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Bruce Roberts
I am considering to build a Bruce Roberts 370 D.
I have read some pro´s and contra´s concerning his design. What is your opinion ? concerning the prices: My very personal opinion is that the cutting files for the 370 D (!) for about US$ 8 T are overpriced, as well as to buy the precut steel for about US$ 30 T, only the steel precut, not the complete steel caso. I have an offer from a (professional) shipyard which offers me to build the caso, based on the 370 D study plans, for less. What is your opinion about this ? Is this possible from the technical point of view ? Thanks, Fred |
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Bruce Roberts
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:12:21 +0100, GK wrote:
I am considering to build a Bruce Roberts 370 D. I have read some pro´s and contra´s concerning his design. What is your opinion ? concerning the prices: My very personal opinion is that the cutting files for the 370 D (!) for about US$ 8 T are overpriced, as well as to buy the precut steel for about US$ 30 T, only the steel precut, not the complete steel caso. I have an offer from a (professional) shipyard which offers me to build the caso, based on the 370 D study plans, for less. What is your opinion about this ? Is this possible from the technical point of view ? This might be heretical in a boat-building forum, but there are so many thousands of Bruce Roberts boats out there, ranging from utter crap to better than factory, that you could simply buy a hull and finish it and save a lot of months, or you could gut a crap interior on a good hull and do that. Now, as to whether you consider Bruce Roberts's designs to be decent, or capable of being executed in a seaworthy fashion, is another thing entirely. R. |
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Bruce Roberts
Gk,
What you want to do is illegal. The design is not public property. Buying a license to build is the honest correct method. If you are worried about the cost of Bruce's plans, you shouldn't be building a boat, because you are probably not prepared for the project cost. Please keep in mind the hull cost is only 10% of the total. Steve "GK" wrote in message ... I am considering to build a Bruce Roberts 370 D. I have read some pro´s and contra´s concerning his design. What is your opinion ? concerning the prices: My very personal opinion is that the cutting files for the 370 D (!) for about US$ 8 T are overpriced, as well as to buy the precut steel for about US$ 30 T, only the steel precut, not the complete steel caso. I have an offer from a (professional) shipyard which offers me to build the caso, based on the 370 D study plans, for less. What is your opinion about this ? Is this possible from the technical point of view ? Thanks, Fred |
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Bruce Roberts
Really... all the hull creates is the hole in the water into which you
pour... well, you get it. |
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Bruce Roberts
"Keith" wrote in message
oups.com... Really... all the hull creates is the hole in the water into which you pour... well, you get it. lol. The best description ever... It's like putting on your best suit, standing in the shower with cold water running, tearing up $100 bills, and chanting, "ain't we havin' fun?". Ed |
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Bruce Roberts
"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Gk, What you want to do is illegal. The design is not public property. Buying a license to build is the honest correct method. snip I understand your point, but if a builder is building from a set or study plans, they have to do so without any structual detail and is simply building a boat that looks similiar. My piont really.... The OP wouldn't end up with a Bruce Roberts, just a boat that looked similar, how diffent would it need to be before the builder could claim it was his own design? |
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Bruce Roberts
Nigel wrote:
"Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Gk, What you want to do is illegal. The design is not public property. Buying a license to build is the honest correct method. snip I understand your point, but if a builder is building from a set or study plans, they have to do so without any structual detail and is simply building a boat that looks similiar. My piont really.... The OP wouldn't end up with a Bruce Roberts, just a boat that looked similar, how diffent would it need to be before the builder could claim it was his own design? If you think it's ok to steal someone's work, then you are probably too stupid to design the structural detail properly. Criminals are, generally, deficient in their ability to reason, somehow. With no respect for others as a result of faulty social thinking, they demonstrate an inability to think correctly in other areas. This usually has to do with some shortcoming in the assemblage of certain other of their sentient organs. The only true salvation for these types is for them to realize their imperfection, and ask for inspiration to mend their ways. The Golden rule is all the guidance a reasonable person needs. Would you want your life's work stolen and abused, modified and destroyed, capitalized for profit, adulterated from a good design to one that kills, using your once respected name? The lines of a vessel are a compromise in engineering intended to balance strength, efficiency, capacity, durability, and looks. The equation is not a simple one. Would you want to wear a cheap, stolen design knock off life jacket, from inferior cheap materials using inferior cheap manufacture, to save a few bucks while you top dance for the sharks? How would you feel if it was your name stamped on such a Knakawf? If you really want to design a decent boat yourself, you need to take a bunch of courses in marine engineering. You will have to pay for those courses too, purchasing the knowlege for yourself from it's developers, unless you can reason it all out properly yourself. Stealing a "look" which you will undoubtedly want to sell as the original some day, sooner than later, if quality has to do with it, is shameful, a sin and a crime. Terry K |
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Bruce Roberts
"Terry Spragg" wrote in message ... Nigel wrote: "Steve Lusardi" wrote in message ... Gk, What you want to do is illegal. The design is not public property. Buying a license to build is the honest correct method. snip I understand your point, but if a builder is building from a set or study plans, they have to do so without any structual detail and is simply building a boat that looks similiar. My piont really.... The OP wouldn't end up with a Bruce Roberts, just a boat that looked similar, how diffent would it need to be before the builder could claim it was his own design? If you think it's ok to steal someone's work, then you are probably too stupid to design the structural detail properly. Why do you asume I think it's ok to steal someones work, perhaps your to stupid to read and comprehend Criminals are, generally, deficient in their ability to reason, somehow. With no respect for others as a result of faulty social thinking, they demonstrate an inability to think correctly in other areas. This usually has to do with some shortcoming in the assemblage of certain other of their sentient organs. The only true salvation for these types is for them to realize their imperfection, and ask for inspiration to mend their ways. The Golden rule is all the guidance a reasonable person needs. that would be your golden rule I guess, would you like to share it ? Would you want your life's work stolen and abused, modified and destroyed, capitalized for profit, adulterated from a good design to one that kills, using your once respected name? nop The lines of a vessel are a compromise in engineering intended to balance strength, efficiency, capacity, durability, and looks. The equation is not a simple one. Would you want to wear a cheap, stolen design knock off life jacket, from inferior cheap materials using inferior cheap manufacture, to save a few bucks while you top dance for the sharks? How would you feel if it was your name stamped on such a Knakawf? If you really want to design a decent boat yourself, you need to take a bunch of courses in marine engineering. You will have to pay for those courses too, purchasing the knowlege for yourself from it's developers, unless you can reason it all out properly yourself. Stealing a "look" which you will undoubtedly want to sell as the original some day, did I say that ?...well never mind Terry, best not let the facts stand in the way of a good rant ay.. sooner than later, if quality has to do with it, is shameful, a sin and a crime. Terry K So just for the record.... how different does a design need to be before the builder can claim it as their own design, but it if you prefer to reply to some other question you feel better fits your intellect, feel free |
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Bruce Roberts
If you think it's ok to steal someone's work, then you are probably too stupid to design the structural detail properly. Criminals are, generally, deficient in their ability to reason, somehow. With no respect for others as a result of faulty social thinking, they demonstrate an inability to think correctly in other areas. This usually has to do with some shortcoming in the assemblage of certain other of their sentient organs. The only true salvation for these types is for them to realize their imperfection, and ask for inspiration to mend their ways. The Golden rule is all the guidance a reasonable person needs. Would you want your life's work stolen and abused, modified and destroyed, capitalized for profit, adulterated from a good design to one that kills, using your once respected name? The lines of a vessel are a compromise in engineering intended to balance strength, efficiency, capacity, durability, and looks. The equation is not a simple one. Would you want to wear a cheap, stolen design knock off life jacket, from inferior cheap materials using inferior cheap manufacture, to save a few bucks while you top dance for the sharks? How would you feel if it was your name stamped on such a Knakawf? If you really want to design a decent boat yourself, you need to take a bunch of courses in marine engineering. You will have to pay for those courses too, purchasing the knowlege for yourself from it's developers, unless you can reason it all out properly yourself. Stealing a "look" which you will undoubtedly want to sell as the original some day, sooner than later, if quality has to do with it, is shameful, a sin and a crime. Terry K Terry,,, when someone buys a set of plans for a Roberts boat. Is there anything wrong with building more than one boat with the same set of plans? I got to thinking ?? So, say three people split the cost of one set of plans and start building three boats. Is that wrong? I have never built a boat. Are the plans like big paper that you lie on a board and then mark the board and cut the board? In other words,,,, are the plans a template? I just wonder what exactly plans look like? If you know, please post ... curious |
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Bruce Roberts
The sets of plans that I've bought all state that they include a license "to
build one boat." Building three boats would be theft of two licenses. It's more like buying an airplane ticket than buying a book. Roger http://home.insightbb.com/~derbyrm "Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message news:uDhmf.28$1b.21@trndny03... If you think it's ok to steal someone's work, then you are probably too stupid to design the structural detail properly. Criminals are, generally, deficient in their ability to reason, somehow. With no respect for others as a result of faulty social thinking, they demonstrate an inability to think correctly in other areas. This usually has to do with some shortcoming in the assemblage of certain other of their sentient organs. The only true salvation for these types is for them to realize their imperfection, and ask for inspiration to mend their ways. The Golden rule is all the guidance a reasonable person needs. Would you want your life's work stolen and abused, modified and destroyed, capitalized for profit, adulterated from a good design to one that kills, using your once respected name? The lines of a vessel are a compromise in engineering intended to balance strength, efficiency, capacity, durability, and looks. The equation is not a simple one. Would you want to wear a cheap, stolen design knock off life jacket, from inferior cheap materials using inferior cheap manufacture, to save a few bucks while you top dance for the sharks? How would you feel if it was your name stamped on such a Knakawf? If you really want to design a decent boat yourself, you need to take a bunch of courses in marine engineering. You will have to pay for those courses too, purchasing the knowlege for yourself from it's developers, unless you can reason it all out properly yourself. Stealing a "look" which you will undoubtedly want to sell as the original some day, sooner than later, if quality has to do with it, is shameful, a sin and a crime. Terry K Terry,,, when someone buys a set of plans for a Roberts boat. Is there anything wrong with building more than one boat with the same set of plans? I got to thinking ?? So, say three people split the cost of one set of plans and start building three boats. Is that wrong? I have never built a boat. Are the plans like big paper that you lie on a board and then mark the board and cut the board? In other words,,,, are the plans a template? I just wonder what exactly plans look like? If you know, please post ... curious |
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