Morgan Ohlson wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:41:59 +0200, Jelle wrote:

Morgan Ohlson wrote:

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But, if making The Big effort to design and buid a dinghy I will not let
it be bad in any sense since it would be a waist of time and money.

Versatile, balanced, stable, reliable, roomy...
...wich doesn't seem to outrule a fast under waterline-body.

2 x 40kg pivoting centerboards (for low D)
water ballast
outboard well
at the weight of maximum 70Kgs (empty 17½' x 6½ hull).

...some luxeries wich naturally will slow the vesell down, but not more
then nesessary.

From the beginning I thought of some skegs wich are now outruled. Only
true foiles under WL!!!

Thos 70 kg's will not get you much boat.

**** off, please!

Usenet is not a nice place, but no need for you to make it more friendly.
You seem to forget that I spent time to answer your questions with some of
my experience, and asking nothing in return. Please accept that people on
usenet will seem/act a bit belingerent, just as we accept you acting like a
prick...

This kind of person is only around here to convinse me and you (other
builders) that we never should try to do any boat that wouldn't be
profitable for standard manufacturing.

Right. But where did i tell you to use standard manufacturing techniques? If
you have the skill to succesfully make a carbon/glass epoxy boat: fine go
ahead, and let us know of your successes. Most novice boatbuilders have
more luck with plywood, because it is relatively light and easy to work
with.

The truth is that we can build boats far better compared to standard
factory modells. They blow their ****ing glass strands at random in a
mould... and talk about what is good and not. The fact is that the open
camping cruiser I'm on to would cost probably 10.000$ if built
profesionally at my spec's.

So? Manufacturing boats is a though job? manual labour is expensive? As a
(former?) aircraft engineer, you must be used to getting a heafty hourly
wage. Now factor in normal overhead expenses and the like, what would your
boat cost?

I have met this kind of dooms day priests at some other forum before...
and they are only in it to bragg and to disincourage anyone trying to beat
them pro's. In one forum a person who claimed to be a pro stated that it
was impossible to build liter in GRP compared to plywood...

I am no pro, don't claim to be anything other an amateur. If you can make a
Glass reinforced boat that is lighter than a plywood boat of the same
strenght: go right ahead. Myself I will not try that route, not because I
don't believe your claim, but because you need to build a mould first, and
possibly need other vacuum kit as well. It is just too messy. I don't think
it is worth that much effort.

The book that you have not read by John Teal list GPR just a small rung
above building in steel, and I have a tendency to believe him more than
you.

They have the idea that all hombuild always must look like a home built
from a kilometer or two.

I can think for myself, and hopefully so can you. But you don't need to
imagine your ideas in my head, that only makes life more difficult.

Plywood is a good material, but everything else pro's like to keep for
themselves....

I would venture that more epoxy is sold to homebuilders than to professional
boatbuilders. (as pro's would go for cheaper polyester resins)

Arrrghhhh.....
Now I will take hot bath to relax from the pessimist salesman.

Greetings to all you serious home designers and builders.


Morgan O.
Former engineer in the aircraft industry.
And a lot of hands on experience with GPR in that industry I presume?

--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

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