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On 11 Sep, 02:59, wrote:
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First of all, I made several mistakes which cost us time. The start
sequences was not clear and I misjudged both the time & distance it
would take to circle. That cost us a bit less than a minute. The wind
was light and we got the boat accelerated & up to a close-hauled
course, on a long port tack. This was the favored side and the wind
gave us some luck, before long we had a pretty clear lead but I could
see patches of no wind, ahead & to leeward. It looked to me like we
were sailing out of our wind streak. So, even though it meant pointing
the boat about 90 degrees away from the mark, I tacked the boat and we
went about 4 or 5 minutes on starboard, out to the middle of the
river. Yes the wind was a bit stronger, but in a less favorable
direction... and the lulls I saw did not affect the other boats that
stayed on the same tack very much. The result was that we lost a place
and could not gain it back on the spinnaker run, we ended up in 2nd
place by about a minute corrected time. The winner was a San Juan 30
which was very well sailed.

Not a bad result. It reminds me of of a race that I was in a few
years
ago. We had a disastrous first leg in the "Round the Island" race.
By
the start of the second leg, we were at least 2, maybe 3 hours behind
the leaders. Instead of tacking along the SW coast of the Island in
a
SE wind, we went 7-8 miles offshore to do the leg in a single tack.
Our
gamble paid off big time, and we gained about two hours.

I can remember feeling almost lonely at times. We were in a race
with
about 2000 boats, and we couldn't see another boat! It felt really
weird.
Fortunately, it paid off. It could have easily gone the other way,
but as
we were already near the back of the fleet, it didn't matter.


The next day, we had some short round-the-bouys races and again I did
not get us very good starts. Still, we got up into the pack and the
rookie crew learned everything pretty cleanly. We did not do anything
fancy, no tacking duels, we didn't even pull the daggerboard up on the
short spinnaker runs. We ended up with a couple of close seconds and
one first. We were definitely first in our class for much of the first
two races, since we were ahead of all 4 boats that owed us time and
the one we owed time to was quite far back.

We need to work on some basic maneuvers, our tacks were not very good
and I always called the spinnaker douse early so as to get it down
clean before getting around the mark. At one point, the genoa wincher/
trimmer kept getting the sheet clinched (over-ride) on the winch and
they were ignoring my advice about how to avoid this problem... a
trial of patience for all concerned. At the end of the day, everybody
was talking about how much fun it was, so it couldn't have been too
bad.

The boat needs work too. I have a very fancy carbon/mylar 155% genoa
which I actually don't think is such a great sail, an equally fancy
kevlar scrim blade (about 110%) which does seem like a great sail, a
plain-jane dacron main (probably about 15 years old but has great
shape), and a blown-out red spinnaker. At some point we will spend
some money on new sails but in all honesty, I have other priorities
like rebedding all the deck hardware and building a new fore hatch
right now.

I replaced my genoa this year.... and I learned a big lesson.
I would never, ever, take the manufacturers standard sail kit
again.

You may remember that I posted a question about my "flapping
leech" 9 years ago. Well, as soon as I hoisted the new genoa
I realised that my previous sail had been a complete POS from day one.
The new sail just sets into a correct shape, even if there is no
wind.
I can point 5-10 degrees higher, AND the boat powers better.

My new jenny is made by Hood. I am not recommending
them in particular, but I am extremely happy with its
performance.



Regards


Donal
--


Damn... I wish we would have had an opportunity to get out on your boat last
we were there... maybe next time.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On 12 Sep, 03:23, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On 11 Sep, 02:59, wrote:
snip

First of all, I made several mistakes which cost us time. The start
sequences was not clear and I misjudged both the time & distance it
would take to circle. That cost us a bit less than a minute. The wind
was light and we got the boat accelerated & up to a close-hauled
course, on a long port tack. This was the favored side and the wind
gave us some luck, before long we had a pretty clear lead but I could
see patches of no wind, ahead & to leeward. It looked to me like we
were sailing out of our wind streak. So, even though it meant pointing
the boat about 90 degrees away from the mark, I tacked the boat and we
went about 4 or 5 minutes on starboard, out to the middle of the
river. Yes the wind was a bit stronger, but in a less favorable
direction... and the lulls I saw did not affect the other boats that
stayed on the same tack very much. The result was that we lost a place
and could not gain it back on the spinnaker run, we ended up in 2nd
place by about a minute corrected time. The winner was a San Juan 30
which was very well sailed.

Not a bad result. It reminds me of of a race that I was in a few
years
ago. We had a disastrous first leg in the "Round the Island" race.
By
the start of the second leg, we were at least 2, maybe 3 hours behind
the leaders. Instead of tacking along the SW coast of the Island in
a
SE wind, we went 7-8 miles offshore to do the leg in a single tack.
Our
gamble paid off big time, and we gained about two hours.

I can remember feeling almost lonely at times. We were in a race
with
about 2000 boats, and we couldn't see another boat! It felt really
weird.
Fortunately, it paid off. It could have easily gone the other way,
but as
we were already near the back of the fleet, it didn't matter.

The next day, we had some short round-the-bouys races and again I did
not get us very good starts. Still, we got up into the pack and the
rookie crew learned everything pretty cleanly. We did not do anything
fancy, no tacking duels, we didn't even pull the daggerboard up on the
short spinnaker runs. We ended up with a couple of close seconds and
one first. We were definitely first in our class for much of the first
two races, since we were ahead of all 4 boats that owed us time and
the one we owed time to was quite far back.

We need to work on some basic maneuvers, our tacks were not very good
and I always called the spinnaker douse early so as to get it down
clean before getting around the mark. At one point, the genoa wincher/
trimmer kept getting the sheet clinched (over-ride) on the winch and
they were ignoring my advice about how to avoid this problem... a
trial of patience for all concerned. At the end of the day, everybody
was talking about how much fun it was, so it couldn't have been too
bad.

The boat needs work too. I have a very fancy carbon/mylar 155% genoa
which I actually don't think is such a great sail, an equally fancy
kevlar scrim blade (about 110%) which does seem like a great sail, a
plain-jane dacron main (probably about 15 years old but has great
shape), and a blown-out red spinnaker. At some point we will spend
some money on new sails but in all honesty, I have other priorities
like rebedding all the deck hardware and building a new fore hatch
right now.

I replaced my genoa this year.... and I learned a big lesson.
I would never, ever, take the manufacturers standard sail kit
again.

You may remember that I posted a question about my "flapping
leech" 9 years ago. Well, as soon as I hoisted the new genoa
I realised that my previous sail had been a complete POS from day one.
The new sail just sets into a correct shape, even if there is no
wind.
I can point 5-10 degrees higher, AND the boat powers better.

My new jenny is made by Hood. I am not recommending
them in particular, but I am extremely happy with its
performance.

Regards

Donal
--

Damn... I wish we would have had an opportunity to get out on your boat last
we were there... maybe next time.


As you know, I would have enjoyed it too.

The amazing thing is that I am likely to take another asa
member out on Setanta this weekend.

This newsgroup actually does bring people together. I
may not have ever met Doug, or Haggie, but if I meet
someone who has met them, then I will feel a
kinnship with people who are very far away.



Donal
--

wrote in message
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On 12 Sep, 03:23, "Capt. JG" wrote:
wrote in message

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On 11 Sep, 02:59, wrote:
snip

First of all, I made several mistakes which cost us time. The start
sequences was not clear and I misjudged both the time & distance it
would take to circle. That cost us a bit less than a minute. The wind
was light and we got the boat accelerated & up to a close-hauled
course, on a long port tack. This was the favored side and the wind
gave us some luck, before long we had a pretty clear lead but I could
see patches of no wind, ahead & to leeward. It looked to me like we
were sailing out of our wind streak. So, even though it meant pointing
the boat about 90 degrees away from the mark, I tacked the boat and we
went about 4 or 5 minutes on starboard, out to the middle of the
river. Yes the wind was a bit stronger, but in a less favorable
direction... and the lulls I saw did not affect the other boats that
stayed on the same tack very much. The result was that we lost a place
and could not gain it back on the spinnaker run, we ended up in 2nd
place by about a minute corrected time. The winner was a San Juan 30
which was very well sailed.

Not a bad result. It reminds me of of a race that I was in a few
years
ago. We had a disastrous first leg in the "Round the Island" race.
By
the start of the second leg, we were at least 2, maybe 3 hours behind
the leaders. Instead of tacking along the SW coast of the Island in
a
SE wind, we went 7-8 miles offshore to do the leg in a single tack.
Our
gamble paid off big time, and we gained about two hours.

I can remember feeling almost lonely at times. We were in a race
with
about 2000 boats, and we couldn't see another boat! It felt really
weird.
Fortunately, it paid off. It could have easily gone the other way,
but as
we were already near the back of the fleet, it didn't matter.

The next day, we had some short round-the-bouys races and again I did
not get us very good starts. Still, we got up into the pack and the
rookie crew learned everything pretty cleanly. We did not do anything
fancy, no tacking duels, we didn't even pull the daggerboard up on the
short spinnaker runs. We ended up with a couple of close seconds and
one first. We were definitely first in our class for much of the first
two races, since we were ahead of all 4 boats that owed us time and
the one we owed time to was quite far back.

We need to work on some basic maneuvers, our tacks were not very good
and I always called the spinnaker douse early so as to get it down
clean before getting around the mark. At one point, the genoa wincher/
trimmer kept getting the sheet clinched (over-ride) on the winch and
they were ignoring my advice about how to avoid this problem... a
trial of patience for all concerned. At the end of the day, everybody
was talking about how much fun it was, so it couldn't have been too
bad.

The boat needs work too. I have a very fancy carbon/mylar 155% genoa
which I actually don't think is such a great sail, an equally fancy
kevlar scrim blade (about 110%) which does seem like a great sail, a
plain-jane dacron main (probably about 15 years old but has great
shape), and a blown-out red spinnaker. At some point we will spend
some money on new sails but in all honesty, I have other priorities
like rebedding all the deck hardware and building a new fore hatch
right now.

I replaced my genoa this year.... and I learned a big lesson.
I would never, ever, take the manufacturers standard sail kit
again.

You may remember that I posted a question about my "flapping
leech" 9 years ago. Well, as soon as I hoisted the new genoa
I realised that my previous sail had been a complete POS from day one.
The new sail just sets into a correct shape, even if there is no
wind.
I can point 5-10 degrees higher, AND the boat powers better.

My new jenny is made by Hood. I am not recommending
them in particular, but I am extremely happy with its
performance.

Regards

Donal
--

Damn... I wish we would have had an opportunity to get out on your boat
last
we were there... maybe next time.


As you know, I would have enjoyed it too.

The amazing thing is that I am likely to take another asa
member out on Setanta this weekend.

This newsgroup actually does bring people together. I
may not have ever met Doug, or Haggie, but if I meet
someone who has met them, then I will feel a
kinnship with people who are very far away.



I agree... never met Haggie, but I can vouch for Doug. I hope it's not
Bubbles! That would disturb me.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On 13 Sep, 02:41, "Capt. JG" wrote:
wrote in message

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On 12 Sep, 03:23, "Capt. JG" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On 11 Sep, 02:59, wrote:
snip

First of all, I made several mistakes which cost us time. The start
sequences was not clear and I misjudged both the time & distance it
would take to circle. That cost us a bit less than a minute. The wind
was light and we got the boat accelerated & up to a close-hauled
course, on a long port tack. This was the favored side and the wind
gave us some luck, before long we had a pretty clear lead but I could
see patches of no wind, ahead & to leeward. It looked to me like we
were sailing out of our wind streak. So, even though it meant pointing
the boat about 90 degrees away from the mark, I tacked the boat and we
went about 4 or 5 minutes on starboard, out to the middle of the
river. Yes the wind was a bit stronger, but in a less favorable
direction... and the lulls I saw did not affect the other boats that
stayed on the same tack very much. The result was that we lost a place
and could not gain it back on the spinnaker run, we ended up in 2nd
place by about a minute corrected time. The winner was a San Juan 30
which was very well sailed.

Not a bad result. It reminds me of of a race that I was in a few
years
ago. We had a disastrous first leg in the "Round the Island" race.
By
the start of the second leg, we were at least 2, maybe 3 hours behind
the leaders. Instead of tacking along the SW coast of the Island in
a
SE wind, we went 7-8 miles offshore to do the leg in a single tack.
Our
gamble paid off big time, and we gained about two hours.

I can remember feeling almost lonely at times. We were in a race
with
about 2000 boats, and we couldn't see another boat! It felt really
weird.
Fortunately, it paid off. It could have easily gone the other way,
but as
we were already near the back of the fleet, it didn't matter.

The next day, we had some short round-the-bouys races and again I did
not get us very good starts. Still, we got up into the pack and the
rookie crew learned everything pretty cleanly. We did not do anything
fancy, no tacking duels, we didn't even pull the daggerboard up on the
short spinnaker runs. We ended up with a couple of close seconds and
one first. We were definitely first in our class for much of the first
two races, since we were ahead of all 4 boats that owed us time and
the one we owed time to was quite far back.

We need to work on some basic maneuvers, our tacks were not very good
and I always called the spinnaker douse early so as to get it down
clean before getting around the mark. At one point, the genoa wincher/
trimmer kept getting the sheet clinched (over-ride) on the winch and
they were ignoring my advice about how to avoid this problem... a
trial of patience for all concerned. At the end of the day, everybody
was talking about how much fun it was, so it couldn't have been too
bad.

The boat needs work too. I have a very fancy carbon/mylar 155% genoa
which I actually don't think is such a great sail, an equally fancy
kevlar scrim blade (about 110%) which does seem like a great sail, a
plain-jane dacron main (probably about 15 years old but has great
shape), and a blown-out red spinnaker. At some point we will spend
some money on new sails but in all honesty, I have other priorities
like rebedding all the deck hardware and building a new fore hatch
right now.

I replaced my genoa this year.... and I learned a big lesson.
I would never, ever, take the manufacturers standard sail kit
again.

You may remember that I posted a question about my "flapping
leech" 9 years ago. Well, as soon as I hoisted the new genoa
I realised that my previous sail had been a complete POS from day one.
The new sail just sets into a correct shape, even if there is no
wind.
I can point 5-10 degrees higher, AND the boat powers better.

My new jenny is made by Hood. I am not recommending
them in particular, but I am extremely happy with its
performance.

Regards

Donal
--

Damn... I wish we would have had an opportunity to get out on your boat
last
we were there... maybe next time.

As you know, I would have enjoyed it too.

The amazing thing is that I am likely to take another asa
member out on Setanta this weekend.

This newsgroup actually does bring people together. I
may not have ever met Doug, or Haggie, but if I meet
someone who has met them, then I will feel a
kinnship with people who are very far away.

I agree... never met Haggie, but I can vouch for Doug. I hope it's not
Bubbles! That would disturb me.

It isn't Bob. Although, I would be happy to meet Bob. I'm
very thick skinned, and I respect the contributions of all
the regular asa posters. This isn't meant to sound
pompous, but this is a rather freindly group of people
who share an interest in sailing. I feel honoured to be
accepted by such a diverse group.

Anyway, that is enough of the sentimental twaddle.

Tomorrow I shall go sailing with an old(asa) hand, and I
think that this shows that this group does have real
value.


Regards


Donal
--

wrote:
Tomorrow I shall go sailing with an old(asa) hand, *and I
think that this shows that this group does have real
value.


I know, I know!!!

And Donal, even though this group has slowed way way down here in
cyber-ASA-land, we're all still going onward and I feel very glad to
have met many of the regular group. And friends in the real world are
worth having!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

wrote in message
..
:
: I know, I know!!!
:
: And Donal, even though this group has slowed way way down here in
: cyber-ASA-land, we're all still going onward and I feel very glad to
: have met many of the regular group. And friends in the real world are
: worth having!
:
: Fresh Breezes- Doug King


If you can abide having rabble as friends. . .

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
..
:
: I know, I know!!!
:
: And Donal, even though this group has slowed way way down here in
: cyber-ASA-land, we're all still going onward and I feel very glad to
: have met many of the regular group. And friends in the real world are
: worth having!
:
: Fresh Breezes- Doug King


If you can abide having rabble as friends. . .

Wilbur Hubbard


Well, Neal, they are generally the best kind... sort of a Groucho thing.

Cheers
Marty, friend to the rabble(rousers)

On 14 Sep, 18:28, wrote:
wrote:
Tomorrow I shall go sailing with an old(asa) hand, and I
think that this shows that this group does have real
value.

I know, I know!!!

And Donal, even though this group has slowed way way down here in
cyber-ASA-land, we're all still going onward and I feel very glad to
have met many of the regular group. And friends in the real world are
worth having!

Well, I suppose that I should describe my day.


Bart arrived 30 minutes later than expected. This didn't
matter too much, as the tides this weekend meant that
we couldn't go anywhere anyway. The Solent is funny
that way.

We went out across the Solent, choosing a course which
kept the breeze on our beam This meant that our return
journey would also have the wind on the beam. For much
of the trip the wind was about 13 kts, which is just
perfect for Setanta. She lifted her skirts and danced along
without any effort in the sail trimming department.
We sailed for about 3 hours.

This summer has been absolutely awful. I have only had
4-5 weekends of sailing before today. Each of them was
in uncomfortable conditions (F5+ either on the nose, or up
the backside). Today was lovely, and I really wasn't bothered
about getting the very best out of the boat.. The wind was
right, the boat liked the conditions, and we talked. We didn't
trim the sails for that last 0.1 of a knot. We just chilled out
as the breeze powered the boat along. Setanta really likes
13 kts on the beam.

I've now met two members of ASA, and it just makes me realise
how lucky I am to have stumbled into such a group. Where are
Scotty and Katy?

Regards


Donal
--

wrote in message
...
On 14 Sep, 18:28, wrote:
wrote:
Tomorrow I shall go sailing with an old(asa) hand, and I
think that this shows that this group does have real
value.

I know, I know!!!

And Donal, even though this group has slowed way way down here in
cyber-ASA-land, we're all still going onward and I feel very glad to
have met many of the regular group. And friends in the real world are
worth having!

Well, I suppose that I should describe my day.


Bart arrived 30 minutes later than expected. This didn't
matter too much, as the tides this weekend meant that
we couldn't go anywhere anyway. The Solent is funny
that way.

We went out across the Solent, choosing a course which
kept the breeze on our beam This meant that our return
journey would also have the wind on the beam. For much
of the trip the wind was about 13 kts, which is just
perfect for Setanta. She lifted her skirts and danced along
without any effort in the sail trimming department.
We sailed for about 3 hours.

This summer has been absolutely awful. I have only had
4-5 weekends of sailing before today. Each of them was
in uncomfortable conditions (F5+ either on the nose, or up
the backside). Today was lovely, and I really wasn't bothered
about getting the very best out of the boat.. The wind was
right, the boat liked the conditions, and we talked. We didn't
trim the sails for that last 0.1 of a knot. We just chilled out
as the breeze powered the boat along. Setanta really likes
13 kts on the beam.

I've now met two members of ASA, and it just makes me realise
how lucky I am to have stumbled into such a group. Where are
Scotty and Katy?

Regards



Ah yes... Bart... great guy, excellent sailor. I've met several ASAers...
four or five and actually talked with a few more.

I think Scoots is around somewhere. Haven't heard from Katy in a while.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

wrote:
We went out across the Solent, *choosing a course which
kept the breeze on our beam *This meant that our return
journey would also have the wind on the beam.

Good planning... but it wouldn't necessarily mean that around here

.... *For much
of the trip the wind was about 13 kts, *which is just
perfect for Setanta. *She lifted her skirts and danced along
without any effort in the sail trimming department.
We sailed for about 3 hours.


That sounds great. I'm looking forward to hearing Bart's report also.



I've now met two members of ASA, and it just makes me realise
how lucky I am to have stumbled into such a group. *Where are
Scotty and Katy?


Katysails is OK, she & Mr Sails are doing some traveling & visiting
family.

Regards- Doug King