"JimC" wrote in message
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I think your problem is that you are judging the rigging and hardware of
the Mac on the basis of what's required with a much heavier boat. The
requirements simply aren't the same for a small, 4,000 lb. boat. See also
my note above concerning forming a bridle for accommodating the sea
anchor.

Jim


No. He's judging it on the basis of what's a decent rig.

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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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I think your problem is that you are judging the rigging and hardware of
the Mac on the basis of what's required with a much heavier boat. The
requirements simply aren't the same for a small, 4,000 lb. boat. See also
my note above concerning forming a bridle for accommodating the sea
anchor.

Jim



No. He's judging it on the basis of what's a decent rig.

A "decent rig" for a 69-foot Swan, or a 40-ft Valiant or a 39-ft O'Day,
is not the same thing as a "decent rig" for a 26-ft boat displacing
4,000 pounds.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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I think your problem is that you are judging the rigging and hardware of
the Mac on the basis of what's required with a much heavier boat. The
requirements simply aren't the same for a small, 4,000 lb. boat. See also
my note above concerning forming a bridle for accommodating the sea
anchor.

Jim



No. He's judging it on the basis of what's a decent rig.

A "decent rig" for a 69-foot Swan, or a 40-ft Valiant or a 39-ft O'Day, is
not the same thing as a "decent rig" for a 26-ft boat displacing 4,000
pounds.

Jim



I agree! However, the rigs for Mac26s, which I've seen, are not adequate for
anything other than light air. I have a Sabre 30, with a displacement of
about twice that. The standing rigging is substantial... more than what
would normally be required... why... because it's designed for real coastal
cruising.


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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:


"JimC" wrote in message
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I think your problem is that you are judging the rigging and hardware of
the Mac on the basis of what's required with a much heavier boat. The
requirements simply aren't the same for a small, 4,000 lb. boat. See also
my note above concerning forming a bridle for accommodating the sea
anchor.

Jim



No. He's judging it on the basis of what's a decent rig.

A "decent rig" for a 69-foot Swan, or a 40-ft Valiant or a 39-ft O'Day, is
not the same thing as a "decent rig" for a 26-ft boat displacing 4,000
pounds.

Jim



I agree! However, the rigs for Mac26s, which I've seen, are not adequate for
anything other than light air. I have a Sabre 30, with a displacement of
about twice that. The standing rigging is substantial... more than what
would normally be required... why... because it's designed for real coastal
cruising.


Good for you Ganz. Hope you continue to enjoy sailing your Sabre.

As to whether or not the Mac26M rigging is adequate FOR THE MAC 26M for
coastal cruising, it would of course be more relevant if you could post
the results of some scientifically based evaluations, involving actual
tests of the MAC26M rigging under sail, instead of merely posting more
of your obviously biased personal opinions.

Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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I agree! However, the rigs for Mac26s, which I've seen, are not adequate
for anything other than light air. I have a Sabre 30, with a displacement
of about twice that. The standing rigging is substantial... more than
what would normally be required... why... because it's designed for real
coastal cruising.


Good for you Ganz. Hope you continue to enjoy sailing your Sabre.

I shall. Thanks.

I have no doubt that you enjoy sailing your Mac. That, of course, isn't the
issue being discussed, since I'm pretty sure there are people out there who
enjoy sailing on cruise liners. I doubt they're designed for small inland
lakes, but I'm sure you can find someone who disagrees with that also.

As to whether or not the Mac26M rigging is adequate FOR THE MAC 26M for
coastal cruising, it would of course be more relevant if you could post
the results of some scientifically based evaluations, involving actual
tests of the MAC26M rigging under sail, instead of merely posting more of
your obviously biased personal opinions.

Jim

You're right. I biased when it comes to safety. I've only been sailing for
40 years, so I guess I'll just have to rely on my experience with sailboats
of various sizes and qualities. But, feel free to post some example of Macs
surviving storm conditions. So far, all we've seen are your obviously biased
personal assurances that everything will just be fine.


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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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I agree! However, the rigs for Mac26s, which I've seen, are not adequate
for anything other than light air. I have a Sabre 30, with a displacement
of about twice that. The standing rigging is substantial... more than
what would normally be required... why... because it's designed for real
coastal cruising.


Good for you Ganz. Hope you continue to enjoy sailing your Sabre.


I shall. Thanks.

I have no doubt that you enjoy sailing your Mac. That, of course, isn't the
issue being discussed, since I'm pretty sure there are people out there who
enjoy sailing on cruise liners. I doubt they're designed for small inland
lakes, but I'm sure you can find someone who disagrees with that also.


As to whether or not the Mac26M rigging is adequate FOR THE MAC 26M for
coastal cruising, it would of course be more relevant if you could post
the results of some scientifically based evaluations, involving actual
tests of the MAC26M rigging under sail, instead of merely posting more of
your obviously biased personal opinions.

Jim


You're right. I biased

I biased Ganz?


when it comes to safety. I've only been sailing for
40 years,


I have 45 years, on a variety of boats of varying sizes.
so I guess I'll just have to rely on my experience with sailboats
of various sizes and qualities. But, feel free to post some example of Macs
surviving storm conditions. So far, all we've seen are your obviously biased
personal assurances that everything will just be fine.



Once again, if I had come on this ng stating that the Mac was suitable
for sailing offshore in heavy weather, I might feel some obligation to
provide more exampls. But I didn't, so I don't.


Jim

"JimC" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
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I agree! However, the rigs for Mac26s, which I've seen, are not adequate
for anything other than light air. I have a Sabre 30, with a
displacement of about twice that. The standing rigging is substantial...
more than what would normally be required... why... because it's
designed for real coastal cruising.


Good for you Ganz. Hope you continue to enjoy sailing your Sabre.


I shall. Thanks.

I have no doubt that you enjoy sailing your Mac. That, of course, isn't
the issue being discussed, since I'm pretty sure there are people out
there who enjoy sailing on cruise liners. I doubt they're designed for
small inland lakes, but I'm sure you can find someone who disagrees with
that also.


As to whether or not the Mac26M rigging is adequate FOR THE MAC 26M for
coastal cruising, it would of course be more relevant if you could post
the results of some scientifically based evaluations, involving actual
tests of the MAC26M rigging under sail, instead of merely posting more
of your obviously biased personal opinions.

Jim


You're right. I biased

I biased Ganz?


when it comes to safety. I've only been sailing for
40 years,


I have 45 years, on a variety of boats of varying sizes.
so I guess I'll just have to rely on my experience with sailboats
of various sizes and qualities. But, feel free to post some example of
Macs surviving storm conditions. So far, all we've seen are your
obviously biased personal assurances that everything will just be fine.



Once again, if I had come on this ng stating that the Mac was suitable for
sailing offshore in heavy weather, I might feel some obligation to provide
more exampls. But I didn't, so I don't.


Jim


Ah, falling back on typoism again. Well, ok. Good for you. You claimed the
mac won't sink because it has positive floatation. Please prove it.


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