a digital age if you put an email address on your website you better damn sure answer them or you will get NON-customers like me who will NEVER buy from you |
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I guess I should have said I plan to offer Epoxies on my web site not Kits
for Canoes. I have been selling fiberglass, Kevlar, and Polyester and other resins now in large and small quantities since 2001. My website is very Familiar to most everyone here "I would assume" and its being redesigned for a January of February launch date. I'll be offering Epoxies, Abrasives, Safety Equipment, Laminating Tools, Chopper and Spray Guns, Adhesives, Partall mold release Products and More.. I just wanted to know what you all thought would be a good epoxies to offer on the new improved website. The ones I've considered, without getting into pouring off from drums is MAS, West, Raka and System 3. What do you guys think would be a good general purpose Epoxies for Canoes and Boat repair. I get a lot of people buying the plans elsewhere then buying the 60" cloth from my company. I have been sending my glass customers elsewhere for epoxies such as Raka. Now that I'll be offering epoxies to customer direct I want to make sure that I have proven product that will satisfy my existing customers and future ones. I want to make sure its a good reliable product. I'm leaning towards MAS because of the low Viscosity and their distributor pricing is more attractive and should be lower in price for the end user. Any Thoughts? Thanks for your help. Brian |
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Don't forget Industrial Formulators (the cold cure allows us Canuks to work
year round) and East System (for finish coat) "Brian McCafferty" wrote in message .com... I guess I should have said I plan to offer Epoxies on my web site not Kits for Canoes. I have been selling fiberglass, Kevlar, and Polyester and other resins now in large and small quantities since 2001. My website is very Familiar to most everyone here "I would assume" and its being redesigned for a January of February launch date. I'll be offering Epoxies, Abrasives, Safety Equipment, Laminating Tools, Chopper and Spray Guns, Adhesives, Partall mold release Products and More.. I just wanted to know what you all thought would be a good epoxies to offer on the new improved website. The ones I've considered, without getting into pouring off from drums is MAS, West, Raka and System 3. What do you guys think would be a good general purpose Epoxies for Canoes and Boat repair. I get a lot of people buying the plans elsewhere then buying the 60" cloth from my company. I have been sending my glass customers elsewhere for epoxies such as Raka. Now that I'll be offering epoxies to customer direct I want to make sure that I have proven product that will satisfy my existing customers and future ones. I want to make sure its a good reliable product. I'm leaning towards MAS because of the low Viscosity and their distributor pricing is more attractive and should be lower in price for the end user. Any Thoughts? Thanks for your help. Brian |
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Please elaborate on Industrial Formulators and East System.
Thank you. Ron Alexander wrote: Don't forget Industrial Formulators (the cold cure allows us Canuks to work year round) and East System (for finish coat) "Brian McCafferty" wrote in message .com... I guess I should have said I plan to offer Epoxies on my web site not Kits for Canoes. I have been selling fiberglass, Kevlar, and Polyester and other resins now in large and small quantities since 2001. My website is very Familiar to most everyone here "I would assume" and its being redesigned for a January of February launch date. I'll be offering Epoxies, Abrasives, Safety Equipment, Laminating Tools, Chopper and Spray Guns, Adhesives, Partall mold release Products and More.. I just wanted to know what you all thought would be a good epoxies to offer on the new improved website. The ones I've considered, without getting into pouring off from drums is MAS, West, Raka and System 3. What do you guys think would be a good general purpose Epoxies for Canoes and Boat repair. I get a lot of people buying the plans elsewhere then buying the 60" cloth from my company. I have been sending my glass customers elsewhere for epoxies such as Raka. Now that I'll be offering epoxies to customer direct I want to make sure that I have proven product that will satisfy my existing customers and future ones. I want to make sure its a good reliable product. I'm leaning towards MAS because of the low Viscosity and their distributor pricing is more attractive and should be lower in price for the end user. Any Thoughts? Thanks for your help. Brian |
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I have heard from several boat builders and from Noah's Marine
http://www.noahsmarine.com/ that the East System http://www.epoxytech.com/English-intro.htm is best for the final coat due to it's excellent self leveling properties and that Industrial Formulators http://www.indform.com/ is the best all around epoxy (especially famous in the Northern regions) See http://www.oneoceankayaks.com/Epoxyhtm/epox12m.htm for more opinions and some testing (not sure of test procedure or repeatability) Best practice would be to conduct your own tests for your application and keep testing annually as products can and do change often dramatically. HTH p.s. It looks like the rumour of System 3 buying IF is true. p.p.s Rumour has it that East is being bought by MAS but I have not "Courtney Thomas,,," wrote in message ... Please elaborate on Industrial Formulators and East System. Thank you. Ron Alexander wrote: Don't forget Industrial Formulators (the cold cure allows us Canuks to work year round) and East System (for finish coat) "Brian McCafferty" wrote in message .com... I guess I should have said I plan to offer Epoxies on my web site not Kits for Canoes. I have been selling fiberglass, Kevlar, and Polyester and other resins now in large and small quantities since 2001. My website is very Familiar to most everyone here "I would assume" and its being redesigned for a January of February launch date. I'll be offering Epoxies, Abrasives, Safety Equipment, Laminating Tools, Chopper and Spray Guns, Adhesives, Partall mold release Products and More.. I just wanted to know what you all thought would be a good epoxies to offer on the new improved website. The ones I've considered, without getting into pouring off from drums is MAS, West, Raka and System 3. What do you guys think would be a good general purpose Epoxies for Canoes and Boat repair. I get a lot of people buying the plans elsewhere then buying the 60" cloth from my company. I have been sending my glass customers elsewhere for epoxies such as Raka. Now that I'll be offering epoxies to customer direct I want to make sure that I have proven product that will satisfy my existing customers and future ones. I want to make sure its a good reliable product. I'm leaning towards MAS because of the low Viscosity and their distributor pricing is more attractive and should be lower in price for the end user. Any Thoughts? Thanks for your help. Brian |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:19:10 GMT, Brian Nystrom
wrote: When you send an email to a company with the topic of "quote please" then "second request quote please" ETC and your asking for a quote on a multi thousand dollar order you EXPECT a responce if I was talking about a request for 5$ worth of crud I wouldn't be quite soi ****ed about being blown off for the quote request Just to clarify.......... If you would please send me an overall quote and a seperated quote (per item) biaxial 45/45 12oz no matt tape 6" 510 yards woven tape 9oz 4" 50 yards biaxial 45/45 12 oz no matt fabric 50" 70 yards phenolic microballons 5lb wood flour: 20 lb 50/50 pine maple silica: 3 lb epoxy 30 gallons (kit total) TIA Rick The above was the quote request That's interesting, as everyone I know who's dealt with Raka has said that Larry is very helpful and responsive. I've heard nothing but good things about his products, too. Time Walker wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:24:42 -0500, "Brian McCafferty" wrote: Dont Bother even considering raka their support is for **** I sent them 5 emails for a price quote and got back exactly 0 replies This is a digital age if you put an email address on your website you better damn sure answer them or you will get NON-customers like me who will NEVER buy from you |
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Time Walker wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:24:42 -0500, "Brian McCafferty" wrote: Dont Bother even considering raka their support is for **** I sent them 5 emails for a price quote and got back exactly 0 replies This is a digital age if you put an email address on your website you better damn sure answer them or you will get NON-customers like me who will NEVER buy from you One of the reasons they are hard to get a hold of is they are probably out in the shop, actually using the goo they sell. Anyway, there have been times when even on the phone Larry has been short with me, and talking with them, I don't know that they spend a lot of time with computers. That all being said, I have many reasons why I have bought my goo exclusively from them for several years now. Scotty Rant mode on: I dont care what kind of business it is if you are not going to provide the service dont open the business even if your selling widgets if you can't answer your email dont offer it as an option Rant mode off Praise mode on One of the few places I have found lately that answers their email answers even the stupid questions of the newbies is Jacques of bateau.com .... he ships his plans out super fast sends out updates if required and in general is there for his customers!!!! praise mode off I'm looking for opinions on what is the best Epoxy for general boat repair and Cedar strip Canoe kits? I'm going to sell them on a website that has been in existence for over 2 years and I am expanding the product line. I won't mention the website because I don't want to spam this group or any other group for that mater. I'm just looking for help in offering what is best for the end user. I'm thinking of West Systems, MAS Epoxies, System 3 and RAKA Epoxies. Any help will be appreciated.. Thank you |
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"Backyard Renegade" wrote wrote: Dont Bother even considering raka their support is for **** I sent them 5 emails for a price quote and got back exactly 0 replies This is a digital age if you put an email address on your website you better damn sure answer them or you will get NON-customers like me who will NEVER buy from you One of the reasons they are hard to get a hold of is they are probably out in the shop, actually using the goo they sell. Anyway, there have been times when even on the phone Larry has been short with me, and talking with them, I don't know that they spend a lot of time with computers. That all being said, I have many reasons why I have bought my goo exclusively from them for several years now. Scotty But we can do it. We respond to our customers questions within a few hours, in writing, on our message board: http://66.70.13.66/phpBB2/index.php Technical support should be included in the price and written support, with pictures etc. is much better than phone calls. PS: we are moving our tech. support web site today and some pages are down but they will all re-appear before tomorrow. |
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