In article , Martin Baxter wrote:
Bart wrote:
Trip Report: Mystic to St Thomas Hanse 400 delivery

For the most part it was an uneventful trip. I'll post some
links to pictures/video's when I get some more time.

Thanks for the report Bart, interesting and informitive as always.

BTW, what were you doing visiting Bermuda, a bit risky considering they
have universal health coverage and all.....;-)

Joking aside, do you have medical insurance for places that don't have automatic coverage?

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Martin Baxter wrote:
Bart wrote:
Trip Report: Mystic to St Thomas Hanse 400 delivery

For the most part it was an uneventful trip. I'll post some
links to pictures/video's when I get some more time.
Thanks for the report Bart, interesting and informitive as always.

BTW, what were you doing visiting Bermuda, a bit risky considering they
have universal health coverage and all.....;-)

Joking aside, do you have medical insurance for places that don't have automatic coverage


Yes, with limitations. Our health insurance is Federally mandated, but
Provincialy implimented, in my case that's OHIP (Ontario Health
Insurance Program). There are limitations though, generally OHIP won't
pay any more than what they'd pay in Canada, which works fine if you're
in most countries. It is woefully lacking if you get sick in the US;
most people take out additional private coverage if they're journying to
the US for any length of time.

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Martin Baxter
wrote:
Bart wrote:
Trip Report: Mystic to St Thomas Hanse 400 delivery

For the most part it was an uneventful trip. I'll post some
links to pictures/video's when I get some more time.
Thanks for the report Bart, interesting and informitive as always.

BTW, what were you doing visiting Bermuda, a bit risky considering they
have universal health coverage and all.....;-)

Joking aside, do you have medical insurance for places that don't have
automatic coverage


Yes, with limitations. Our health insurance is Federally mandated, but
Provincialy implimented, in my case that's OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance
Program). There are limitations though, generally OHIP won't pay any more
than what they'd pay in Canada, which works fine if you're in most
countries. It is woefully lacking if you get sick in the US; most people
take out additional private coverage if they're journying to the US for
any length of time.

Cheers
Marty


Don't feel bad. We don't insure sick children either.


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Capt. JG wrote:

Yes, with limitations. Our health insurance is Federally mandated, but
Provincialy implimented, in my case that's OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance
Program). There are limitations though, generally OHIP won't pay any more
than what they'd pay in Canada, which works fine if you're in most
countries. It is woefully lacking if you get sick in the US; most people
take out additional private coverage if they're journying to the US for
any length of time.

Cheers
Marty


Don't feel bad. We don't insure sick children either.

The US spends more, per capita on health than any other industrialized
nation in the world, yet it manages to deliver that health care to a
lower percentage of the population than those same nations. The Infant
mortality rate is alway interesting to look at, US=6.82 per 1000 live
births, Cuba=6.45, Aruba 6.02, Canada 4.82, France 4.31, Czech Republic
3.97, Iceland 3.31........there at least 36 countries that do better
than the US.

Cheers
Marty

Don't feel bad. We don't insure sick children either.

Martin Baxter wrote:
The US spends more, per capita on health than any other industrialized
nation in the world, yet it manages to deliver that health care to a
lower percentage of the population than those same nations. The Infant
mortality rate is alway interesting to look at, US=6.82 per 1000 live
births, Cuba=6.45, Aruba 6.02, Canada 4.82, France 4.31, Czech Republic
3.97, Iceland 3.31........there at least 36 countries that do better
than the US.


Yep. It's rather pathetic. However, all the usual rhetoric doesn't
begin to reflect the reality.

The U.S. delivers billions of dollars of free health care to low-
income people... the problem is that much of it is "delivered" via
emergency rooms & tertiary care centers, very very inefficient. And
since it also unreimbursed, the provider has to charge everybody else
more, or go out of business (it's happening... about a dozen big-city
emergency rooms have closed their doors in the past year).

Another issue is that a large percent of U.S. health-care dollars go
to pay lawsuits and insurance against lawsuits. Our legal system makes
more money off "health care" than doctors do; and we've substituted a
winner-take-all lottery for sensible standard-of-care risk management.

And you will never, never, never, hear either of these issues (among
many other root problems) addressed by politicians (who are lawyers
themselves, remember) who want to "fix health care" for you.

Regards
Doug King

Dave wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:26:28 -0800 (PST), said:

The U.S. delivers billions of dollars of free health care to low-
income people... the problem is that much of it is "delivered" via
emergency rooms & tertiary care centers, very very inefficient. And
since it also unreimbursed, the provider has to charge everybody else
more, or go out of business (it's happening... about a dozen big-city
emergency rooms have closed their doors in the past year).

In a way that's what happens up here, we pay pretty high taxes on
everything we consume, particularly high on gasoline, tobacco and booze.
Those with any sort of decent income also get to pay a particularly
regressive form of tax called a "Health Care Surcharge", introduced by
our LIBERAL provincial government a few years ago. For a single mother
of two, earning 30k it's about 600 bucks extra on her provincial income
tax, an increase of around 30%, for someone reporting 500k, it maxs out
at 1200, a very small increase: Sound fair to you? Further to the point,
since everybody is going to get health care, it behooves the Provinces
to deliver it to the indigent in a pro-active, preventative manner.

The Feds pay for the biggest chunk of the health care bill, they
transfer billion to the provinces specifically earmarked for health care.

Another issue is that a large percent of U.S. health-care dollars go
to pay lawsuits and insurance against lawsuits. Our legal system makes
more money off "health care" than doctors do; and we've substituted a
winner-take-all lottery for sensible standard-of-care risk management.

Interestingly, the average malpractice settlement/judgment in Canada is
higher than in the US, but we have a lot less of them.


And you will never, never, never, hear either of these issues (among
many other root problems) addressed by politicians (who are lawyers
themselves, remember) who want to "fix health care" for you.

All good points all, Doug. (What's the world coming to that I'm agreeing
with you on something.)

Add to the above the fact that for the last 65 years we've been steadily
throwing more money at doctors in the form of tax benefits and employer
subsidies that remove any incentive whatever to treat a sniffle with chicken
soup rather than a visit to the doctor's office, and you've got a recipe for
financial disaster.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here Dave, very little of your
health care dollar finds it's way into the hands of doctors, about 6%.

Cheers
Marty

"Marty" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:26:28 -0800 (PST), said:

The U.S. delivers billions of dollars of free health care to low-
income people... the problem is that much of it is "delivered" via
emergency rooms & tertiary care centers, very very inefficient. And
since it also unreimbursed, the provider has to charge everybody else
more, or go out of business (it's happening... about a dozen big-city
emergency rooms have closed their doors in the past year).

In a way that's what happens up here, we pay pretty high taxes on
everything we consume, particularly high on gasoline, tobacco and booze.
Those with any sort of decent income also get to pay a particularly
regressive form of tax called a "Health Care Surcharge", introduced by our
LIBERAL provincial government a few years ago. For a single mother of two,
earning 30k it's about 600 bucks extra on her provincial income tax, an
increase of around 30%, for someone reporting 500k, it maxs out at 1200,
a very small increase: Sound fair to you? Further to the point, since
everybody is going to get health care, it behooves the Provinces to
deliver it to the indigent in a pro-active, preventative manner.

The Feds pay for the biggest chunk of the health care bill, they transfer
billion to the provinces specifically earmarked for health care.

Another issue is that a large percent of U.S. health-care dollars go
to pay lawsuits and insurance against lawsuits. Our legal system makes
more money off "health care" than doctors do; and we've substituted a
winner-take-all lottery for sensible standard-of-care risk management.

Interestingly, the average malpractice settlement/judgment in Canada is
higher than in the US, but we have a lot less of them.


And you will never, never, never, hear either of these issues (among
many other root problems) addressed by politicians (who are lawyers
themselves, remember) who want to "fix health care" for you.

All good points all, Doug. (What's the world coming to that I'm agreeing
with you on something.)

Add to the above the fact that for the last 65 years we've been steadily
throwing more money at doctors in the form of tax benefits and employer
subsidies that remove any incentive whatever to treat a sniffle with
chicken
soup rather than a visit to the doctor's office, and you've got a recipe
for
financial disaster.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here Dave, very little of your
health care dollar finds it's way into the hands of doctors, about 6%.

Cheers
Marty


Dave is blaming the doctors of course!

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