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My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
Well, here I am with a 4 year old son and he's simply awesome! But long sails just don't work for us these days and we mainly daysail and weekend aboard Heart of Gold. We've decided to try some real cruising when Thomas turns 6 or 7 and to that end we've been looking at many boats, used and new. Before that purchase we're going to spend a month or so sailing in Greece aboard our friend's Tayana 42. At that point....drum roll please! I'll start a serious hunt for a Corbin 39 Aft Cabin. I "met" the Corbin 39 recently and fell in love. The boat sails well, looks great and has the character I love associated with pilot house sailboats. For now we'll continue to enjoy our Beneteau, but we're very excited about doing some local cruising and then trying out some longer trips on the Corbin. We'll start with the Beneteau....and continue with the Corbin. For those of you not familiar with the Corbin 39, it looks like this.... http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photo...ap54917-vi.jpg These are not heavy boats as some cruising boats are and she sails well in light air. She is over-rigged according to some, but we'll be coastal and that will suit us well most of the time. Cheers, RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
On Oct 7, 8:00 am, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:29:19 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob" wrote: Well, here I am with a 4 year old son and he's simply awesome! But long sails just don't work for us these days and we mainly daysail and weekend aboard Heart of Gold. We've decided to try some real cruising when Thomas turns 6 or 7 and to that end we've been looking at many boats, used and new. Before that purchase we're going to spend a month or so sailing in Greece aboard our friend's Tayana 42. At that point....drum roll please! I'll start a serious hunt for a Corbin 39 Aft Cabin. I "met" the Corbin 39 recently and fell in love. The boat sails well, looks great and has the character I love associated with pilot house sailboats. For now we'll continue to enjoy our Beneteau, but we're very excited about doing some local cruising and then trying out some longer trips on the Corbin. We'll start with the Beneteau....and continue with the Corbin. For those of you not familiar with the Corbin 39, it looks like this.... http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photo...ap54917-vi.jpg These are not heavy boats as some cruising boats are and she sails well in light air. She is over-rigged according to some, but we'll be coastal and that will suit us well most of the time. Cheers, RB Check your email. I did and thanks for the pics. I may look into her, but I think we'll seek out a vessel with a recent refit. The Corbin is not a common boat, especially in aft cabin guise. Years ago I fell in love with the Fisher 37 and Gulf 32, but those are seriously undercanvassed motorsailors. The Corbin, while over my original target of 35-36 feet LOA, really appears to be the right boat. Thanks again, RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... Well, here I am with a 4 year old son and he's simply awesome! But long sails just don't work for us these days and we mainly daysail and weekend aboard Heart of Gold. We've decided to try some real cruising when Thomas turns 6 or 7 and to that end we've been looking at many boats, used and new. Before that purchase we're going to spend a month or so sailing in Greece aboard our friend's Tayana 42. At that point....drum roll please! I'll start a serious hunt for a Corbin 39 Aft Cabin. I "met" the Corbin 39 recently and fell in love. The boat sails well, looks great and has the character I love associated with pilot house sailboats. For now we'll continue to enjoy our Beneteau, but we're very excited about doing some local cruising and then trying out some longer trips on the Corbin. We'll start with the Beneteau....and continue with the Corbin. For those of you not familiar with the Corbin 39, it looks like this.... http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photo...ap54917-vi.jpg Good grief! Haven't you learned anything from the shameful demise of the Red Cloud? Pilot house sailboats are downright unseaworthy but at least Joe's looked halfway decent. That Corbin looks terrible with the Darth Vader style pilot house sticking out way up high like an ugly pimple that needs popping! Get a clue, dude! Even Old Thom's ugly Gulf 32 pilot house sailboat didn't look bad compared to that ugly duckling Corbin. Wilbur Hubbard. |
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On 7 Oct, 01:29, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Well, here I am with a 4 year old son and he's simply awesome! But long sails just don't work for us these days I've been away! Did I miss something? Has Bob been on a long sail? and we mainly daysail and weekend aboard Heart of Gold. We've decided to try some real cruising when Thomas turns 6 or 7 and to that end we've been looking at many boats, used and new. Before that purchase we're going to spend a month or so sailing in Greece aboard our friend's Tayana 42. The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably be good for you. BTW, what part of Greece will you be sailing in. I'm going sailing there next May..... on a (you guessed it!) 43 footer. At that point....drum roll please! I'll start a serious hunt for a Corbin 39 Aft Cabin. I "met" the Corbin 39 recently and fell in love. The boat sails well, looks great and has the character I love associated with pilot house sailboats. For now we'll continue to enjoy our Beneteau, but we're very excited about doing some local cruising and then trying out some longer trips on the Corbin. We'll start with the Beneteau....and continue with the Corbin. For those of you not familiar with the Corbin 39, it looks like this.... http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photo...ap54917-vi.jpg These are not heavy boats as some cruising boats are and she sails well in light air. She is over-rigged according to some, but we'll be coastal and that will suit us well most of the time. I wonder why you think that a Corbin 39 would be more suitable than Heart of Gold for coastal cruising?? I'm sure that your existing boat would be much better for a young family. Kids want fun, and it is very important that you give them a "job" to do. This is easier on a responsive boat. Regards Donal -- |
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I wonder why you think that a Corbin 39 would be more suitable than Heart of Gold for coastal cruising?? The reason you wonder that is because you've never spent a rainy week on a boat, nor do you comprehend how a boat like the Corbin is far superior underway in air above 15 knots, nor do you understand that the Corbin is a different boat altogether. The 35s5 or your fun little toy are great boats. I like them a lot, but they simply don't do everything well. RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
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My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably
be good for you. We had great food in Greece on three separate trips. Try spending some money next time. RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:29:19 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote: Well, here I am with a 4 year old son and he's simply awesome! But long sails just don't work for us these days and we mainly daysail and weekend aboard Heart of Gold. We've decided to try some real cruising when Thomas turns 6 or 7 and to that end we've been looking at many boats, used and new. Before that purchase we're going to spend a month or so sailing in Greece aboard our friend's Tayana 42. At that point....drum roll please! I'll start a serious hunt for a Corbin 39 Aft Cabin. I "met" the Corbin 39 recently and fell in love. The boat sails well, looks great and has the character I love associated with pilot house sailboats. For now we'll continue to enjoy our Beneteau, but we're very excited about doing some local cruising and then trying out some longer trips on the Corbin. We'll start with the Beneteau....and continue with the Corbin. For those of you not familiar with the Corbin 39, it looks like this.... http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photo...ap54917-vi.jpg These are not heavy boats as some cruising boats are and she sails well in light air. She is over-rigged according to some, but we'll be coastal and that will suit us well most of the time. Cheers, RB Cool! What's that superstructure on the stern? Is that a davit or where you coil the thousand foot extension cord? |
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Frank Boettcher wrote:
For those of you not familiar with the Corbin 39, it looks like this.... http://images20.fotki.com/v385/photo...ap54917-vi.jpg These are not heavy boats as some cruising boats are and she sails well in light air. She is over-rigged according to some, but we'll be coastal and that will suit us well most of the time. Cheers, RB Cool! What's that superstructure on the stern? Is that a davit or where you coil the thousand foot extension cord? Thousand feet? Bit of overkill for Bob don't you think, one hundred tops! Cheers Martin |
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On 7 Oct, 22:49, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:53:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably be good for you. What no roast beef and yorkshire pud? How can you not like fresh vegetables,fish and olive oil? I enjoy eating abroad. The problem with Greece is that it is the same vegetables and fish every day. The only meat in most places is goat, and I cannot stand the smell of it. Or did you go to a tourist town where they cater .. badly, to tourists with replicas of food that the tourist would eat at home? Soggy fish and chips and pizza with 1" thick base? It was a sailing holiday. We ate in small local restaurants near the harbours. The food in Turkey is a bit better, and has the advantage that the people who work in restaurants know how to smile. Regards Donal -- |
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On 7 Oct, 22:49, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably be good for you. We had great food in Greece on three separate trips. Try spending some money next time. You don't have much choice in the smaller harbours! In fact, you don't have any choice. The menu is the same in almost all the restaurants. Regards Donal -- |
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On 7 Oct, 22:48, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
I wonder why you think that a Corbin 39 would be more suitable than Heart of Gold for coastal cruising?? The reason you wonder that is because you've never spent a rainy week on a boat, nor do you comprehend how a boat like the Corbin is far superior underway in air above 15 knots, nor do you understand that the Corbin is a different boat altogether. The 35s5 or your fun little toy are great boats. I like them a lot, but they simply don't do everything well. Quite right! My boat wouldn't be perfect for a transatlantic crossing in hurricane season. However, you don't want a boat that is so slow that you cannot be bothered to attempt longer trips. Regards Donal -- |
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On Oct 8, 7:15 am, wrote:
On 7 Oct, 22:48, "Capt. Rob" wrote: I wonder why you think that a Corbin 39 would be more suitable than Heart of Gold for coastal cruising?? The reason you wonder that is because you've never spent a rainy week on a boat, nor do you comprehend how a boat like the Corbin is far superior underway in air above 15 knots, nor do you understand that the Corbin is a different boat altogether. The 35s5 or your fun little toy are great boats. I like them a lot, but they simply don't do everything well. Quite right! My boat wouldn't be perfect for a transatlantic crossing in hurricane season. However, you don't want a boat that is so slow that you cannot be bothered to attempt longer trips. Regards Donal -- Our boats are also far from perfect in colder weather or in the rain or in heavy air. I love my 35s5 for her ability to respond and accelerate, but that's something we can always enjoy aboard other boats. The Corbin 39 is not slow and is a much better platform if you're staying aboard for more than a weekend. This season I spent considerable time sailing heavier designs and learned to appreciate what they're all about. As an owner of a first series Beneteau I have nothing bad to say about them. Yesterday I took heart of Gold out in 12-14 knots. I was alone so I just put up the big kevlar bat-wing main. She sailed great and I had a nice relaxing time with the boat moving well. The Corbin could NOT do this of course, but that's not what she was built to do either. Last week I went out in a Cape Dory 33 in 25-30 knots. Sure, I could sail my 35s5 in those conditions, but it would be hectic at times and I'd be reefed to the bone. The CD33 barely noticed with a single reef and the staysail. RB RB |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote:
We had great food in Greece on three separate trips. Evidence suggests that you really don't have much of a discriminating palate .... Try spending some money next time. I didn't realize it was possible to travel to Greece for free One thing I love about the Internet, learn something every day! DSK |
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The food in Greece is awful. * A month there will probably be good for you. OzOne wrote: What no roast beef and yorkshire pud? How can you not like fresh vegetables,fish and olive oil? Gets a little monotonous after a while. Plus, the Med is a cesspool. I personally would not care to eat fish from it. wrote: I enjoy eating abroad. *The problem with Greece is that it is the same vegetables and fish every day. *The only meat in most places is goat, and I cannot stand the smell of it. Careful there... in all Med cultures, insinuating that person eats goat is a deadly insult. Of course, the climate and land is such that goats are about the only livestock that can thrive there, so pretty much everybody is a goat- eater. Hope it's safe to say that from this distance! Or did you go to a tourist town where they cater .. badly, to tourists with replicas of food that the tourist would eat at home? Soggy fish and chips and pizza with 1" thick base? The best pizza I've ever had was in northern Greece. Also, the best C&W band I've ever heard was in a poinky bar outside Athens (Lifadah). It was a sailing holiday. * We ate in small local restaurants near the harbours. The food in Turkey is a bit better, and has the advantage that the people who work in restaurants know how to smile. Did you go to the compound? DSK |
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Of course the hilarious thing is that LIS is the last place you'd want a boat that's "far superior underway in air above 15 knots." Dave, you must not sail on the sound much at all. In addition to losing all of your money, you continue to expose yourself. Today is a nice quiet day on the LIS and quite near to me is execution rocks. http://www.mysound.uconn.edu/exrx_wx.html At this moment it's 9-11 knots, ideal for my 35s5, but still very sailable for a boat like the Corbin 39. Usually by 3:00 it kicks up and lately we've had days that were better for heavier boats. That said, the Corbin's rig is reasonable and just fine for sailing these waters. The Pilot House will also open up more weekend sails for us. RB |
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On Oct 8, 12:09*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:50:28 -0400, said: Not really true, Dave. LIS is actually one of the places of highest average *wind on the east coast. A couple months in the middle of summer are somewhat quiet, but go sailing in the "off season", as some folks do, *and you'll be surprised at what you find. I have a few friends who keep their boats in all winter. T Average wind is, of *course, significant if you are going to sail year round. Most of us don't, however, and I'd be surprised if BS intends to. The prime sailing months on the Sound tend to have fairly light winds. In fact, I was going to suggest in the earlier message that a boat with characteristics more like your C&C 27 with its generous sail area would probably be a better choice. I can only go by the actual sailing I do. A lot of it is on the weekends. A friend here has a Cape Dory 30. There are plenty of days suited for his boat. When winds are light he can still sail, though slowly. When winds are heavy my 35s5 is often not a great pick if I can go out on a heavier boat, Next we have a CC Endevour with a custom pilothouse. The advantages for the Corbin are pretty broad. RB |
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On 8 Oct, 13:11, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Oct 8, 7:15 am, wrote: On 7 Oct, 22:48, "Capt. Rob" wrote: I wonder why you think that a Corbin 39 would be more suitable than Heart of Gold for coastal cruising?? The reason you wonder that is because you've never spent a rainy week on a boat, nor do you comprehend how a boat like the Corbin is far superior underway in air above 15 knots, nor do you understand that the Corbin is a different boat altogether. The 35s5 or your fun little toy are great boats. I like them a lot, but they simply don't do everything well. Quite right! My boat wouldn't be perfect for a transatlantic crossing in hurricane season. However, you don't want a boat that is so slow that you cannot be bothered to attempt longer trips. Regards Donal -- Our boats are also far from perfect in colder weather or in the rain or in heavy air. I love my 35s5 for her ability to respond and accelerate, but that's something we can always enjoy aboard other boats. The Corbin 39 is not slow and is a much better platform if you're staying aboard for more than a weekend. This season I spent considerable time sailing heavier designs and learned to appreciate what they're all about. As an owner of a first series Beneteau I have nothing bad to say about them. Yesterday I took heart of Gold out in 12-14 knots. I was alone so I just put up the big kevlar bat-wing main. She sailed great and I had a nice relaxing time with the boat moving well. The Corbin could NOT do this of course, but that's not what she was built to do either. Last week I went out in a Cape Dory 33 in 25-30 knots. Sure, I could sail my 35s5 in those conditions, but it would be hectic at times and I'd be reefed to the bone. The CD33 barely noticed with a single reef and the staysail. I don't disagree with what you have written. However, a business acquaintance has recently sold his Halberg Rassey and replaced it with a Janneau. Both boats were about 42 feet. When I expressed my surprise, he explained the the Rassey had been perfect for his transAtlantic crossing, but he really couldn't be bothered spending 17 hours crossing the channell. (12- 13 hours in a Janneau). Last year I was seriously considering a Malo. It would have been very luxurious, and very comfortable. I really, really wanted a Malo. However, I now realise that I wouldn't have used it as much as I use Setanta. It would have been far too slow for seroius use in the English Channel. It would have been capable of short(3 hour) trips, or long ( 3 day trips). In between, it would have been worse than useless. regards Donal -- |
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OzOne wrote:
We had good Oz beef regularly... Good Oz beef, contradiction in terms, Or did you go to a tourist town where they cater .. badly, to tourists with replicas of food that the tourist would eat at home? Soggy fish and chips and pizza with 1" thick base? It was a sailing holiday. We ate in small local restaurants near the harbours. Yep, there are quite a few, and usually very good. The food in Turkey is a bit better, and has the advantage that the people who work in restaurants know how to smile. They smile at Australians :-) Greeks do that when they are amused. Cheers Martin |
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:32:43 -0400, Marty wrote:
OzOne wrote: We had good Oz beef regularly... Good Oz beef, contradiction in terms, Obviously you jest. Or did you go to a tourist town where they cater .. badly, to tourists with replicas of food that the tourist would eat at home? Soggy fish and chips and pizza with 1" thick base? It was a sailing holiday. We ate in small local restaurants near the harbours. Yep, there are quite a few, and usually very good. The food in Turkey is a bit better, and has the advantage that the people who work in restaurants know how to smile. They smile at Australians :-) Greeks do that when they are amused. Yes indeed, they enjoy our company... Cheers Martin OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. |
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On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL................. I sailed one this summer, SLOWco. Have you ever sailed one? Hmmmmm? RB |
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On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL................. BTW, Sloco.....We had a Depressed 30 at our docks for a few weeks. Nice owners, which was a surprise. They bought the boat as a stop-gap, which I found hilarious. The boat is quick, but on a reach my 35s5 passed them as did my friend's 30/30. They then added better sails from UK and the boat STILL couldn't keep up with us. Not exactly shocking since my boat is larger and with my shallow draft they could point slightly higher, though not as good as the 30/30. The interior is awful, quite depressed as the name suggests. But why buy one when a J30 offers a far nicer interior and more hulls to play with? The 30/30 is both faster and FAR better looking. Of course my boat is faster and about 100 times better looking and nicer to be aboard. Not matter. I heard you finally bought a nice boat and sold the depress 30 at last. Good for you! What did you buy? RB |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote: Corbin ................................ LOL................. Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every few years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires. Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for the task at hand. Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc. without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like insights into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people here would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more useful and interesting. I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it. |
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On 9 Oct, 18:53, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote: Corbin ................................ LOL................. Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every few years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires. Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for the task at hand. Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc. without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like insights into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people here would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more useful and interesting. I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it. Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience. RB sails within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I can see, races single class boats. Doug, seems to be a racer of "20 something" foot yachts. Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat. JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of us. My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately, I seem to have made the right choice. All of us will give advice that we think will help *you* to make the right choice. Unfortunately, my "right choice" may not be your "right choice". As I see it, you have two choices. 1) Go for your ultimate boat! 2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn about your real requirements. My advice is to take choice 2). However, when I bought my boat I took option 1). It worked for me. I think that it all depends on how confident you feel about your ability to define your own ultimate yacht. Regards Donal -- |
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I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to separate the BS from BS. I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for losing portlights in bad conditions. wrote in message ... On 9 Oct, 18:53, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote: Corbin ................................ LOL................. Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every few years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires. Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for the task at hand. Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc. without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like insights into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people here would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more useful and interesting. I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it. Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience. RB sails within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I can see, races single class boats. Doug, seems to be a racer of "20 something" foot yachts. Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat. JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of us. My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately, I seem to have made the right choice. All of us will give advice that we think will help *you* to make the right choice. Unfortunately, my "right choice" may not be your "right choice". As I see it, you have two choices. 1) Go for your ultimate boat! 2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn about your real requirements. My advice is to take choice 2). However, when I bought my boat I took option 1). It worked for me. I think that it all depends on how confident you feel about your ability to define your own ultimate yacht. Regards Donal -- -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to separate the BS from BS. I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for losing portlights in bad conditions. The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high latitudes with them. |
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wrote in message
... On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to separate the BS from BS. I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for losing portlights in bad conditions. The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high latitudes with them. Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to separate the BS from BS. I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for losing portlights in bad conditions. The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high latitudes with them. Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises. It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it, because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport once a year, and day trips the rest of the time. |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to separate the BS from BS. I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for losing portlights in bad conditions. The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high latitudes with them. Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises. It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it, because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport once a year, and day trips the rest of the time. Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of their labor. With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance. The Corbin IS high on my list. RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
Capt. Rob wrote:
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of their labor. Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!! Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up. Cheers Martin |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote: On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote: It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it, because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport once a year, and day trips the rest of the time. Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of their labor. With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance. The Corbin IS high on my list. RB Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact, it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39. Will you also being trading in your "big" EVO for a tri-axle dump truck? LOL |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
On Oct 9, 8:10 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote: loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of their labor. Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!! Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up. Cheers Martin Martin, you really can't act like an adult, even for a moment, can you? RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact, it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39 35 foot is big for DAYAILING, which was the point of the comment. Read it again. And on the LIS sound, sailboats average 30 feet, which is ideal. The Corbin is certainly not large below decks unless you buy the aft cabin version and even that is nowhere near a Catalina or Beneteau sized interior. RB |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
Capt. Rob wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:10 pm, Marty wrote: Capt. Rob wrote: loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of their labor. Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!! Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up. Cheers Martin Martin, you really can't act like an adult, even for a moment, can you? Not a problem, when in the presence of same. Cheers Martin |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
"jlrogers±³©" wrote:
I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge to discuss boats intelligently. *It is a shame there isn't more of it. Now he wants intelligent discussion! Oops, too late!! Well, at least some of us aren't obsessed with yakking endlessly about the new toys daddy bought for us. DSK |
My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
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Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience. Sure we can... or at least, I can and it looks like a few others do it very enthusastically. .... RB sails within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I can see, races single class boats. Looks to me like Oz has raced a lot of different class boats, done some ocean racing (IIRC he's done the Sydney-Hobart) and cruisers in various parts of the world. AFAIK he talks (posts) about it with enough accurate detail that he's not BSing. ....Doug, seems to be a racer of "20 something" foot yachts. No, I've raced a lot of smaller ones.... once in a while a bigger one. And I've definitely spent more time underway cruising or daysailing than racing, but it's not as interesting to talk about IMHO. Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat. JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of us. And Bart has quite a bit more yet. My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately, I seem to have made the right choice. Maybe you have a knack for it? As I see it, you have two choices. 1) Go for your ultimate boat! 2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn about your real requirements. My advice is to take choice 2). Not sure I get what you're saying. Don't buy the boat you really really want, that will do the tasks you really want to undertake? That sounds like the safest course to me, rather than buying something smaller & cheaper & less suitable, just to gain experience... at a large cost in dollars & time! I'm not old enough to buy an "ultimate" boat, I've always picked out boats that would suit what I wanted to do... and were suitable for the places I lived & sailed at the time. For example, my current ride was largely chosen for the benefit of being kept on a trailer, out of the water; with the concurrent benefit of shoal draft. There really wasn't anything like I *really* wanted on the market, although a bunch of boats came closer... now I'm thinking about either building a custom sportboat (which is insane) or buying a Flying Tiger 7.5 (when they finally get here). We're also keeping the tugboat for cruising, so we don't need a sailboat to answer that need. Which makes it easy! However, when I bought my boat I took option 1). It worked for me. I think that it all depends on how confident you feel about your ability to define your own ultimate yacht. Agreed. I'm puzzled why you don't think anybody else can pick option 1 as well. "Capt. JG" wrote: I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. And it's good advice... also a good way to pick up a 'feel' for the charactistics of different types of boats. It's not clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to separate the BS from BS. It's all one mass, IMHO I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for losing portlights in bad conditions. It all depends. Mast & rigging cause more windage than a pilothouse. With good construction & modern materials, big ports can be as strong as any other part of the hull or superstructure. A bigger factor IMHO is handling, deck layout for all the tasks cruisers have to do including access to/from the water (or dinghy), and how really comfortable the boat will be away from it's support base. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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