You are sailing directly downwind in a racer/cruiser,
with a full main set in 25 knots of wind, with gusts
to 34 knots, and want to set a #3 Jib wing and wing
on a spinnaker pole. The wind has been building
and is expected to peak at 35 knots and the waves
are building also. Your goal is to get the boat surfing
with an inexperienced crew. You don't want to set a
spinnaker because you plan to use it for racing the
next few weeks and can't risk damaging it.

General Question:
What are the steps you would take to set the #3 jib?

Specific Questions:

1) How would you securing the spinnaker pole in position?

2) How you would set the #3 jib once the pole is up?

3) What special techniques would you use rig it?

[3 points]

Bonus: 1 point for the best answer.

"Bart" wrote in message
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You are sailing directly downwind in a racer/cruiser,
with a full main set in 25 knots of wind, with gusts
to 34 knots, and want to set a #3 Jib wing and wing
on a spinnaker pole. The wind has been building
and is expected to peak at 35 knots and the waves
are building also. Your goal is to get the boat surfing
with an inexperienced crew. You don't want to set a
spinnaker because you plan to use it for racing the
next few weeks and can't risk damaging it.

General Question:
What are the steps you would take to set the #3 jib?

Specific Questions:

1) How would you securing the spinnaker pole in position?

2) How you would set the #3 jib once the pole is up?

3) What special techniques would you use rig it?

[3 points]

Bonus: 1 point for the best answer.



C'mon here. you have an inexperienced crew. Get the boat surfing in those
conditions?-that is ridiculous.
Do you really want to risk a MOB situation in such conditions?
So what are you going to do?

Option 1. Send the inexperienced crew onto the foredeck in a strong wind.
Option 2. Go on the foredeck yourself and leave the inexperienced crew to
man the cockpit
Option 3. Forget the whole idea and ease off to a broad reach instead with
you remaining in charge in the cockpit and nobody going forward.

Stick to option 3 unless you like being sued for negligence

On Oct 15, 11:13*am, Bart wrote:
You are sailing directly downwind in a racer/cruiser,
with a full main set in 25 knots of wind, with gusts
to 34 knots, and want to set a #3 Jib wing and wing
on a spinnaker pole. *The wind has been building
and is expected to peak at 35 knots and the waves
are building also. *Your goal is to get the boat surfing
with an inexperienced crew. *You don't want to set a
spinnaker because you plan to use it for racing the
next few weeks and can't risk damaging it.


I have only one spinnaker? I'd set the "chicken chute" if I had one.
If not, I'd reef the main and set a bigger jib for better steering
stability. I'd also give strong consideration to setting the jib on
the same side as the main, without poling out the sheet, and heading
up to a broad reach for better VMG.


General Question:
What are the steps you would take to set the #3 jib?


Again, depends on the circumstances. Are we in traffic, do we have
some freedom of course to pick, can we reach up for a short while? If
yes, hoist the sail in the lee of the main. If constrained in course
to BBW, I'd muzzle it on the foredeck, pull the weather sheet taut &
run thru the pole, then make sure it clears the lifeline & pulpit as
it goes up. Time consuming and potentially a big snarl.

Specific Questions:

1) How would you securing the spinnaker pole in position?


Same as always, sheet thru pole-end, "make" lift & foreguy, set the
pole up and "make" to mast ring while the trimmer adjusts the lift &
foreguy. Depending on the crew, the boat (length of pole, tendency to
nose-dive, etc) I'd consider putting the pole-end on the clew rather
than let the sheet run, but then you have to to raise & "make" the
pole with the sail set. That can be quicker & more secure but it takes
timing & confidence in crew work.


2) How you would set the #3 jib once the pole is up?


Bring the tack of the sail up and secure it to the stem-head. Bring
the rest of the sail up, keeping it securely muzzled (ie bundled or
flaked with crew carefully keeping it from blowing free); run the luff
to make sure it isn't twisted (here's a big advantage in having the
sail flaked properly) and put the halyard on, then hoist while
ensuring it doesn't get caught under the pulpit or lifelines. If it's
a hank-on, put on the hanks from tack to head before putting on the
halyard. Note- make sure the crew knows to NOT let the halyard fly
free at all costs!

3) What special techniques would you use rig it?


Maybe hauling in the lazy sheet to keep the clew & leach aft as the
sail goes up. If I had a good bowman, he'd make that call based on how
likely it would be the sail would go foul of anything during the
hoist.

One of the nice things about boats with good performance is that they
are easier to steer (generally) and going faster takes a lot of load
off the rig & sails going downwind in a blow. If you're going 15
knots, 25 knot winds become 10. This type of boat also rewards
reaching rather than going DDW too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Oct 15, 12:08*pm, "Edgar" wrote:
"Bart" wrote in message

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You are sailing directly downwind in a racer/cruiser,
with a full main set in 25 knots of wind, with gusts
to 34 knots, and want to set a #3 Jib wing and wing
on a spinnaker pole. *The wind has been building
and is expected to peak at 35 knots and the waves
are building also. *Your goal is to get the boat surfing
with an inexperienced crew. *You don't want to set a
spinnaker because you plan to use it for racing the
next few weeks and can't risk damaging it.

General Question:
What are the steps you would take to set the #3 jib?

Specific Questions:

1) How would you securing the spinnaker pole in position?

2) How you would set the #3 jib once the pole is up?

3) What special techniques would you use rig it?

[3 points]

Bonus: 1 point for the best answer.

C'mon here. you have an inexperienced crew. Get the boat surfing in those
conditions?-that is ridiculous.
Do you really want to risk a MOB situation in such conditions?
So what are you going to do?

Option 1. Send the inexperienced crew onto the foredeck in a strong wind.
Option 2. Go on the foredeck yourself and leave the inexperienced crew to
man the cockpit
Option 3. Forget the whole idea and ease off to a broad reach instead with
you remaining in charge in the cockpit and nobody going forward.

Stick to option 3 unless you like being sued for negligence

Three lashes for being a wimp. Surfing is the most fun you
can have on a boat. Any opportunity to surf is to be pursued
to the maximum.

On Oct 15, 2:52*pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:13*am, Bart wrote:

You are sailing directly downwind in a racer/cruiser,
with a full main set in 25 knots of wind, with gusts
to 34 knots, and want to set a #3 Jib wing and wing
on a spinnaker pole. *The wind has been building
and is expected to peak at 35 knots and the waves
are building also. *Your goal is to get the boat surfing
with an inexperienced crew. *You don't want to set a
spinnaker because you plan to use it for racing the
next few weeks and can't risk damaging it.

I have only one spinnaker? I'd set the "chicken chute" if I had one.
If not, I'd reef the main and set a bigger jib for better steering
stability. I'd also give strong consideration to setting the jib on
the same side as the main, without poling out the sheet, and heading
up to a broad reach for better VMG.

I agree on the chute, but perhaps you are saving it for the
race next week?

General Question:
What are the steps you would take to set the #3 jib?

Again, depends on the circumstances. Are we in traffic, do we have
some freedom of course to pick, can we reach up for a short while? *If
yes, hoist the sail in the lee of the main. If constrained in course
to BBW, I'd muzzle it on the foredeck, pull the weather sheet taut &
run thru the pole, then make sure it clears the lifeline & pulpit as
it goes up. Time consuming and potentially a big snarl.

No traffic was mentioned. I don't see why you would have to reach
up unless to make the boat more stable for crew working forward.
More than likely it would not be necessary.

Specific Questions:

1) How would you securing the spinnaker pole in position?

Same as always, sheet thru pole-end, "make" lift & foreguy, set the
pole up and "make" to mast ring while the trimmer adjusts the lift &
foreguy. Depending on the crew, the boat (length of pole, tendency to
nose-dive, etc) I'd consider putting the pole-end on the clew rather
than let the sheet run, but then you have to to raise & "make" the
pole with the sail set. That can be quicker & more secure but it takes
timing & confidence in crew work.

2) How you would set the #3 jib once the pole is up?

Bring the tack of the sail up and secure it to the stem-head. Bring
the rest of the sail up, keeping it securely muzzled (ie bundled or
flaked with crew carefully keeping it from blowing free); run the luff
to make sure it isn't twisted (here's a big advantage in having the
sail flaked properly) and put the halyard on, then hoist while
ensuring it doesn't get caught under the pulpit or lifelines. If it's
a hank-on, put on the hanks from tack to head before putting on the
halyard. Note- make sure the crew knows to NOT let the halyard fly
free at all costs!

3) What special techniques would you use rig it?

*Maybe hauling in the lazy sheet to keep the clew & leach aft as the
sail goes up. If I had a good bowman, he'd make that call based on how
likely it would be the sail would go foul of anything during the
hoist.

One of the nice things about boats with good performance is that they
are easier to steer (generally) and going faster takes a lot of load
off the rig & sails going downwind in a blow. If you're going 15
knots, 25 knot winds become 10. This type of boat also rewards
reaching rather than going DDW too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Good answer Doug. I'll give you 3 points for that. But there is a
neat trick for setting the sail you missed.

What I was looking for, for the bonus point is the use of a
snatch block in this situation. Envision a tweaker lead to
the chuck of a spinnaker pole and a lib sheet lead through
the sheave on the snatch block.

So you hoist the jib in the lee of the main, that makes sense
right? Now you want to get it over to the weather side. How
do you do that? The answer is to lead the spinnaker afterguy
though the spinnaker pole and tied to the shackle of a snatch
block.

You then lead the weather jib sheet inside the snatch block on
the after guy. It is a simple matter to bring the jib over to the
weather side. Winch it over as you ease the leeward jib sheet.
It is all very controlled. Isn't that cool?

Just because snatch blocks have shackles doesn't mean you
have to make off the shackle to a pad-eye or toe-rail. The are
handy made off with a line to the shackle that, in this case, for
example, can be lead to the end of a spinnaker pole with a couple
of inches of slack to prevent it from banging around. It is far
better than simply leading to the end of a spinnaker pole, with
all it's friction. The down side it, a really big Genoa is often
times
too big for your spinnaker pole. A smaller sail might work more
effectively depending on conditions.

I am a big fan of snatch blocks for changing jib lead angle. I
have two big snatch blocks, one huge and one large and keep
the large one in my sea bag--I use it all the time, often
wishing I'd brought the huge one--which is more versatile, but
heavier and I try to travel light.

I'd like to get a couple more snatch blocks.

A couple of Harken snatch blocks (their biggest) have been on
my list for several years. It is easier to get a deal on a winch
than a snatch block, because these are highly sought after
pieces of deck gear.

The big ones I own a a bit hard to pop the tab off to open--it is a
two
hand job. I bid on the Harken snatch blocks often and I always get
outbid on them because of the high demand. Unfortunately the
Port Supply prices on these things are steep too. It is hard to
justify new one when I have two big ones already.

What else. I've used these for reducing chafe on dock lines.
Bigger is better in this case. Snatch block works great for
bridles too.

This is an example of a Harken snatch block. But this particular
one is not big enough. I want their biggest model, but any of these
are handy to have on a boat. More is better in this case. I have
two big ones and like them so much I feel having a third is a very
good idea.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_2614wt _0

One more thing. With this configuration. The pole is locked into
place before the sail is put on it. And the pole remains locked into
place when the sail is taken down, or if it is necessary to switch
it to the leeward side.