LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher
in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family
there, don't try to make up your own laws..

Sincerely
An Italian Native

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed

sardine-packed in july? Definitively you must see in winter! :-)

traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

....and noone have the exitguisher! believe me! :-)
The mandatory "safety" pack includes:
spare weel,
spare bulbs and fuses,
warning triangle,
one reflective jacket to be put on at night in case of on the road repairs.
No first aid kit nor fire extinguisher

This at least in Italy, there are still differences between european
countries.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

Fiat have one agreement with GM. This can mean that there is also one "no
iterference" agreement about marketing...

The safety and pollution rules are really stringent also in europe now,
leaded gas is no longer sold, car are safety and pollution checked every two
year and car aged 10 year or more are so stringently checked that is more
convenient to destroy it in place of paying a lot of expensive repairs.


Paolo

On 2 Sep 2004 09:20:37 -0700, (Silverton 31')
wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher
in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family
there, don't try to make up your own laws..

Sincerely
An Italian Native
====================================

JAXASH has had his own version of reality for many years now. My
advice? Don't feed the trolls, they get fat on it.

nope. the FTC sue'd and stopped ALL import of ALL Fiats for sale, and did so
with the undeniable claim that Fiat were not in fact automobibles.

check the court records if you are so inclinded.

From: "auerbach"
Date: 9/2/2004 12:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed
traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?

yes. I was there for four days on a business trip and saw five Fiats on
fire.
One caught fire as I walking by within 15 feet of it, and AT LEAST eight
motorists jumped out of their cars -- with fire extinguishers in hand --
to
help the young women put out the fire.

It is illegal to sell Fiats in the USA, because the Federal Trade
Commission
has rules that when someone sells a product here (such as a car) the
consumer
has a reasonable expectation of receiving such a product (such as a car)
and
Fiat makes no product that can be called a "car".

ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.

one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile
and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the
truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a
stop light.

you are welcome to check the court records if you wish.

From: "Paolo Zini"
Date: 9/2/2004 1:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


Remind me not to travel with JAX. I was in Rome for a couple of weeks in
July, during killingly hot weather, and remarkably enough, not a single
vehicle burst into flames. Good thing, too; in Rome's sardine-packed

sardine-packed in july? Definitively you must see in winter! :-)

traffic, the flames would have spread to dozens or hundreds of micro-cars
and scooters.

...and noone have the exitguisher! believe me! :-)
The mandatory "safety" pack includes:
spare weel,
spare bulbs and fuses,
warning triangle,
one reflective jacket to be put on at night in case of on the road repairs.
No first aid kit nor fire extinguisher

This at least in Italy, there are still differences between european
countries.

Given the presence in the USA of Subaru, Hyundai, etc., and the departure
of
Peugeot and other labels, I suspect Fiat's absence from US car showrooms
may
have more to do with the cost of marketing and of meeting highway safety
and
pollution control measures than the FTC's opinion of the vehicle.

Fiat have one agreement with GM. This can mean that there is also one "no
iterference" agreement about marketing...

The safety and pollution rules are really stringent also in europe now,
leaded gas is no longer sold, car are safety and pollution checked every two
year and car aged 10 year or more are so stringently checked that is more
convenient to destroy it in place of paying a lot of expensive repairs.


Paolo

They are in Italy. check it out.

From: matti lid
Date: 9/2/2004 9:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Mike wrote:

(JAXAshby) wrote in
:


Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
a fire extinguisher.

this is not true. No fire extinguisher is required on new cars anywhere in
the EEC.

check it out, dum-dum. every last car in Italy is required to carry a fire
extinguisher. Fiat owners feel that is reasonable.

From: (Silverton 31')
Date: 9/2/2004 12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher
in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family
there, don't try to make up your own laws..

Sincerely
An Italian Native

JAX-
I've done a Google search for the word sets:
Fiat FTC suitability and
Fiat "fire extinguisher"
and not found anything more than racers who like (rightly) fire extinguishers.
Can you give us a little help.



JAXAshby wrote:

check it out, dum-dum. every last car in Italy is required to carry a fire
extinguisher. Fiat owners feel that is reasonable.

From: (Silverton 31')
Date: 9/2/2004 12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! There is no law in italy to carry a fire extinguisher
in automobiles, i lived in italy for 12 years and still have family
there, don't try to make up your own laws..

Sincerely
An Italian Native

On 03 Sep 2004 03:42:01 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

ALL auto's in Italy are **required** to carry fire extinguishers.

one of the points the US FTC made in its claim that Fiats were not automobile
and thus could not be sold -- to this day -- in the USA as automobiles is the
truely alarming frequency with whic their junk could fire, even waiting at a
stop light.

Folk, Jax is off his meds again.

Looks like he's heading for a meltdown this time!

I've done a Google search for the word sets:
Fiat FTC suitability and
Fiat "fire extinguisher"
and not found anything more than racers who like (rightly) fire
extinguishers.
Can you give us a little help.

Don't feed the trolls please!
You can search also all the trial against Fiat...
This guy live in a different universe... or is a troll.

Only to return to one OT that is more close to the original subject:
The italian newspaper this morning talk about a "battle" between Ducati and
Piaggio to control Aprilia.
Piaggio is controlled by Fiat, and Aprilia was supposed to be the
Intermediate controller between Fiat and Ducati...

Paolo