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Ducatti air-cooled diesel
Does anyone have any information at all about the single cylinder
air-cooled diesels? The only reference I can find is an old posting from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds ominous. |
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Ducati is a division of Fiat.
'nuf said. The only reference I can find is an old posting from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds ominous. |
There's a Ducati motorbike dealership near me that seems to specialize in high-end racer-type machines. I had no clue they made air-cooled diesels, the last one of which I heard of in a private yacht being the Lister, I believe, and you rarely see them, although I believe they were reliable "big iron", like Ford Lehman and Perkins.. I would imagine the spares make Volvo look like Perkins G R. On 30 Aug 2004 03:26:21 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: Ducati is a division of Fiat. 'nuf said. The only reference I can find is an old posting from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds ominous. |
Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
but many of those negatives can be overcome. Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down on the noise Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation in even a small enclosed engine compartment. My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e. you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair parts. I would suggest the following engine: http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/prod...5&productid=40 The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work). They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to whatever trani you have been able to find. Let us know how it works out for you David S/V Nausicaa |
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:01:45 -0400, rhys wrote:
There's a Ducati motorbike dealership near me that seems to specialize in high-end racer-type machines. I had no clue they made air-cooled diesels, the last one of which I heard of in a private yacht being the Lister, I believe, and you rarely see them, although I believe they were reliable "big iron", like Ford Lehman and Perkins.. The dude schooner Shenandoah, out of Vineyard Haven MA, uses a Lister Diesel each morning to hose the pine decks with salt water, charge the batteries, and wake the passengers. It is very effective in the third task. I don't think a dead passenger would be impervious. :-) Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC We have achieved faith-based science, faith-based economics, faith-based law enforcement, and faith-based missile defense. What's next? Faith-based air traffic control? |
"dbraun" wrote in message alkaboutboats.com...
Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats, but many of those negatives can be overcome. Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down on the noise Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation in even a small enclosed engine compartment. My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e. you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair parts. I would suggest the following engine: http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/prod...5&productid=40 The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work). They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to whatever trani you have been able to find. Let us know how it works out for you David S/V Nausicaa To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. |
To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of Fiat. 'nuf said. |
To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. Well,.... you might want to check that before jumping in, it's not that simple. Ducati Motorcycles, who also make small industrial engines is Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. They are a significant part of the Aprilia Group, which includes Aprilla, Moto Guzzi, etc. The Aprilia group until very recently where majority owned by Agnelli. Agnelli also owns 30% of Fiat. Fiat own Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and Ferrari. Fiat are linked to Ducati as much as Ford is to Aston Martin,Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda and Hertz etc. |
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Not to be picky, but if I read your description correctly, it sounds like
the Fiat/Ducati link is (or was?) more akin to the Aston/Jag link. But thanks for the info; I hadn't been keeping up with these builders of interesting automobiles. "Jeff" wrote in message ... To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. Well,.... you might want to check that before jumping in, it's not that simple. Ducati Motorcycles, who also make small industrial engines is Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. They are a significant part of the Aprilia Group, which includes Aprilla, Moto Guzzi, etc. The Aprilia group until very recently where majority owned by Agnelli. Agnelli also owns 30% of Fiat. Fiat own Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and Ferrari. Fiat are linked to Ducati as much as Ford is to Aston Martin,Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda and Hertz etc. |
johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are
required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently? also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an automobile for its money. The FTC won the suit. To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of Fiat. 'nuf said. And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put American cars to complete shame. |
johnny, did you know that Ducati built the base engine for the Farymann marine
engine conversions? Did you know that most people with a Farymann installed change it out because they get sick and tired of fixing it again and again and again ? From: (Silverton 31') Date: 8/31/2004 2:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: (JAXAshby) wrote in message ... To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of Fiat. 'nuf said. And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put American cars to complete shame. |
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well, that is NOT what Fiat of American said.
but, who are they to know? johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently? Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982 to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it a fire extinguisher. also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an automobile for its money. The FTC won the suit. According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising? Different animal.. To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of Fiat. 'nuf said. And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put American cars to complete shame. |
mikey, what "automobiles" -- besides Fiats -- catch fire in the Europen
Economic Union? Understand that Fiat is NOT sold in the US of A, and can not be sold in the US of A. johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently? Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982 to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it a fire extinguisher. also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an automobile for its money. The FTC won the suit. According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising? Different animal.. To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati. I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of Fiat. 'nuf said. And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put American cars to complete shame. |
"JAXAshby" ha scritto nel messaggio ... johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently? You try to sell bull****! I am in Italy, I am born in Italy, I drive in Italy from 1970. I don't have a fire estinguisher in my car... Isn't mandatory nor sold as original equipment. Newer been. Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you? The true is that you don't know anything about Italy, Italian industry and European laws, but, because noone knows, you try to sell your bull****. After this you are the next guest of my killfile... Paolo from Pisa, Italy P.S. Ducati never been part of Fiat... But who cares? Ducati (only one t) don't produce, sell or promote marine engines, Ducati as produced, after the WW2, only a small outboard and only for a short period. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 16/08/2004 |
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?
yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire. One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to help the young women put out the fire. It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car". |
Mike wrote:
(JAXAshby) wrote in : Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982 to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it a fire extinguisher. this is not true. No fire extinguisher is required on new cars anywhere in the EEC. |
Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you? yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire. One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to help the young women put out the fire. It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car". |
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher
in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family there, don't try to make up your own laws.. Sincerely An Italian Native |
Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed sardine-packed in july? Definitively you must see in winter! :-) traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. ....and noone have the exitguisher! believe me! :-) The mandatory "safety" pack includes: spare weel, spare bulbs and fuses, warning triangle, one reflective jacket to be put on at night in case of on the road repairs. No first aid kit nor fire extinguisher This at least in Italy, there are still differences between european countries. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. Fiat have one agreement with GM. This can mean that there is also one "no iterference" agreement about marketing... The safety and pollution rules are really stringent also in europe now, leaded gas is no longer sold, car are safety and pollution checked every two year and car aged 10 year or more are so stringently checked that is more convenient to destroy it in place of paying a lot of expensive repairs. Paolo |
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ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.
one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a stop light. you are welcome to check the court records if you wish. From: "Paolo Zini" Date: 9/2/2004 1:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed sardine-packed in july? Definitively you must see in winter! :-) traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. ...and noone have the exitguisher! believe me! :-) The mandatory "safety" pack includes: spare weel, spare bulbs and fuses, warning triangle, one reflective jacket to be put on at night in case of on the road repairs. No first aid kit nor fire extinguisher This at least in Italy, there are still differences between european countries. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. Fiat have one agreement with GM. This can mean that there is also one "no iterference" agreement about marketing... The safety and pollution rules are really stringent also in europe now, leaded gas is no longer sold, car are safety and pollution checked every two year and car aged 10 year or more are so stringently checked that is more convenient to destroy it in place of paying a lot of expensive repairs. Paolo |
They are in Italy. check it out.
From: matti lid Date: 9/2/2004 9:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Mike wrote: (JAXAshby) wrote in : Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982 to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it a fire extinguisher. this is not true. No fire extinguisher is required on new cars anywhere in the EEC. |
check it out, dum-dum. every last car in Italy is required to carry a fire
extinguisher. Fiat owners feel that is reasonable. From: (Silverton 31') Date: 9/2/2004 12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family there, don't try to make up your own laws.. Sincerely An Italian Native |
JAX-
I've done a Google search for the word sets: Fiat FTC suitability and Fiat "fire extinguisher" and not found anything more than racers who like (rightly) fire extinguishers. Can you give us a little help. JAXAshby wrote: check it out, dum-dum. every last car in Italy is required to carry a fire extinguisher. Fiat owners feel that is reasonable. From: (Silverton 31') Date: 9/2/2004 12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family there, don't try to make up your own laws.. Sincerely An Italian Native |
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I've done a Google search for the word sets: Fiat FTC suitability and Fiat "fire extinguisher" and not found anything more than racers who like (rightly) fire extinguishers. Can you give us a little help. Don't feed the trolls please! You can search also all the trial against Fiat... This guy live in a different universe... or is a troll. Only to return to one OT that is more close to the original subject: The italian newspaper this morning talk about a "battle" between Ducati and Piaggio to control Aprilia. Piaggio is controlled by Fiat, and Aprilia was supposed to be the Intermediate controller between Fiat and Ducati... Paolo |
LOL, p.c. ford drives a fiat!!!
From: P.C. Ford Date: 9/3/2004 1:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 03 Sep 2004 03:42:01 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers. one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a stop light. Folk, Jax is off his meds again. Looks like he's heading for a meltdown this time! |
try fiat of america, give them a call and ask why they don't sell anything but
parts, and since when. they are/were in NJ. JAX- I've done a Google search for the word sets: Fiat FTC suitability and Fiat "fire extinguisher" and not found anything more than racers who like (rightly) fire extinguishers. Can you give us a little help. JAXAshby wrote: check it out, dum-dum. every last car in Italy is required to carry a fire extinguisher. Fiat owners feel that is reasonable. From: (Silverton 31') Date: 9/2/2004 12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family there, don't try to make up your own laws.. Sincerely An Italian Native |
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:36:17 -0700, P.C. Ford
wrote: On 03 Sep 2004 03:42:01 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers. one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a stop light. Folk, Jax is off his meds again. Looks like he's heading for a meltdown this time! Let's hope he's isn't required to carry an extinguisher. |
Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness,
but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars: http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however. (If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia. They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which JAX is king.) "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles. check the court records if you are so inclinded. From: "auerbach" Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you? yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire. One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to help the young women put out the fire. It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car". |
the FTC successfully sued Fiat to stop them from fraudulantly selling their
product as "automobiles", for when a consumer buys something advertised as an "automobile" that have a right to expect to get an "automobile" and Fiat product was NOT an automobile by any reasonable standard. The courts agreed, and sales of Fiat "automobiles" in the USA ended. you can check the court records, if you wish. From: "auerbach" Date: 9/3/2004 7:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness, but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars: http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however. (If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia. They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which JAX is king.) "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles. check the court records if you are so inclinded. From: "auerbach" Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you? yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire. One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to help the young women put out the fire. It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car". |
Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither
required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long, really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-) JAX, start taking your meds PLEASE... Pirate_Dave -- In article , auerbach wrote: Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness, but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars: http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however. (If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia. They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which JAX is king.) "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles. check the court records if you are so inclinded. From: "auerbach" Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you? yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire. One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to help the young women put out the fire. It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car". |
1945 to 1947. Wake up, dave.
From: Dave Cannell Date: 9/7/2004 11:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long, really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-) JAX, start taking your meds PLEASE... Pirate_Dave -- In article , auerbach wrote: Oh good grief, I don't know why we get sucked into this kind of silliness, but for what it's worth, here's a recap of safety findings on Fiats, which with a click of a mouse can be compared to other cars: http://www.safecarguide.com/mak/fiat/idx.htm Not surprisingly, there are good and poor models of Fiats, as there are of BMWs, Chevys, etc. No indication that they spontaneously combust, however. (If you really want to get scared, take a look at Hyundai, Renault and Kia. They make the Fiat look like an Abrams tank. I bet those drivers have to carry two fire extinguishers when they enter the region of Italy of which JAX is king.) "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles. check the court records if you are so inclinded. From: "auerbach" Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars and scooters. Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you? yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on fire. One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand -- to help the young women put out the fire. It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade Commission has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the consumer has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car) and Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car". |
Dave Cannell wrote in message ...
Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long, really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-) You need a pre-'99 2-dr Geo Tracker/Suzuki Sidekick convertible - fits this descr, also typically has 4WD & will go (stock) where many bigger modded trucks with 35" tires won't. Most were built in CDN, & I don't think the Canucks all carry extinquishers either. ;-) BTW your earlier work with EG as an antifungal & preservative has saved me more time, trouble & money than anything else I ever read on the internet. |
lbrty4us,
Sorry, wrong Dave CANNELL, you're probably thinking of Dave Carnell 8-) Don't worry, not the first time... Pirate_Dave -- In article , wrote: Dave Cannell wrote in message ... Jeez, I drove a Renault Twingo for 3 years in Sicily and was neither required to carry a fire extingisher nor needed one. Loved it, wish I could get one here, it would be well on these roads. And at 3.5 M long, really cute, would carry 4 people or two and SCUBA gear 8-) You need a pre-'99 2-dr Geo Tracker/Suzuki Sidekick convertible - fits this descr, also typically has 4WD & will go (stock) where many bigger modded trucks with 35" tires won't. Most were built in CDN, & I don't think the Canucks all carry extinquishers either. ;-) BTW your earlier work with EG as an antifungal & preservative has saved me more time, trouble & money than anything else I ever read on the internet. |
As the originator of this thread, when it was actually about Ducati
single cylinder air-cooled diesel engines - allow me to thank the many contributors, especially the one (the only one) who mentioned Ducati single cylinder air cooled diesels (like the one in my shed at this very moment)- apparently there is no such beast, and never was. Thanks all - Mike P |
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