"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

And my calls for a Lief Ericson Day continue to fall on deaf ears.


You mean you don't celebrate it in the East Coast??? Sheesh

Clearly evidence of deeply engrained racism with respect to Scandinavian
Americans.


Heh..

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:20:59 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

And my calls for a Lief Ericson Day continue to fall on deaf ears.


You mean you don't celebrate it in the East Coast??? Sheesh

Clearly evidence of deeply engrained racism with respect to Scandinavian
Americans.


Heh..



I forgot to add... some of my best friends are Scandinavian.

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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:54:48 -0500, Martin Baxter said:

Now Red Cloud was longer, of steel rather than fiberglass
and engaged in commercial operation, surely of more value than a toy
used for the diversions of the rich?
Um...Marty, how do you throw adjectives like "the rich" into a value
equation. Is there some calculus by which you can determine how much more a
poor man's boat is worth than that of a rich man?
Ah, now Dave I think you're merely being disingenuous, rather than
merely simple.
Simply pointing out that you're spouting populist nonsense.

You live in a nice world Dave. I suppose that in your world the US
Justice system treats the indigenous and the coloured in the same way it
treats whites and rich?

Ah, a new variation on the populist theme. You seem to play the theme like a
Bach fugue, this time in the key of race.


You know Dave, simply because a widely held does not make it untrue,
quite the opposite in most cases.

Likening anything I do to a Bach fugue is quite an insult to Bach's
genius, but thanks anyway.

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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You know Dave, simply because a widely held does not make it untrue, quite
the opposite in most cases.


Cheers
Marty

I agree. For example, racial stereotypes are based upon elements of truth.
Making them less widely held beliefs does not make them untrue.

I don't see much causation and very little correlation between belief and
truth.

Take the belief that man is causing global warming. Models used to justify
man as the cause show several degrees warming in the next 100 years. Models
using sunspot numbers based upon past evidence predict a large cooling over
the same period: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._longrange.htm
.. Earth temperatureand solar activity have been shown to be correlated
over hundreds of years of data. Man caused global warming models seem to
work only in the future, but right now they are the popular belief. Man
caused global warming models could be made more accurate by assuming the sun
rotates around the earth as well as all other heavenly bodies, a very
popular belief held by many over a long period of time. Accurate
measurements may show the contrary about the movements of the heavens but
that can be resolved by changing the properties of time and space. Adding an
anthropomorphic element such as man's observation of the universe changing
events that happens millions of years in the past, millions of light years
away may help also. To some this may sound a bit silly, but to those
practiced in the art:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-universe.html
it is a plausible belief. The underlying cause of such irrational
non-thinking is the discarding of truth and methodology and the rise of
using any means to justify desired outcome. This type of non-thinking
permeates leftist politics, has crept into the soft sciences and now is
making inroads into the hard sciences.

That guy wasn't a total failure when it comes to sailing like you are, Joe!

Wilbur Hubbard


"Joe" wrote in message
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MIAMI - The crew of the Coast Guard Cutter Farallon is towing the
disabled 37-foot sailing vessel Hot Ticket Thursday evening and is
expected to arrive in Key West, Fla., at noon Friday.

The Cutter Farallon arrived on scene at approximately 6 p.m. Thursday
after battling 10 to 12-foot seas for more than 10 hours in response
to a distress call from the Hot Ticket, which became disabled
approximately 130 miles southwest of Fort Myers Beach, Fla., Wednesday
afternoon.

The crew of the sailing vessel Hot Ticket activated their emergency
position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) Wednesday afternoon when they
lost steering and the vessel began to take on water. The EPIRB signal
was received by search and rescue coordinators at the Eighth Coast
Guard District Command Center in New Orleans. Eighth District
controllers then contacted the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration's U.S. Mission Control Center in Suitland, Md., to
obtain the Hot Ticket's position from the agency's Cospas-Sarsat
program satellites. Controllers at the Seventh Coast Guard District
were then notified of the case. The position of the Hot Ticket was
also checked against information passed by the captain to a friend
during a satellite phone call.

SAR coordinators at the Seventh Coast Guard District in Miami took
control of the rescue, directing the launch of an HH-60 Jayhawk
helicopter from Coast Guard Air Station Clearwater, Fla. Moments
later, the Atlantic Area Command Center received an alert from the
cruise ship Grandeur of the Seas that relayed a mayday call from the
Hot Ticket. In the mayday call the crew stated they had lost a rudder,
were slowly taking on water and their satellite phone was no longer
working.

Two HC-130 Hercules aircraft from Air Station Clearwater and an HU-25
Falcon jet from Air Station Miami flew missions to remain with the Hot
Ticket throughout Wednesday evening and until shortly before the
Farallon rendezvoused with the Hot Ticket Thursday afternoon.