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jakeraker wrote:
What you have is side-by-side vs. something like this?

http://www.tuffluff.com/images/6008_foil.gif


That looks like the old luff foil, which had several crimps in it.
What I have now is nothing.

More halyards are better... you might lose one.


Up to a point. It's difficult and it weakens the mast to add internal
halyards, plus there are limited options on where to lead them.

Couldn't the lower spin halyard be used as a jib halyard in a pinch?

Cheers
Marty

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jakeraker wrote:
What you have is side-by-side vs. something like this?

http://www.tuffluff.com/images/6008_foil.gif


That looks like the old luff foil, which had several crimps in it.
What I have now is nothing.

More halyards are better... you might lose one.


Up to a point. It's difficult and it weakens the mast to add internal
halyards, plus there are limited options on where to lead them.

Couldn't the lower spin halyard be used as a jib halyard in a pinch?

Cheers
Marty


I imagine so.. better than nothing.

Up to a point is certainly true... I don't think one extra would make that
much difference, unless it's truly a room issue inside the mast. Why not
just replace the foil with a new, old one similar to what shows in the
picture. That would solve (mostly) the windage issue and you can still have
two.

What do you have to do inside the mast that would weaken it when you add an
internal halyard?

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"Martin Baxter" wrote
Couldn't the lower spin halyard be used as a jib halyard in a pinch?



"Capt. JG" wrote:
I imagine so.. better than nothing.


Yep... seems obvious once stated, but I hadn't thought of it... it
would be a good idea to try it out dockside, and see what issues there
are with geometry & chafe etc.


What do you have to do inside the mast that would weaken it when you add an
internal halyard?


It's not inside the mast, it's cutting into it to mount hardware.
Every internal halyard needs two big holes to go in (usually with a
turning block mounted) & out, plus some smaller holes for fasteners.
It cuts the tension wall (front face) of the mast and reduces the
section.

I don't know the technical specs on my mast & it's section, so I have
no idea how close to the limit it is. The tuning guide suggests
initial tension of 700# on the upper shrouds which strikes me as a
heck of a lot for a 23' boat.

DSK

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"Martin Baxter" wrote
Couldn't the lower spin halyard be used as a jib halyard in a pinch?



"Capt. JG" wrote:
I imagine so.. better than nothing.


Yep... seems obvious once stated, but I hadn't thought of it... it
would be a good idea to try it out dockside, and see what issues there
are with geometry & chafe etc.


What do you have to do inside the mast that would weaken it when you add
an
internal halyard?


It's not inside the mast, it's cutting into it to mount hardware.
Every internal halyard needs two big holes to go in (usually with a
turning block mounted) & out, plus some smaller holes for fasteners.
It cuts the tension wall (front face) of the mast and reduces the
section.

I don't know the technical specs on my mast & it's section, so I have
no idea how close to the limit it is. The tuning guide suggests
initial tension of 700# on the upper shrouds which strikes me as a
heck of a lot for a 23' boat.

DSK


It seems a bit high, but not extraordinarily so... J-24 uppers are in the
500 range I believe... but doesn't it depend on the expected wind speed?

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