Looks like it might be suited to clandesine activities.

Antonio wrote:

I'm an individual firm which has developed and patent a method that
permits to built boats that can be dismantled, still not present on
the international market. This Technique permits in 10 minutes to get,
starting from a structure with small dimensions ( as big as an
overnight bag), a rigid boat. We are searching for firms interested in
buying the patent or in the collaboration to develop the idea. To see
on of the application of the technique you can visit the
www.natanti-smontabili.it .

Bob Medico wrote:
Looks like it might be suited to clandesine activities.

Antonio wrote:

I'm an individual firm which has developed and patent a method that
permits to built boats that can be dismantled, still not present on
the international market. This Technique permits in 10 minutes to
get,
starting from a structure with small dimensions ( as big as an
overnight bag), a rigid boat. We are searching for firms interested
in
buying the patent or in the collaboration to develop the idea. To
see
on of the application of the technique you can visit the
www.natanti-smontabili.it .

This proof that "not so great minds" sometimes think alike. I gave a
lot of thought to a similar boat to solve the "Dinghy Problem" of
sailboats in the 26-32' range that are too small to easily carry a full
size dinghy and do not want to carry an inflateable.
I considered using fiberglas poles through sleeves in the fabric along
the gunnels. The poles would come to a point at the bow and insert in
a rigid block. Rigid transom, semi-rigid bottom with a fiberglas pole
running along the bottom. I considered shaping the bottom fiberglas
pole to nest like tent poles to make a skeg so it would track well.
Rigid thwarts to hold it apart.
The prototype he shows is a start but it really needs a seat, a skeg,
etc.
Not terribly original but with a little work it might make a good
tender for sailboats. I reccomend he do a little more work on it, make
a beta unit incorporating necessary changes. Take it to sailboat shows
like the St. Petersburg, FL show in Sept. Rent a booth, do
demonstrations, sell a few to pay for the booth, learn a lot. Go home,
make improvements, go to another show...

Good Luck

David OHara

I really do like the idea to solve the "Dinghy Problem". I wonder if
the material he uses incorporates floatation in the material? Maybe he
could incorporate floatation in a seat. It really needs some tough
material for pulling it up onto oyster bars but inflateables have this
so maybe his is tough enough. He should be able to demonstrate
patching the material for when you run it into an oyster covered
piling.
Maybe use an inflateable skeg? Lots of possibilities.
I doubt it has much use as a boat by itself, but as a tender for
sailboats, it really does.
How difficult would it be to translate the site into English?

Bob Medico wrote:
Looks like it might be suited to clandesine activities.

Antonio wrote:

I'm an individual firm which has developed and patent a method that
permits to built boats that can be dismantled, still not present on
the international market. This Technique permits in 10 minutes to
get,
starting from a structure with small dimensions ( as big as an
overnight bag), a rigid boat. We are searching for firms interested
in
buying the patent or in the collaboration to develop the idea. To
see
on of the application of the technique you can visit the
www.natanti-smontabili.it .


My day is ruined now. After seeing this I'll spend all my time
thinking about it instead of what I should be doing.
Compare his concept to other folding boats.
Porta-Boat is a good and well done concept but is still too unwieldy to
assemble on the deck of a small sailboat. When folded, it is too long
to store anywhere on my 28' boat except against the lifelines where it
would produce too much windage.
Nesting Dinghys are another concept and I actually built the Two-Paw 9
to see if it would work well for me. It is "ok" but has many problems.
It is lightweight but is still unwieldy to assemble. For storage, it
sits on my foredeck and covers my foreward hatch. It is also a problem
to see over when steering while sitting.
Inflateables you can forget, they dont row worth anything and rowing is
a necessity for me.
Inflateable kayaks might work but have too little capacity to be
useful.
Other folding boats I have seen are all too long when folded.

The ideal dinghy would be:
Lightweight for hoisting out of the water.
Would carry 3 people
would have floatation
would row well ( I mean for at least 1 Km)
Easy to assemble
would store in a small volume (1m X 1m X .33 m)

With some work, his boat might fit this need.

David OHara

David wrote:
My day is ruined now.

I know the feeling!

I think the market for this might be NOT as a primary dinghy for cruisers,
but for day-sailing. Who wants to drag a dinghy around
"just-in-case-we-want-to-stop-at-that-nice-beach" or
"because-the-YC-launch-stops-at-7" ? How about power-boaters?


The ideal dinghy would be:
Lightweight for hoisting out of the water.
OK, fabric and lightweight poles. As soon as you go to Hypalon or whatever,
weight and bulk go way up.

Would carry 3 people
How about 2? Not ideal, but useful

would have floatation
Air tubes/sponsons - no bulk or weight, double as fenders, design in so as
to add stability. Klepper sponsons are used to "firm up" the hull, after
the frame is inserted loosely

would row well ( I mean for at least 1 Km)
Yup - if it could row REALLY well, this whole concept would be a winner,
regardless of other vices. I think if you discard the motor mount, you can
create something nice.

Easy to assemble
Yup

would store in a small volume (1m X 1m X .33 m)
Or 72" x 18" x 4" (berth sized) - with a bottom panel this big, could have
a light 10' x4' double-chined hull

To these requirements, I'll add - beachable, and easy to patch!

Hmmm - next step is research, to find all the similar offerings over the
years - identify technical and marketing issues with each... then
prototypes with cheap fabric (blue tarp, anyone?) and tent poles...

Could be a fun project!

Sal's Dad

On 10 Mar 2005 07:21:19 -0800, wrote:


Bob Medico wrote:
Looks like it might be suited to clandesine activities.

Antonio wrote:

I'm an individual firm which has developed and patent a method that
permits to built boats that can be dismantled, still not present on
the international market. This Technique permits in 10 minutes to
get,
starting from a structure with small dimensions ( as big as an
overnight bag), a rigid boat. We are searching for firms interested
in
buying the patent or in the collaboration to develop the idea. To
see
on of the application of the technique you can visit the
www.natanti-smontabili.it .


My day is ruined now. After seeing this I'll spend all my time
thinking about it instead of what I should be doing.
Compare his concept to other folding boats.
Porta-Boat is a good and well done concept but is still too unwieldy to
assemble on the deck of a small sailboat. When folded, it is too long
to store anywhere on my 28' boat except against the lifelines where it
would produce too much windage.
Nesting Dinghys are another concept and I actually built the Two-Paw 9
to see if it would work well for me. It is "ok" but has many problems.
It is lightweight but is still unwieldy to assemble. For storage, it
sits on my foredeck and covers my foreward hatch. It is also a problem
to see over when steering while sitting.
Inflateables you can forget, they dont row worth anything and rowing is
a necessity for me.
Inflateable kayaks might work but have too little capacity to be
useful.
Other folding boats I have seen are all too long when folded.

The ideal dinghy would be:
Lightweight for hoisting out of the water.
Would carry 3 people
would have floatation
would row well ( I mean for at least 1 Km)
Easy to assemble
would store in a small volume (1m X 1m X .33 m)

I guess for completeness I should add our folding pram. It was made in
England and imported by a guy in Annapolis DBI Britannia Boats. I
haven't seen him at a boat show in some years, so I expect he went out
of business. We bought it in 1996 at the January boat show.

It is a normal-looking pram, 8' 6" long, with fabric hinges at the
chines, removable transoms and thwarts, and a piece to facilitate
outboard mounting. It also has a daggerboard trunk that could be
opened and used with a sail rig.

The two of us can get it on and off the boat assembled, and we unfold
and fold it across the cabin top. we stow it in a quarter berth, not
on deck.

We have used it with a 2 hp Yamaha, but we now row it. It rows as well
as any 8'6" pram. I can easily row it more than 1 km.

We don't use the dinghy every time we anchor, but it isn't a big deal
to get it out if we want it. We have had it for

Rodney Myrvaagnes Opinionated old geezer

Brutal dictators are routinely reelected by 90+%
margins. Only in a truly advanced democracy can
one win an election by a negative 600,000 votes.

Tank you to all for now.
I have need of an industry for productions. You know ?

by

Antonio