Vic Smith wrote in
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
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AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter.

We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.

I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.
If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.
A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew
for Viet Nam and I volunteered.
They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that
hazardous duty pay.
Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.

--Vic


Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all
the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense
contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.?

Duty - Honor - Country had nothing to do with it. America was never
attacked by a single Vietnamese until Americans entered the whorehouses
in Saigon. Vietnam was about SUSTAINED WAR so the Bankers of the Federal
Reserve Private Bank could loan out billions of dollars at awful interest
to the Federal Government to burn with defense contractors....EXACTLY
what Dwight Eisenhower warned us about as he left the White House....

......as is all the wars the Bush-BinLaden family billionaires are running
today....

Money and Murder and Israel ....plain and simple.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 04:12:39 +0000, Larry wrote:

Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all
the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense
contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.?

Too far off track for here, Larry. E-mail if you really want my
response.

--Vic

Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in
:

On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
:

AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter.
We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.
I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.
If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.
A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew
for Viet Nam and I volunteered.
They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that
hazardous duty pay.
Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.

--Vic


Do you still think Vietnam was about defending America, even after all
the exposed lies like Gulf of Tonkin, McNamara's bankers and defense
contractor friends, political payoffs, dirty tricks, etc.?

Duty - Honor - Country had nothing to do with it. America was never
attacked by a single Vietnamese until Americans entered the whorehouses
in Saigon. Vietnam was about SUSTAINED WAR so the Bankers of the Federal
Reserve Private Bank could loan out billions of dollars at awful interest
to the Federal Government to burn with defense contractors....EXACTLY
what Dwight Eisenhower warned us about as he left the White House....

.....as is all the wars the Bush-BinLaden family billionaires are running
today....

Money and Murder and Israel ....plain and simple.


Paranoia is one of the first steps of several brain disorders
including Alshiemers.
I know this was misspelled, but right click on the word and see what
the spell checker brings up!
G

I was at Treasure Island, in electronics "A" school when JFK got it.
Joined to get away from what I knew.


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:29:11 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
m:

AFAIK it's a better Navy today. Smarter.

We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.

I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.
If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.
A couple years into my Navy time there was a call for Swift boat crew
for Viet Nam and I volunteered.
They didn't want boilermen on Swift boats, so I never scored that
hazardous duty pay.
Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.

--Vic

We were just prisoners....volunteer prisoners avoiding the Vietnam Army
draft.

That's one "exit strategy," I guess.

Vic Smith wrote in
I enlisted in the Navy when I was 16, about a month before JFK was
shot. Everything was done but the oath taking.
Took the oath and was in boot camp all in one day a couple months
later, the day after my 17th birthday.
My ma wouldn't let me go on my birthday.
Viet Nam and the draft had nothing to do with it.
I never had a draft card.

Well, you guys are older than me... it's a different world now. I
joined up in 1979 during the Carter Recession, when the employment
section of a major metropolitan newspaper was less than 2 columns.
There were not "Help Wanted" signs on every fast-food joint & gas
station. If there were, I would not have enlisted. As it was, I took
the Navy over the Air Force because they could take me in sooner.


If Viet Nam had been hot when I turned 17 I probably would have joined
the Marines to fight commies.

My cousin, a few years older than me, elected to join the Marines when
his draft number came up.

MIA

I still have a copper bracelet with his name, rank, & service #; but
nowadays I only wear it to family occasions where people know what
it's for.


Like I said, smarter Navy today. Mostly due to better education,
better training, and fewer 17 year-olds.
And not a one of them is dodging the draft.


Agreed. And the military has learned different methods to socialize
young people to the task of being in the service.


"jlrogers±³©" wrote:
I was at Treasure Island, in electronics "A" school when JFK got it.
Joined to get away from what I knew.


Can't recall where I was when the Embassy people were taken hostage in
Tehran. It was certainly an "oh ****, here we go" feeling that went on
for a long time.

Regards-
Doug King, ex-BT1(SW)

On Fri, 16 May 2008 05:45:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Well, you guys are older than me... it's a different world now. I
joined up in 1979 during the Carter Recession, when the employment
section of a major metropolitan newspaper was less than 2 columns.
There were not "Help Wanted" signs on every fast-food joint & gas
station. If there were, I would not have enlisted. As it was, I took
the Navy over the Air Force because they could take me in sooner.

And it's a different world now than in 1979 too. About 30 years ago
one my brothers, 5 years younger than me, clued me in when he told me
we were in different generations. There's probably a new one every
year now.
BTW, the worst unemployment since the Great Depression was in 82-83.
The Reagan Depression.
You were the Navy and missed it.

--Vic