My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
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On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:


It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.




Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use
our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big
Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other
hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat
is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's
own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older
Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and
down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day
sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical
choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the
look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days
in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need
truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and
protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance.
The Corbin IS high on my list.


RB


Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact,
it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that
are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39.

Will you also being trading in your "big" EVO for a tri-axle dump
truck? LOL



Now that's funny.


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Dave wrote:
I think his point is that with experience you are likely to have a better
idea of what your ideal boat would be.

Well, sure.

... For example, when I bought my second
boat some 30+ years ago I had been reading in cruising magazines about the
virtues of a full keel boat, so looked for one (actually a cutaway, but you
get the point). I found that for the kind of sailing we do and the place we
do it a fin keel with a bit more of a turn of speed was much preferable. So
I learned from owning a 24' before springing for a slightly larger boat.

But JL probably doesn't want to wait 30 years before buying his "real"
cruising boat. And my point is that with a dearth of properly-equipped
boats to pick from, if he buys a 'learner' to save bucks, planning to
sell it in a dropping market... all he's going to gain is experience
in spending/losing money on a boat he doesn't really want... if he (or
anyone) spends a year or two sailing OPBs, doing deliveries, etc etc,
he's going to learn enough to make a very good start at picking out a
serious boat that will do what he wants.

If it turns out that a couple years of cruising on that boat makes him
want a different boat, then he's got about the same problem he had
trying to sell the 'learner' to move up, only the boat is likely to be
in much better shape and he'll have more contacts to help move it.

I couldn't really say how many boats I've owned over the years... to
be fair, most of them were small one-designs and none were in great
condition... but they were all the closest thing to the perfect boat
for me at the time I bought them. And that's the only way to choose
IMHO.

Maybe it's that I'm totally out of touch with the way most people like
to do things? A heck of a lot of people, men & women both, seem to
like to choose 'starter' spouses before getting serious about the real
thing.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Dave wrote:
I think his point is that with experience you are likely to have a better
idea of what your ideal boat would be.

Well, sure.

... For example, when I bought my second
boat some 30+ years ago I had been reading in cruising magazines about
the
virtues of a full keel boat, so looked for one (actually a cutaway, but
you
get the point). I found that for the kind of sailing we do and the place
we
do it a fin keel with a bit more of a turn of speed was much preferable.
So
I learned from owning a 24' before springing for a slightly larger boat.

But JL probably doesn't want to wait 30 years before buying his "real"
cruising boat. And my point is that with a dearth of properly-equipped
boats to pick from, if he buys a 'learner' to save bucks, planning to
sell it in a dropping market... all he's going to gain is experience
in spending/losing money on a boat he doesn't really want... if he (or
anyone) spends a year or two sailing OPBs, doing deliveries, etc etc,
he's going to learn enough to make a very good start at picking out a
serious boat that will do what he wants.

If it turns out that a couple years of cruising on that boat makes him
want a different boat, then he's got about the same problem he had
trying to sell the 'learner' to move up, only the boat is likely to be
in much better shape and he'll have more contacts to help move it.

I couldn't really say how many boats I've owned over the years... to
be fair, most of them were small one-designs and none were in great
condition... but they were all the closest thing to the perfect boat
for me at the time I bought them. And that's the only way to choose
IMHO.

Maybe it's that I'm totally out of touch with the way most people like
to do things? A heck of a lot of people, men & women both, seem to
like to choose 'starter' spouses before getting serious about the real
thing.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


So, what you're saying is the BS' wife is a stepping stone? LOL

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On Oct 10, 4:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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Dave wrote:
I think his point is that with experience you are likely to have a better
idea of what your ideal boat would be.

Well, sure.

... For example, when I bought my second
boat some 30+ years ago I had been reading in cruising magazines about
the
virtues of a full keel boat, so looked for one (actually a cutaway, but
you
get the point). I found that for the kind of sailing we do and the place
we
do it a fin keel with a bit more of a turn of speed was much preferable.
So
I learned from owning a 24' before springing for a slightly larger boat.

But JL probably doesn't want to wait 30 years before buying his "real"
cruising boat. And my point is that with a dearth of properly-equipped
boats to pick from, if he buys a 'learner' to save bucks, planning to
sell it in a dropping market... all he's going to gain is experience
in spending/losing money on a boat he doesn't really want... if he (or
anyone) spends a year or two sailing OPBs, doing deliveries, etc etc,
he's going to learn enough to make a very good start at picking out a
serious boat that will do what he wants.

If it turns out that a couple years of cruising on that boat makes him
want a different boat, then he's got about the same problem he had
trying to sell the 'learner' to move up, only the boat is likely to be
in much better shape and he'll have more contacts to help move it.

I couldn't really say how many boats I've owned over the years... to
be fair, most of them were small one-designs and none were in great
condition... but they were all the closest thing to the perfect boat
for me at the time I bought them. And that's the only way to choose
IMHO.

Maybe it's that I'm totally out of touch with the way most people like
to do things? A heck of a lot of people, men & women both, seem to
like to choose 'starter' spouses before getting serious about the real
thing.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

So, what you're saying is the BS' wife is a stepping stone? LOL

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Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!


RB

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Capt. Rob wrote:



Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!

Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin

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"Marty" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:



Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!

Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and not
a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin


Don't beat up on BS. He's got his share of problems, which are quite
obvious.

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:


Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and not
a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin


Don't beat up on BS. He's got his share of problems, which are quite
obvious.


I'd say more than his share!

Cheers
Martin

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"Marty" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:


Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin


Don't beat up on BS. He's got his share of problems, which are quite
obvious.


I'd say more than his share!

Cheers
Martin


Yes, but he's a perfect bonehead. You see that he wins no matter what....


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Capt. JG wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin

Don't beat up on BS. He's got his share of problems, which are quite
obvious.

I'd say more than his share!

Cheers
Martin


Yes, but he's a perfect bonehead. You see that he wins no matter what....




Hmmm, what a revoltin' development..

Cheers
Martin

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Doug, Not sure but I think they had a unfinished Flying Tiger 7.5 at
the show. The boat I saw that looked like a 7.5 was in the water but
had no rig, hatches, deck hardware etc. No rep was there so I'm not
sure. Looked like it would be a hoot. I checked out the new Andrews
28 and it looked like a winner.

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On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!

Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin



The difference, my dear Marty, is that at least I can act mature and
talk about boats as I please. On the other hand where are your
contributions to this thread that show any maturity? The thread is
sailing oriented and some people have sensible and worthwhile
comments. You are just one of the people trolling it.
Now add all the "LOL" you want, but that's the truth.


RB

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On Oct 10, 7:43 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message

...

Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!

Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and not
a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin

Don't beat up on BS. He's got his share of problems, which are quite
obvious.



Yea, like the problem of asking three different members to MEET with
Gayanzy, and then when they had no "interest" in him he gets mad and
reports to their ISPs.
That's a fact, folks.


RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin



The difference, my dear Marty, is that at least I can act mature and
talk about boats as I please.

Wrong on both counts.

On the other hand where are your
contributions to this thread that show any maturity?

One would have to have a modicum of maturity to recognize them.
The thread is
sailing oriented and some people have sensible and worthwhile
comments. You are just one of the people trolling it.

That's rich, coming from you.


Now add all the "LOL" you want, but that's the truth.

Only in the Matrix.

Cheers
Martin


RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

On Oct 11, 4:15 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin

The difference, my dear Marty, is that at least I can act mature and
talk about boats as I please.

Wrong on both counts.

On the other hand where are your

contributions to this thread that show any maturity?

One would have to have a modicum of maturity to recognize them.
The thread is

sailing oriented and some people have sensible and worthwhile
comments. You are just one of the people trolling it.

That's rich, coming from you.



"coming from me" or not, the fact remains that sailing discussions are
going on and all you're doing is trolling them.


RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

On Oct 11, 1:25*am, Ringmaster wrote:
Doug, Not sure but I think they had a unfinished Flying Tiger 7.5 at
the show. *The boat I saw that looked like a 7.5 *was in the water but
had no rig, hatches, deck hardware etc. *No rep was there so I'm not
sure. *Looked like it would be a hoot. *I checked out the new Andrews
28 and it looked like a winner.

I've been following the Flying Tiger story at "Sailing Anarchy" and
they've got the first FT 7.5 sailing, they said they couldn't get it
to Annapolis. Maybe they did!
I'm going to be looking for a good chance to check them out this
spring. It looks a lot better for what I want than the Melges 20 and
cheaper too.

I rejected a 2nd-hand Rocket 22, built by the same people who are
building the Andrews 28. Man they do a great job. The biggest problem
with the Rocket is the lack of keel crane and no shallow-water
capability (common to most sportboats, though) and the guy trying to
sell it was a major-league dick. It's a really cool boat, deserves to
be a popular class.

So, are you thinking Andrews 28 instead of Annapolis 30? It could be a
few more years before the A30 makes a real-life appearance!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

So, are you thinking Andrews 28 instead of Annapolis 30? It could be a
few more years before the A30 makes a real-life appearance!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


No I'm still happy with my current ride. So much so that I have a new
carbon spin pole arriving this week. Plus I'd never buy a new boat.

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

Here is the boat that I thought might be the new little Flying Tiger.
After seeing the photo (different perspective) I don't think it is.
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...=post&id=85799

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

So, are you thinking Andrews 28 instead of Annapolis 30? It could be a
few more years before the A30 makes a real-life appearance!




Ringmaster wrote:
No I'm still happy with my current ride. *So much so that I have a new
carbon spin pole arriving this week. * Plus I'd never buy a new boat.

Yeah, I'm not enthusiastic about throwing money into that 50% drive-it-
off-the-lot depreciation, either. I've only ever bought one new boat,
it worked out OK but certainly wasn't LESS work to get it up to snuff
as any 2nd-hand boat I've ever had. OTOH some builders are
different... a good friend of mine bought a brand-new Nickels
Lightning back in the '90s, had it delivered to a regatta. The Nickels
van & boat arrived that Friday night, they set the boat up & tuned the
rig, he sailed it the next morning taking some silver... said it was
perfect from the git-go.

There are a few Flying Tiger 10s showing up on the 2nd hand market
already. It might not be that long a of a wait for one of the little
ones to come up for sale.

Last winter I spent some time hunting around among the sportboats on
the market... seems like about $25k is the lowest the Melges 24 guys
will take, and the older boats are clapped-out junkers. A brand-new
boat doesn't sound that bad in comparison!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On 10 Oct, 17:43, wrote:
wrote:
Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience.

Sure we can... or at least, I can and it looks like a few others do it
very enthusastically.

.... RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats.

Looks to me like Oz has raced a lot of different class boats, done
some ocean racing (IIRC he's done the Sydney-Hobart) and cruisers in
various parts of the world. AFAIK he talks (posts) about it with
enough accurate detail that he's not BSing.

I may well be wrong about Oz's experience. However, I don't
feel that he has ever given advice that wasn't based on
personal experience. In other words, I have confidence
in his advice.




....Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts.

No, I've raced a lot of smaller ones.... once in a while a bigger one.
And I've definitely spent more time underway cruising or daysailing
than racing, but it's not as interesting to talk about IMHO.


Like Oz, I get the feeling that you don't give advice on subjects
that you kow little about.



Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.

And Bart has quite a bit more yet.

Yes. When he sailed on Setanta, he said that it was the
82'nd type of boat that he had sailed on. He has had two or three
more
since. So he is well on the way to 100!!

I guess that I have sailed on about 15 different models.



My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice.

Maybe you have a knack for it?

heh heh
Yes and No!

I was lucky enough to belong to a club that had a real
ethos of giving "experience" to its members. I managed
6, or 8 Channel crossings in different boats before I bought
my boat. When I went to buy the boat, I took two of the
club's most experienced sailors to help me spec it. I only
overruled them on one item. They said that I should go for
the aluminium toerail. I went for the pretty teak toerail. I
was wrong!




As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).

Not sure I get what you're saying. Don't buy the boat you really
really want, that will do the tasks you really want to undertake? That
sounds like the safest course to me, rather than buying something
smaller & cheaper & less suitable, just to gain experience... at a
large cost in dollars & time!

It really depends on how sure JL is about what he wants.
I was fairly confident, and history has not proved me wrong.
However, I can see that it could easily have gone the other way.

A mistake could prove expensive. For this reason, I think
that JL should "dip his foot in the water".


Regards


Donal
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And Bart has quite a bit more yet.


wrote:
Yes. *When he sailed on Setanta, he said that it was the
82'nd type of boat that he had sailed on. *He has had two or three
more
since. * So he is well on the way to 100!!

I guess that I have sailed on about 15 different models.


I haven't kept track, but it is interesting to compare the different
characterisitics of different types of boats. And little things can
make a difference in "cruisability" like handholds around the
companionway or good place to hang a wet jacket. Little things can be
modified & changed (to some extent) too.



My experience is mainly based on a single boat. *Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice.

Maybe you have a knack for it?

heh heh
Yes and No!

I was lucky enough to belong to a club that had a real
ethos of giving "experience" to its members. *I managed
6, or 8 Channel crossings in different boats before I bought
my boat. *

That sounds great, and obviously gave you a good basis for choice... I
think JL is on a similar path with taking lessons, chartering, and
(hopefully) delivering & crewing, before committing to purchase.


...When I went to buy the boat, *I took two of the
club's most experienced sailors to help me spec it. *I only
overruled them on one item. *They said that I should go for
the aluminium toerail. *I went for the pretty teak toerail. *I
was wrong!


Pretty = good
I just spent a few days working on our varnish.. yes it's a PITA, yes
it's worth it IMHO

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On 9 Oct, 02:34, Marty wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Oct, 22:49, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:53:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably
be good for you.
What no roast beef and yorkshire pud?
How can you not like fresh vegetables,fish and olive oil?

I enjoy eating abroad. The problem with Greece is that it is the same
vegetables and fish every day. The only meat in most places is goat,
and I cannot stand the smell of it.

I love goat, well, kid particularly, in fact I had it at my first
wedding, to a beautiful Greek girl.... to bad we were both driven more
by lust than brains....

I remember the feeling very well.


Next week it will be my 30th wedding anniversirary. I think
that my wife is expecting something special. Any sugestions?

Regards


Donal
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On 9 Oct, 02:34, Marty wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Oct, 22:49, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:53:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably
be good for you.
What no roast beef and yorkshire pud?
How can you not like fresh vegetables,fish and olive oil?

I enjoy eating abroad. The problem with Greece is that it is the same
vegetables and fish every day. The only meat in most places is goat,
and I cannot stand the smell of it.

I love goat, well, kid particularly, in fact I had it at my first
wedding, to a beautiful Greek girl.... to bad we were both driven more
by lust than brains....

I remember the feeling very well.


Next week it will be my 30th wedding anniversirary. I think
that my wife is expecting something special. Any sugestions?

Regards


Donal
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Next week it will be my 30th wedding anniversirary. I think
that my wife is expecting something special. Any sugestions?



I bet she is. This is the same woman who believes she "deserves" to be
in some kind of car, though Donal has yet to identify it. On top of
that, when driven around in it she rewards him with a kiss that is
directly the result of being in the car. No doubt Donal seeks whatever
physical rewards possible and meeting her expectations for the
anniversary might net him additional affections.
Last week was my 6th wedding anniversary.

Cheers,



RB

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On 15 Oct, 13:08, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Next week it will be my 30th wedding anniversirary. I think
that my wife is expecting something special. Any sugestions?

I bet she is. This is the same woman who believes she "deserves" to be
in some kind of car, though Donal has yet to identify it. On top of
that, when driven around in it she rewards him with a kiss that is
directly the result of being in the car. No doubt Donal seeks whatever
physical rewards possible and meeting her expectations for the
anniversary might net him additional affections.
Last week was my 6th wedding anniversary.

I'm sure that an Evo will help you to make to your
30th.

Isn't Susannah really impressed?


Why don't you show what a failure you are by
showing her the sort of car that a successful
film producer owns?

Regards



Donal
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I'm sure that an Evo will help you to make to your
30th.

Isn't Susannah really impressed?

Why don't you show what a failure you are by
showing her the sort of car that a successful
film producer owns?




Haha! Sounds like I really struck a nerve!
Well, let's answer poor frustrated Donal, who needs a nice car to get
attention from his wife!
Suzanne IS impressed with the Evo. In fact, before we bought the
Subaru Legacy Turbo, she noted how much better the Speed 6 was in
handling. He only objection to the Evo is the chassis feeling "up
high" at times, which is something most rally cars share.
Now, how can I show her what a failure I am by buying 4 nice cars in 3
years? Slow down when you get mad, Donal. You're not making any sense!


RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

I'm sure that an Evo will help you to make to your
30th.



Here's another hint, Donal. You shouldn't have to rely on cars, or
anything else material, to get a good kiss from your wife. I don't
know how this happened to you, but maybe it's not your fault. Some
people just marry the wrong person and still have to feed them
"special objects" to keep it going. Ultimately my wife was FAR happier
with the card and what I wrote inside than the 6K Bullfrog hot tub I
bought her. Your wife is probably far beyond being able to learn from
that. 30 years of tuff luck...I can now see why you're so bitter.
BTW, did you see the pics of the boat we'll be buying next?


RB

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On 15 Oct, 04:11, Marty wrote:
wrote:
On 9 Oct, 02:34, Marty wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Oct, 22:49, OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:53:54 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
The food in Greece is awful. A month there will probably
be good for you.
What no roast beef and yorkshire pud?
How can you not like fresh vegetables,fish and olive oil?
I enjoy eating abroad. The problem with Greece is that it is the same
vegetables and fish every day. The only meat in most places is goat,
and I cannot stand the smell of it.
I love goat, well, kid particularly, in fact I had it at my first
wedding, to a beautiful Greek girl.... to bad we were both driven more
by lust than brains....

I remember the feeling very well.

Next week it will be my 30th wedding anniversirary. I think
that my wife is expecting something special. Any sugestions?

Well, since you don't like goat, how about calamari? You can serve it
with a nice bottle of retsina, unless you have an aversion to turps.

I like calamari when it isn't overcooked! I hate Retsina (turps).



Congratulations on your 30th, I'm closing on 20, number two of course ;-)

Thank you.
I've no idea what to do for our 30th. I do know that whatever I do,
it will be wrong!



Regards


Donal
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On 16 Oct, 12:42, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
I'm sure that an Evo will help you to make to your
30th.

Isn't Susannah really impressed?

Why don't you show what a failure you are by
showing her the sort of car that a successful
film producer owns?

On 16 Oct, 12:42, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
I'm sure that an Evo will help you to make to your
30th.

Isn't Susannah really impressed?

Why don't you show what a failure you are by
showing her the sort of car that a successful
film producer owns?

Haha! Sounds like I really struck a nerve!
Bob..... You *know* that you have never managed
to strike a nerve with me.


Well, let's answer poor frustrated Donal, who needs a nice car to get
attention from his wife!
After you have been married for 30 years, the last thing
that you need is "attention" from your wife. What you
want it to be able to watch the TV without interruption.

Suzanne IS impressed with the Evo.

Perhaps the two of you are suited to each other.
I'm glad that my wife wouldn't be impressed by
an Evo.

In fact, before we bought the
Subaru Legacy Turbo, she noted how much better the Speed 6 was in
handling. He only objection to the Evo is the chassis feeling "up
high" at times, which is something most rally cars share.
Now, how can I show her what a failure I am by buying 4 nice cars in 3
years? Slow down when you get mad, Donal. You're not making any sense!


Why don't you let Susannah look at a DB9?
Then you can ask her which she would prefer.

DB9 vs Evo??


Ask her.


If you don't know what the answer is, then you are just
plain stupid.



Regards


Donal
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Bob..... You *know* that you have never managed
to strike a nerve with me.


Well then KUDOS to you! You sure type like someone who's upset. I
can't imagine why though.



After you have been married for 30 years, the last thing
that you need is "attention" from your wife. What you
want it to be able to watch the TV without interruption.


Lucky for me I know some people who have been even married longer than
you and they sure would find what you wrote above funny and sad!
But I'll let your comment stand on it's own!


Perhaps the two of you are suited to each other.
I'm glad that my wife wouldn't be impressed by
an Evo.


Indeed. My wife has driven some of the best handling cars and drives a
6 speed with perfection. She can also swim faster than most people and
can sail. She's interested in what a car can do, not where it gets
parked!


Why don't you let Susannah look at a DB9?
Then you can ask her which she would prefer.


The DB9 is an ungainly boat to her. Out of all the current cars she
likes the new M3 best, which also out-handles the DB9 with ease. What
you have failed to understand is the simple fact that the DB9 does
not lead in any subcategory of performance...not one. Yet your
impressed with it cuz it's pretty and expensive. That's the long and
short of it, Donal...oh, and that your wife has special kisses for you
when carted about in a car she "deserves."

And what car IS that, Donal???? It's pretty clear you're afraid to
tell us.


Nah, you're not mad! This little debate has gone great for you! You're
on par with John McCain!




RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

On 17 Oct, 02:45, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Bob..... You *know* that you have never managed
to strike a nerve with me.

Well then KUDOS to you! You sure type like someone who's upset. I
can't imagine why though.

After you have been married for 30 years, the last thing
that you need is "attention" from your wife. What you
want it to be able to watch the TV without interruption.

Lucky for me I know some people who have been even married longer than
you and they sure would find what you wrote above funny and sad!
But I'll let your comment stand on it's own!

Perhaps the two of you are suited to each other.
I'm glad that my wife wouldn't be impressed by
an Evo.

Indeed. My wife has driven some of the best handling cars and drives a
6 speed with perfection. She can also swim faster than most people and
can sail. She's interested in what a car can do, not where it gets
parked!

Why don't you let Susannah look at a DB9?
Then you can ask her which she would prefer.

The DB9 is an ungainly boat to her.

Well... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised!
After all, she married *you*.


Out of all the current cars she
likes the new M3 best, which also out-handles the DB9 with ease.

0-60??? Top speed???

You are talking absolute nonsense, as usual.

The M3 is a boy's car. The DB9 is a man's car.



What
you have failed to understand is the simple fact that the DB9 does
not lead in any subcategory of performance...not one. Yet your
impressed with it cuz it's pretty and expensive. That's the long and
short of it, Donal...oh, and that your wife has special kisses for you
when carted about in a car she "deserves."

Yup!!



And what car IS that, Donal???? It's pretty clear you're afraid to
tell us.

Afraid??

No.


Nah, you're not mad! This little debate has gone great for you! You're
on par with John McCain!


I have to admit that you have insulted me with that one.
Despite the insult, I feel that I will be able to carry on.

You have definitely wounded me. I am really feeling
the pain. Does this make you feel that you are
winning?


I admit that you are correct when you say that
an Evo has more class than a DB9.

You are a genius. Not many people would have
been able to figure out that an Evo would be more
desirable than a DB9.

I am envious that your wife is intelligent enough
to see that your Evo is better than a DB9.


Regards


Donal
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Perhaps the two of you are suited to each other.
I'm glad that my wife wouldn't be impressed by
an Evo.


And yet virtually every pro driver is. I guess your wife is above
"pro" level since she alone discounts the achievement that the Evo
represents.




0-60??? Top speed???

You are talking absolute nonsense, as usual.


Wake up, Donal. It's 2008, not 1975. There are a LOT of fast cars out
there. The Euro spec's Evo is as fast as the DB9 and is FAR more agile
on the track in STOCK trim! Not only that, but you'd need a perfect
launch to get ahead of the AWD Evo. Like I said. It's 2008 and the
high end is about handling. If you wanna drag race, the DB9 loses to a
LOT of cars costing a LOT less.



The M3 is a boy's car. The DB9 is a man's car.


The M3 outhandles the DB9 easily, just like the Evo. How is a car that
shouts "look at me!" manly? DRIVERS prefer a Q car, which is why a lot
of Evo owners remove the wing.



Afraid??

No.


You're not making a good case.


Nah, you're not mad! This little debate has gone great for you! You're
on par with John McCain!

I have to admit that you have insulted me with that one.
Despite the insult, I feel that I will be able to carry on.


I'm sorry. The McCain comparison was unjustified and I retract it.




I admit that you are correct when you say that
an Evo has more class than a DB9.


No, not MORE class. The DB9 is a classy car to be sure. But it's
simply not a better handling car than an Evo, M3 or GT-R and driving
enthusiasts are usually looking for handling and speed at the top end
first and foremost. In THAT class the DB9 loses to a lot of better
designed suspensions and drive trains.


You are a genius. Not many people would have
been able to figure out that an Evo would be more
desirable than a DB9.


Only a poor person will "desire" a car like the DB9 over an Evo. It
represents a level of wealth few people can attain. I could afford
one, but frankly I'd be crazy to buy one. I want fun, practicality and
performance in a car, not the best parking spot.


I am envious that your wife is intelligent enough
to see that your Evo is better than a DB9.


She sure does. She knows the DB9 would be useless around here on wet
or snowy roads and it stands out in a boastful way she does not enjoy.
She enjoys luxuries, like the hot tub I just bought her, but she
doesn't like to advertise them to the world.

Again, sorry about the McCain thing.



RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

On 18 Oct, 01:14, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Perhaps the two of you are suited to each other.
I'm glad that my wife wouldn't be impressed by
an Evo.

And yet virtually every pro driver is. I guess your wife is above
"pro" level since she alone discounts the achievement that the Evo
represents.

Nah.... my wife drives a Nissan Micra.


However, The Pro driver who tutored me on the
driving course seemed impressed with the DB9.

On the skid pan, he looked at me and said
"Not many people have spun a DB9 five times".

Will you ever spin a DB9? .....No, you won't.

Would you like to? Of course not! That is
the diference between you and I. You would
like to spin an Evo. I have higher aspirations.




0-60??? Top speed???

You are talking absolute nonsense, as usual.

Wake up, Donal. It's 2008, not 1975. There are a LOT of fast cars out
there. The Euro spec's Evo is as fast as the DB9

No, it isn't.



and is FAR more agile
on the track in STOCK trim! Not only that, but you'd need a perfect
launch to get ahead of the AWD Evo. Like I said. It's 2008 and the
high end is about handling. If you wanna drag race, the DB9 loses to a
LOT of cars costing a LOT less.

.... and yet the only race between the two cars shows
that the Evo was absolutely thrashed!





The M3 is a boy's car. The DB9 is a man's car.

The M3 outhandles the DB9 easily, just like the Evo. How is a car that
shouts "look at me!" manly?

Emmmm...... are you really asking why a 12 cylinder, 6L engine
car is manly??? Why don't you tell us about the rather gay
specs os the Evo?

DRIVERS prefer a Q car, which is why a lot
of Evo owners remove the wing.

DB9 owners remove nothing.


Afraid??

No.

You're not making a good case.

Nah, you're not mad! This little debate has gone great for you! You're
on par with John McCain!

I have to admit that you have insulted me with that one.
Despite the insult, I feel that I will be able to carry on.

I'm sorry. The McCain comparison was unjustified and I retract it.

Apology accepted. However, I must admit that my wife
bears some similarities to Sarah Palin.


I admit that you are correct when you say that
an Evo has more class than a DB9.

No, not MORE class. The DB9 is a classy car to be sure. But it's
simply not a better handling car than an Evo, M3

I would argue this point with you.


or GT-R

I don't know about the GT-R.


and driving
enthusiasts are usually looking for handling and speed at the top end
first and foremost. In THAT class the DB9 loses to a lot of better
designed suspensions and drive trains.

No, it doesn't.




You are a genius. Not many people would have
been able to figure out that an Evo would be more
desirable than a DB9.

Only a poor person will "desire" a car like the DB9 over an Evo. It
represents a level of wealth few people can attain. I could afford
one, but frankly I'd be crazy to buy one. I want fun, practicality and
performance in a car, not the best parking spot.


Well, we will have to agree that you are a rich person
who can afford an Evo. You obviously are not poor
enough to be reduced to a DB9 which onlu costs about
5 times as much as a cheap Evo.


I am envious that your wife is intelligent enough
to see that your Evo is better than a DB9.

She sure does. She knows the DB9 would be useless around here on wet
or snowy roads and it stands out in a boastful way she does not enjoy.
She enjoys luxuries, like the hot tub I just bought her, but she
doesn't like to advertise them to the world.

Again, sorry about the McCain thing.

No problem.....





Regards


Donal
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On Oct 19, 4:47 pm, wrote:
On 18 Oct, 01:14, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Perhaps the two of you are suited to each other.
I'm glad that my wife wouldn't be impressed by
an Evo.

And yet virtually every pro driver is. I guess your wife is above
"pro" level since she alone discounts the achievement that the Evo
represents.

Nah.... my wife drives a Nissan Micra.


Good lord. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to show you the Nissan
Micra, one of the world's most unsafe cars:

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/nissan_micra_1997/9.aspx

You must truly love her.



However, The Pro driver who tutored me on the
driving course seemed impressed with the DB9.


Of course. It's his JOB. Do you think he's going to pan the car?
BWAHAHAHA!


Will you ever spin a DB9? .....No, you won't.


Nope, but I did spin a 959 and I have driven the GT-R on my own roads.
Both of those cars toast the DB9. Sorry.




Would you like to?


The DB9 is a road car first and foremost. I really have no interest in
testing the limits of a DB9 when a M series BMW handles better as does
the Evo.


Wake up, Donal. It's 2008, not 1975. There are a LOT of fast cars out
there. The Euro spec's Evo is as fast as the DB9

No, it isn't.


Yes it is. It has 400 HP and does 0-60 faster, handles better and will
also beat the DB9 from 60-120 mph as well. The Evo can also handle
snow, rain and dirt that leaves the DB9 in the garage. It's a complete
car, where the DB9 is not.

... and yet the only race between the two cars shows
that the Evo was absolutely thrashed!


On a highway the DB9's power will win. On a twisty road with a lot of
tight turns the Evo will win. If you want a car to do BOTH, then buy a
GT-R like I'm planning to do. Of course the GT-R is HUGELY faster than
the DB9.


Emmmm...... are you really asking why a 12 cylinder, 6L engine
car is manly??? Why don't you tell us about the rather gay
specs os the Evo?



Gay specs? The GT-R has a 6 and beats the DB9 to 60 MPH by a FULL
second. The Sean Ivey modded Evo will manage 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. But
none of this matters since the DB9 lacks AWD. It's half the car.


DB9 owners remove nothing.


Wrong. DB9 owners DO in fact modify with CF parts just like the Evo.
But the DB9 will never be a Q car.


Apology accepted. However, I must admit that my wife
bears some similarities to Sarah Palin.



I'm sorry to hear that. There's really nothing I like about Palin.
She's only good looking compared to McCain.


No, not MORE class. The DB9 is a classy car to be sure. But it's
simply not a better handling car than an Evo, M3

I would argue this point with you.


Why argue? Look up the specs on the Evo GSR and M3. They are dedicated
driving machines. The DB9 was never intended to handle as well. And
even the highly regarded M3 can't match the Evo's AWD system and
active yaw control.



or GT-R

I don't know about the GT-R.


Look it up. It has many of the Evo's handling touches, but with a 0-60
time of 3.2 seconds. A DB9 is not even close to that level of
performance. A GT-R will be the car to follow the Evo for me. It also
has AWD, making it a complete car, which the DB9 will never be.



and driving
enthusiasts are usually looking for handling and speed at the top end
first and foremost. In THAT class the DB9 loses to a lot of better
designed suspensions and drive trains.

No, it doesn't.


Well, then you disagree with just about every expert on cars.




Well, we will have to agree that you are a rich person
who can afford an Evo. You obviously are not poor
enough to be reduced to a DB9 which onlu costs about
5 times as much as a cheap Evo.


You don't get the point because you're not a driver. Why spend so much
on a car that does not offer top notch handling? At 90K a GT-R bests
the DB9 in EVERY performance spec that anyone would ever care about.
So you want a driving enthusiast to pay another 50K or more for
"class" as you define it? Get over yourself someday.



RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

More bad news for Donal......The new Evo with 400 HP and even more
suspension tweaks will go on sale next year. Dubbed the Evo FQ400 in
Europe, it will do 0-60 in just 3.6 seconds. That's nearly as fast as
the GT-R. By the time it hits the states (if it does), I'll probably
be driving the GT-R anyway.

DB what?


RB

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
yak, yak, yak

You're just like all the other penny pinching pseudo-rich arseholes. You
live in a shack, wear hand-me-down clothes, listen to second rate sound,
watch fuzzy projected video, drive a junker, and buy cheap knockoffs while
trying to convince yourself that they are as good or better than the real
thing. You believe any marketing hype that tells you you're living the life
of the rich and famous with your silly imitations.

I bet your wife wears Hannah Montana underwear.

My New Boat!!! What did RB Pick????
 

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
yak, yak, yak

You're just like all the other penny pinching pseudo-rich arseholes. You
live in a shack, wear hand-me-down clothes, listen to second rate sound,
watch fuzzy projected video, drive a junker, and buy cheap knockoffs while
trying to convince yourself that they are as good or better than the real
thing. You believe any marketing hype that tells you you're living the
life of the rich and famous with your silly imitations.

I bet your wife wears Hannah Montana underwear.

Now that is funny... but two things to keep in mind... his current wife is
likely a stepping stone and even so, I'm sure she washes them before she
wears them.

--
"j" ganz @@
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On Oct 20, 1:12 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message

...



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
yak, yak, yak

You're just like all the other penny pinching pseudo-rich arseholes. You
live in a shack, wear hand-me-down clothes, listen to second rate sound,
watch fuzzy projected video, drive a junker, and buy cheap knockoffs while
trying to convince yourself that they are as good or better than the real
thing. You believe any marketing hype that tells you you're living the
life of the rich and famous with your silly imitations.

I bet your wife wears Hannah Montana underwear.

Now that is funny... but two things to keep in mind... his current wife is
likely a stepping stone and even so, I'm sure she washes them before she
wears them.



Gayanzy is upset. My wife is in fact a woman. That doesn't interest in
him in the least.


RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
On Oct 20, 1:12 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message

...



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
...
yak, yak, yak

You're just like all the other penny pinching pseudo-rich arseholes.
You
live in a shack, wear hand-me-down clothes, listen to second rate sound,
watch fuzzy projected video, drive a junker, and buy cheap knockoffs
while
trying to convince yourself that they are as good or better than the
real
thing. You believe any marketing hype that tells you you're living the
life of the rich and famous with your silly imitations.

I bet your wife wears Hannah Montana underwear.

Now that is funny... but two things to keep in mind... his current wife is
likely a stepping stone and even so, I'm sure she washes them before she
wears them.



| Gayanzy is upset. My wife is in fact a woman. That doesn't interest in
| him in the least.
|
|
| RB


She would if she were dealing.

--
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On 16 Oct, 12:42, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
I'm sure that an Evo will help you to make to your
30th.

Isn't Susannah really impressed?

Why don't you show what a failure you are by
showing her the sort of car that a successful
film producer owns?

Haha! Sounds like I really struck a nerve!
Well, let's answer poor frustrated Donal, who needs a nice car to get
attention from his wife!
Suzanne IS impressed with the Evo.

That sort of says it all. I'm pleased to say that I really
do not believe that my wife would be impressed by an Evo.


In fact, before we bought the
Subaru Legacy Turbo, she noted how much better the Speed 6 was in
handling. He only objection to the Evo is the chassis feeling "up
high" at times, which is something most rally cars share.
Now, how can I show her what a failure I am by buying 4 nice cars in 3
years? Slow down when you get mad, Donal. You're not making any sense!

My wife has never even heard of a Subaro. She drives
a Nissan Micra. She thinks that the Lexus gs300 is a
"Nice Car". She loves the DB9. She thinks that I should
get one.

Regards


Donal
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