I'm in the process of trying to decide what to build next.

Requirements:

Sail: Would prefer an unstayed mast, or a mast with simple standing
rigging. Gaff or Bermuda. Ketch/Yawl acceptable.

Length: 14-16 ft LOA, would like pretty close to that on the waterline.

Beam: 5 ft-ish

Draught: 18-24" to keel or retracted centerboard

Displacement: 1400 lb range at DWL - closer to 1000 lb lightweight for
towing

Simple cabin: sitting room with space for a little table or like /
sleeping bag or bunk

Cockpit: sized for 2 adults (3 if cozy)

Usage: large inland lakes / waterways / stays up to 2-3 days.

What I've found so far:

Bolger Micro - I've been looking at these for years... aside from the
looks - I don't like the free flooding end sections, and I don't like
the completely flat aspects. *slap* *slap*

Weekender - nicer looking boat - but doesn't seem as seaworthy as the
micro.

Macnaughton Farthing - A little heavy and a little too much draught. I
also don't like the bubble and internal cockpit. I very much like the
general hull profile.

Macnaughton Silver Gull 19 - two to three feet too long. Just a tad
too big... now if there was a 16 ft blend of this and the farthing...

Bateau AD14 - right qualities, but the design doesn't fit my fancy.

Dix Cape Cutter 19 - nice looking boat once again, but a smidge too
long.


Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

Hi

Check the Cyber-Boat 5 meter ;

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-...ngboat-5meter/

There are plans in the files section full-scale easyest boat to build
the framework is cut in plywood and you don't bend one single frame the
unfolded panels fit exact you could decide to route in a keel spline do
the framework in Aluminium and the panels in ply do a scale model and
know that if you maneage that the full-size is as easy as the model is
the same ribs and panels just smaller and thinner, get experience and
make sure you don't waste time and money but get exactly what you want
a fancy and safe boat.

Per Corell

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't quite fit my requirements.

If I go up a notch in size, that also brings into play the Oughtred Eun
Mara... which, along with the Grey Seal, has to be one of the most
aesthetically mindblowing craft I've seen plans for. I'm a big fan of
the traditional look! Though I suspect that despite it's 18 or 19 foot
length - the Eun Mara is a solid notch up when it comes to
displacement, cost, launching hassle, etc.

You have an interesting problem. I'm the author of the piece in
WoodenBoat last summer about the Birdwatcher, longer than you like but
lighter (800 lbs) and awfully easy to trailer, launch and retrieve, and
tremendous fun to use. Good sailer too. You don't like the looks or the
slap, no doubt. Sam Devlin's Nancy's China or Wren? A Sabot? Do you get
Boat Design Quarterly? You'd find good ideas in back issues--boats by
Paul Gartside, for instance. Good luck. Mason Smith

I haven't seen the Oughtred desin you mention but what you'll find in
Gartside's designs is very strong traditional style. You might likd
him. Mason

Mason,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I like the looks of the Nancy's China - I'm considering ordering a set
of plans to peruse. A little light in the displacement department
though.

I checked out Paul Gartside. I was unfamiliar with his work. I very
much like the looks of a number of his designs, but once again the
lines fail me under 20 feet.

I'm a WoodenBoat subscriber, but hadn't subscribed to Boat Design
Quarterly. I believe I'll do so.

I'll have to play with some numbers and see if I'm looking for a set of
mutually exclusive criteria.

My guiding thought for the day : "What if Colin Archer had designed the
Micro?"

Do you have checked here?
http://www.bluelightning.co.uk/
http://www.whisstock.com/
http://www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz/proje...outh/index.htm

Paolo

Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

Take a look at the Hartley Trailo\er Sailer
designe. I'm planning on the 18' one.

http://www.hartley-boats.com/

Frank

From the sign on the wall of a Program Office somewhe "In every project,
there comes a time to shoot the designer and go into production."

I'd suggest a slightly different approach. Find out what type of boat is
being sailed locally and buy a used one. The opportunity to race (or cruise
as a group which is the same thing) will improve your sailing immensely and
treble your fun.

The Yahoo Bolger group has discussed the slapping issue (to death) and there
is a fix.

Roger

http://derbyrm.mystarband.net/default.htm

wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm in the process of trying to decide what to build next.
Requirements:
Sail: Would prefer an unstayed mast, or a mast with simple
standing rigging. Gaff or Bermuda. Ketch/Yawl acceptable.
Length: 14-16 ft LOA, would like pretty close to that on the
waterline.
Beam: 5 ft-ish
Draught: 18-24" to keel or retracted centerboard
Displacement: 1400 lb range at DWL - closer to 1000 lb
lightweight for towing
Simple cabin: sitting room with space for a little table or like /
sleeping bag or bunk
Cockpit: sized for 2 adults (3 if cozy)
Usage: large inland lakes / waterways / stays up to 2-3 days.
What I've found so far:
Bolger Micro - I've been looking at these for years... aside from
the looks - I don't like the free flooding end sections, and I don't
like the completely flat aspects. *slap* *slap*

Weekender - nicer looking boat - but doesn't seem as seaworthy
as the micro.

Macnaughton Farthing - A little heavy and a little too much draught.
I also don't like the bubble and internal cockpit. I very much like the
general hull profile.

Macnaughton Silver Gull 19 - two to three feet too long. Just a tad
too big... now if there was a 16 ft blend of this and the farthing...

Bateau AD14 - right qualities, but the design doesn't fit my fancy.

Dix Cape Cutter 19 - nice looking boat once again, but a smidge too
long.

Given my rough requirements and comments on these other designs - can
anyone recommend a design or designer that I missed? I'm considering
shifting my window up a few feet to include the 18/19 ft range. Seems
to expand my possibilities a bit.

Thanks!

"Roger Derby" ) writes:

The Yahoo Bolger group has discussed the slapping issue (to death) and there
is a fix.

1. turn up the music
2. wear ear phones or if you don't like music, earplugs
3. the problem decreases with age, your ear's not the boat's

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