"JimC" wrote in message
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Note also that I didn't say that they are routinely sailed offshore in
difficult conditions. - I merely stated that if Joe had been on a Mac26,
with its positive floatation, I thought his boat would have stayed afloat,
permitting him to recover it rather than having it sink to the floor of
the Gulf of Mexico.

Key phrase "I thought." You done thunked wrong.


Please note that it wasn't me who initiated the assertions that the Mac
would break up and sink (or roll over and over like a washing machine) in
heavy weather conditions. - It was Ganz, and a few of his Mac-baching
buddies.

It's a vast Mac-bashing conspiracy! Alert the media.

Please produce some evidence that it wouldn't roll over and over creating
the effect of being in a washing machine if you were below decks.

MY ASSERTION WAS THAT NEITHER GANZ, OR ANY OF HIS MAC-BASHING BUDDIES,
HAVE PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE MAC WOULD BREAK UP AND SINK IN HEAVY
WEATHER CONDITIONS.

Please say it a bit louder. We can't HEAR YOU!

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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
t...

Note also that I didn't say that they are routinely sailed offshore in
difficult conditions. - I merely stated that if Joe had been on a Mac26,
with its positive floatation, I thought his boat would have stayed afloat,
permitting him to recover it rather than having it sink to the floor of
the Gulf of Mexico.


Key phrase "I thought." You done thunked wrong.

In your opinion, of course.


Please note that it wasn't me who initiated the assertions that the Mac
would break up and sink (or roll over and over like a washing machine) in
heavy weather conditions. - It was Ganz, and a few of his Mac-baching
buddies.


It's a vast Mac-bashing conspiracy! Alert the media.

Please produce some evidence that it wouldn't roll over and over creating
the effect of being in a washing machine if you were below decks.

Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.


MY ASSERTION WAS THAT NEITHER GANZ, OR ANY OF HIS MAC-BASHING BUDDIES,
HAVE PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE MAC WOULD BREAK UP AND SINK IN HEAVY
WEATHER CONDITIONS.


Please say it a bit louder. We can't HEAR YOU!

If you hear me, then why don't you respond to my statement? Why do you
insist on running down all those tangents and rabbit trails?


Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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In your opinion, of course.

As opposed to??

Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.

That's what happens when a boat is dismasted and starts to roll in heavy
seas. It sometimes only rolls once, but is just as likely to roll over and
over. Are you disputing this?

If you hear me, then why don't you respond to my statement? Why do you
insist on running down all those tangents and rabbit trails?

Like the poor quality of the Mac rig?


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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In your opinion, of course.


As opposed to??


Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.


That's what happens when a boat is dismasted and starts to roll in heavy
seas. It sometimes only rolls once, but is just as likely to roll over and
over. Are you disputing this?


Seems to me we have been through this issue already, Ganz. - My point is
that you have no evidence whatsoever as to whether or not a Mac 26M,
with sea anchor deployed, would have rolled, much less roll over and
over and over like a washing machine.


Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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In your opinion, of course.


As opposed to??


Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.


That's what happens when a boat is dismasted and starts to roll in heavy
seas. It sometimes only rolls once, but is just as likely to roll over
and over. Are you disputing this?


Seems to me we have been through this issue already, Ganz. - My point is
that you have no evidence whatsoever as to whether or not a Mac 26M, with
sea anchor deployed, would have rolled, much less roll over and over and
over like a washing machine.


Jim


I have plenty of evidence, but you don't want to hear it.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

wrote:

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:01:03 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote:


"JimC" wrote in message
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In your opinion, of course.

As opposed to??


Since it was you, and not me. who introduced that weird assertion about
the Mac rolling over and over again like a washing machine, I'll let you
provide the "evidence" to support your assertion, Ganz. It's your baby.
All I ask is that you tend to your baby appropriately.


The Mac would be far more prone to this than a real sailboat with a real keel,

Clarification: Your opinion, not mine. Your opinion unsupported by any
evidence.

yet even those boats with all that counterweight opposing it, do this. The only
difference is that they have a greater likelyhood of self righting before you
drown. The mac would be slow to right itself, if it could even do so.

Again, your opinion. - Actually, the Mac26M becomes increasingly stiff
as it begins to heel. And in the unlikely event the it did begin to
roll, floatation built into the mast would supplement the two ballast
systems. (Oh, I forgot. According to Ganz, the boat would have been
dismasted by this time.) Again, your opinion, unsupported by anything.


Remember
that there is more than one wave out there. The forst one rolled you, and the
next 50 of them want to keep you from coming back up.


Thanks for that helpful bit of information Salty.

Jim