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"JimC" wrote in message
... Charles Momsen wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here to there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my sailing was done 35 years ago. I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet due to Ike. My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray. Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive cruiser for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail alone with confidence. At one time I owned a thirty footer, but never lived aboard, and most of the maintenance was bought and paid for. I like all of the following, but remember my experience is day sailing, for the most part, and I'm completely ignorant of the requirements, stresses, and needs of the live aboard. Contessa Westerly (Konsort) Endeavour 32 Plan A Cape Dory Crealock (Pacific Seacraft) Island Packet Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. -- jlrogers±³© "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt "Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. The previous suggestion (don't buy an "ideal boat" upfront) is a good one IMO. If you intend to liveaboard, I would also suggest something a little larger than 30 feet. I think your plan to charter various boats will give you a good idea of what's involved and what type and size boat you may prefer. I'm also near Kemah, and I can verify that in this area you will find many boats of all genries for far less than $60,000. (Try $15,000 - $30,000 for 30-35 ft. boats that would be ready to sail with minor cleanup or upgrades.). Have it surveyed, of course. - IMO, in this price range the condition of the boat is almost as important as the model/maker. And although I agree that Sabres, Endeavours, Island Packets, Tartans, Valiants, etc., are great boats, if you insist on getting one of these "ideal" boats, you may end up paying twice as much as you would for other boats of a the same size and condition that would be comfortable and that you would also enjoy sailing. - It's your choice, of course. Incidentally, my boat (a 26 ft. MacGregor) had no damage from the hurricane, and you would be welcome to go out with me anytime this Fall. Jim Glad to hear all is well Jim... you had it on a trailer and left town or did you leave it? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Charles Momsen wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here to there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my sailing was done 35 years ago. I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet due to Ike. My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray. Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive cruiser for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail alone with confidence. At one time I owned a thirty footer, but never lived aboard, and most of the maintenance was bought and paid for. I like all of the following, but remember my experience is day sailing, for the most part, and I'm completely ignorant of the requirements, stresses, and needs of the live aboard. Contessa Westerly (Konsort) Endeavour 32 Plan A Cape Dory Crealock (Pacific Seacraft) Island Packet Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. -- jlrogers±³© "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt "Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. The previous suggestion (don't buy an "ideal boat" upfront) is a good one IMO. If you intend to liveaboard, I would also suggest something a little larger than 30 feet. I think your plan to charter various boats will give you a good idea of what's involved and what type and size boat you may prefer. I'm also near Kemah, and I can verify that in this area you will find many boats of all genries for far less than $60,000. (Try $15,000 - $30,000 for 30-35 ft. boats that would be ready to sail with minor cleanup or upgrades.). Have it surveyed, of course. - IMO, in this price range the condition of the boat is almost as important as the model/maker. And although I agree that Sabres, Endeavours, Island Packets, Tartans, Valiants, etc., are great boats, if you insist on getting one of these "ideal" boats, you may end up paying twice as much as you would for other boats of a the same size and condition that would be comfortable and that you would also enjoy sailing. - It's your choice, of course. Incidentally, my boat (a 26 ft. MacGregor) had no damage from the hurricane, and you would be welcome to go out with me anytime this Fall. Jim Glad to hear all is well Jim... you had it on a trailer and left town or did you leave it? Thanks. Yes, we were in a "mandatory evacuation" area, and we spent the night with relatives. The boat is in the water at one of the local marinas. I tied double lines to the risers (slideable vertically on rods connected to pilings), and apparently that was enough. The water-line (trash line) from the storm surge was around 8-10 feet above normal levels. Jim |
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"JimC" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Charles Momsen wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message .. . All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here to there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my sailing was done 35 years ago. I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet due to Ike. My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray. Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive cruiser for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail alone with confidence. At one time I owned a thirty footer, but never lived aboard, and most of the maintenance was bought and paid for. I like all of the following, but remember my experience is day sailing, for the most part, and I'm completely ignorant of the requirements, stresses, and needs of the live aboard. Contessa Westerly (Konsort) Endeavour 32 Plan A Cape Dory Crealock (Pacific Seacraft) Island Packet Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. -- jlrogers±³© "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt "Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. The previous suggestion (don't buy an "ideal boat" upfront) is a good one IMO. If you intend to liveaboard, I would also suggest something a little larger than 30 feet. I think your plan to charter various boats will give you a good idea of what's involved and what type and size boat you may prefer. I'm also near Kemah, and I can verify that in this area you will find many boats of all genries for far less than $60,000. (Try $15,000 - $30,000 for 30-35 ft. boats that would be ready to sail with minor cleanup or upgrades.). Have it surveyed, of course. - IMO, in this price range the condition of the boat is almost as important as the model/maker. And although I agree that Sabres, Endeavours, Island Packets, Tartans, Valiants, etc., are great boats, if you insist on getting one of these "ideal" boats, you may end up paying twice as much as you would for other boats of a the same size and condition that would be comfortable and that you would also enjoy sailing. - It's your choice, of course. Incidentally, my boat (a 26 ft. MacGregor) had no damage from the hurricane, and you would be welcome to go out with me anytime this Fall. Jim Glad to hear all is well Jim... you had it on a trailer and left town or did you leave it? Thanks. Yes, we were in a "mandatory evacuation" area, and we spent the night with relatives. The boat is in the water at one of the local marinas. I tied double lines to the risers (slideable vertically on rods connected to pilings), and apparently that was enough. The water-line (trash line) from the storm surge was around 8-10 feet above normal levels. Jim Glad all is ok... can't imagine what it was like. All we have are earthquakes. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 27 Sep, 14:13, jlrogers±³© wrote:
..... Expenses become a factor in the whole context of JL's life which only he can determine himself. Economics is a factor, isn't it always? A year ago when I gave my notice, my retirement budget was 20% greater than it is today. Current economic conditions have made me a lot more conservative. You are not alone. I've got several freinds who have seen their retirement plans evaporate. For some of them the damage is more like 80% than 20%. It's quite scary. I've been reading the discussion between Doug and Charles with some interest. They both have very good points to make. If you don't have much experience in the various boats that you are looking at, then I would advise the "cheap" boat route. As you asked the question in the first place, I suspect that don't know the boats very well. Whatever you do, do not kit the boat out for long distance cruising until you are happy that you are comfortable living on it. Regards Donal -- |
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"JimC" wrote in message ... Charles Momsen wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here to there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my sailing was done 35 years ago. I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet due to Ike. My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray. Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive cruiser for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail alone with confidence. At one time I owned a thirty footer, but never lived aboard, and most of the maintenance was bought and paid for. I like all of the following, but remember my experience is day sailing, for the most part, and I'm completely ignorant of the requirements, stresses, and needs of the live aboard. Contessa Westerly (Konsort) Endeavour 32 Plan A Cape Dory Crealock (Pacific Seacraft) Island Packet Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. -- jlrogers±³© "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt "Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. The previous suggestion (don't buy an "ideal boat" upfront) is a good one IMO. If you intend to liveaboard, I would also suggest something a little larger than 30 feet. I think your plan to charter various boats will give you a good idea of what's involved and what type and size boat you may prefer. I'm also near Kemah, and I can verify that in this area you will find many boats of all genries for far less than $60,000. (Try $15,000 - $30,000 for 30-35 ft. boats that would be ready to sail with minor cleanup or upgrades.). Have it surveyed, of course. - IMO, in this price range the condition of the boat is almost as important as the model/maker. And although I agree that Sabres, Endeavours, Island Packets, Tartans, Valiants, etc., are great boats, if you insist on getting one of these "ideal" boats, you may end up paying twice as much as you would for other boats of a the same size and condition that would be comfortable and that you would also enjoy sailing. - It's your choice, of course. Incidentally, my boat (a 26 ft. MacGregor) had no damage from the hurricane, and you would be welcome to go out with me anytime this Fall. Jim Thank you. Just got back from Houston today, but didn't even try to get down to the coast..figure they have enough problems without a bunch of rubber neckers hanging out. Did have lunch with a guy who lives on Clear Lake. He is down from 4 boats to one. |
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"JimC" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Charles Momsen wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message .. . All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here to there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my sailing was done 35 years ago. I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet due to Ike. My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray. Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive cruiser for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail alone with confidence. At one time I owned a thirty footer, but never lived aboard, and most of the maintenance was bought and paid for. I like all of the following, but remember my experience is day sailing, for the most part, and I'm completely ignorant of the requirements, stresses, and needs of the live aboard. Contessa Westerly (Konsort) Endeavour 32 Plan A Cape Dory Crealock (Pacific Seacraft) Island Packet Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. -- jlrogers±³© "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt "Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. The previous suggestion (don't buy an "ideal boat" upfront) is a good one IMO. If you intend to liveaboard, I would also suggest something a little larger than 30 feet. I think your plan to charter various boats will give you a good idea of what's involved and what type and size boat you may prefer. I'm also near Kemah, and I can verify that in this area you will find many boats of all genries for far less than $60,000. (Try $15,000 - $30,000 for 30-35 ft. boats that would be ready to sail with minor cleanup or upgrades.). Have it surveyed, of course. - IMO, in this price range the condition of the boat is almost as important as the model/maker. And although I agree that Sabres, Endeavours, Island Packets, Tartans, Valiants, etc., are great boats, if you insist on getting one of these "ideal" boats, you may end up paying twice as much as you would for other boats of a the same size and condition that would be comfortable and that you would also enjoy sailing. - It's your choice, of course. Incidentally, my boat (a 26 ft. MacGregor) had no damage from the hurricane, and you would be welcome to go out with me anytime this Fall. Jim Glad to hear all is well Jim... you had it on a trailer and left town or did you leave it? Thanks. Yes, we were in a "mandatory evacuation" area, and we spent the night with relatives. The boat is in the water at one of the local marinas. I tied double lines to the risers (slideable vertically on rods connected to pilings), and apparently that was enough. The water-line (trash line) from the storm surge was around 8-10 feet above normal levels. Jim I was told that around Clear Lake and Kemah that those boats tied to floating docks did much better than those tied to pilings and fixed docks or were on the hard. |
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jlrogers±³© wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "JimC" wrote in message ... Charles Momsen wrote: "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here to there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my sailing was done 35 years ago. I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet due to Ike. My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray. Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive cruiser for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail alone with confidence. At one time I owned a thirty footer, but never lived aboard, and most of the maintenance was bought and paid for. I like all of the following, but remember my experience is day sailing, for the most part, and I'm completely ignorant of the requirements, stresses, and needs of the live aboard. Contessa Westerly (Konsort) Endeavour 32 Plan A Cape Dory Crealock (Pacific Seacraft) Island Packet Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. -- jlrogers±³© "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt "Those who would give up a little freedom to get a little security shall soon have neither." Benjamin Franklin Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. The previous suggestion (don't buy an "ideal boat" upfront) is a good one IMO. If you intend to liveaboard, I would also suggest something a little larger than 30 feet. I think your plan to charter various boats will give you a good idea of what's involved and what type and size boat you may prefer. I'm also near Kemah, and I can verify that in this area you will find many boats of all genries for far less than $60,000. (Try $15,000 - $30,000 for 30-35 ft. boats that would be ready to sail with minor cleanup or upgrades.). Have it surveyed, of course. - IMO, in this price range the condition of the boat is almost as important as the model/maker. And although I agree that Sabres, Endeavours, Island Packets, Tartans, Valiants, etc., are great boats, if you insist on getting one of these "ideal" boats, you may end up paying twice as much as you would for other boats of a the same size and condition that would be comfortable and that you would also enjoy sailing. - It's your choice, of course. Incidentally, my boat (a 26 ft. MacGregor) had no damage from the hurricane, and you would be welcome to go out with me anytime this Fall. Jim Glad to hear all is well Jim... you had it on a trailer and left town or did you leave it? Thanks. Yes, we were in a "mandatory evacuation" area, and we spent the night with relatives. The boat is in the water at one of the local marinas. I tied double lines to the risers (slideable vertically on rods connected to pilings), and apparently that was enough. The water-line (trash line) from the storm surge was around 8-10 feet above normal levels. Jim I was told that around Clear Lake and Kemah that those boats tied to floating docks did much better than those tied to pilings and fixed docks or were on the hard. That may be, although our marina (Legend Point) doesn't have floating docks and we seemed to have relatively little damage. (Although the boat two slips down was damaged when the piling to which it was attached was broken in two at the waterline during the storm, leaving the stern of that boat with no protection such that it became jammed against the intermediate boat and partially rolled over.) Jim |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000. Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat upfront, buy a lower cost "value" boat first. You'll probably make mistakes at first (crashing into stuff, breaking things or doing something that leaves a really big mark/gouge.) so get something you could walk away from. Make your second boat count. Buy whatever is cheap and popular in your area. You can easily resell it at a small loss and learn so much without fear of real financial loss. On Sept 25 the DJIA was at about 11,000. Today, Nov 20 it sits below 8,000. Down 27% in less than 2 months, down 43% from its high. There are a lot of Americans pinching pennies today. If you have the money, now is the time to start looking for a good value boat. You'll find Pacific Seacrafts (they stopped making the Dana again) and other quality boats on the chopping block. Great time to buy a Mitsubishi Evo too, no one else is and dealers are willing to bargain. Stores are virtually empty, resort areas barren, prices for goods, food and fuel are dropping. People are willing to work harder for less. For $60K you can get your dream boat of a lifetime. Go for it! |
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