On 5 Sep 2008 10:57:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:24:16 -0500, "Rizzo" said:

I didn't hear anything that was close to ADMITTING what most
people have known for some time.

Can't give you the exact quote, but it was something like "the surge has
succeeded beyond my wildest expectations." Anyone who has been following his
pronouncements should immediately recognize that as a 180 about face from
his earlier predictions that the surge would never work, and his later
"well, the Sunnis and the Shias still haven't started sitting down together
and singing cumbya."

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Actually, I disagree with Obama on this anyway. The surge quelled
violence that we instigated, but did not accomplish the stated
mission. So it did "something", but it didn't do what it set out to
do. I don't call that success, regardless of who wants to say,
"Mission Accomplished".