On Oct 4, 12:07 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Oct 4, 8:54 am, Frogwatch wrote:
OK, you talked me into having work done on my old truck by somebody
else. They couldnt figger out the problem with it "missing" so I told
em to replace the plugs. Aluminum head right, you are s'posed to put
penetrating oil down into the plug well for a while before trying,
they didnt, STRIPPED ONE OUT the fu*&^%ng morons. They told me they
were waiting for an "insert" to put in it (goes from smaller threads
to bigger ones). I thought there was something wrong with this so I
used their calipers to measure the stripped hole and the plug.
Stripped hole is .063, plug is .055, hmm. By the time I got home I
remembered "Helicoils" although I have never used em.
Today, I went to NAPA and a cute girl told me all about them so I went
back to the shop and asked em why they didnt use them and they told me
they had no experience with em. I told them that if they couldnt get
it done by this afternoon to tow it to my place and I would fix it.

Helicoils are great, replaced many Detroit stripped out head bolts
with them many times. However I'd make them buy a new head.

Problem is they will need to tap the stripped plug hole, and ya know
they are going to get metal shaving into the cylinder, so they need to
pull the head anyway and that's all the labor cost anyway.

Just my 2 cents...

Joe

There's a way to do this without pulling the head. Taps have slots in them,
so you can put grease in the slots. Tap, then pull the tap out periodically
to clean the old grease and replace with new grease. That'll get _most_ of
the shavings. Then, before you insert the new plug, start the engine *very
briefly* without the new plug in the hole. This will blow out the remaining
bits.


Or more than likely it will trap them in the rings and score the
cylinders.




You don't need to have the engine turn over for more than a few
seconds. I did this on a 62 Buick at 60K miles when I did my first tune-up
and stripped a plug on the way out.

How do you strip a plug on the way out? Did the dis-similar metals
fuse and rip out the treads or did you turn it the wrong way? ;0)


The car ran perfectly to over 150K

Low compression in one cylinder is hard to notice.

Joe

miles. It finally "died" for other unrelated reasons.

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On Oct 4, 12:07 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On Oct 4, 8:54 am, Frogwatch wrote:
OK, you talked me into having work done on my old truck by somebody
else. They couldnt figger out the problem with it "missing" so I told
em to replace the plugs. Aluminum head right, you are s'posed to put
penetrating oil down into the plug well for a while before trying,
they didnt, STRIPPED ONE OUT the fu*&^%ng morons. They told me they
were waiting for an "insert" to put in it (goes from smaller threads
to bigger ones). I thought there was something wrong with this so I
used their calipers to measure the stripped hole and the plug.
Stripped hole is .063, plug is .055, hmm. By the time I got home I
remembered "Helicoils" although I have never used em.
Today, I went to NAPA and a cute girl told me all about them so I went
back to the shop and asked em why they didnt use them and they told me
they had no experience with em. I told them that if they couldnt get
it done by this afternoon to tow it to my place and I would fix it.

Helicoils are great, replaced many Detroit stripped out head bolts
with them many times. However I'd make them buy a new head.

Problem is they will need to tap the stripped plug hole, and ya know
they are going to get metal shaving into the cylinder, so they need to
pull the head anyway and that's all the labor cost anyway.

Just my 2 cents...

Joe

There's a way to do this without pulling the head. Taps have slots in
them,
so you can put grease in the slots. Tap, then pull the tap out
periodically
to clean the old grease and replace with new grease. That'll get _most_
of
the shavings. Then, before you insert the new plug, start the engine
*very
briefly* without the new plug in the hole. This will blow out the
remaining
bits.


Or more than likely it will trap them in the rings and score the
cylinders.

Not more likely, but there's always a possibility.

You don't need to have the engine turn over for more than a few
seconds. I did this on a 62 Buick at 60K miles when I did my first
tune-up
and stripped a plug on the way out.


How do you strip a plug on the way out? Did the dis-similar metals
fuse and rip out the treads or did you turn it the wrong way? ;0)

It was probably stripped before I tried. I said, this was the first tune up.

The car ran perfectly to over 150K

Low compression in one cylinder is hard to notice.

Ever hear of a compression test?


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Ever hear of a compression test?


Is that anything like the Electric Koolaid Acid test?





Yeah, you have to be able to read.

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Joe wrote:


Or more than likely it will trap them in the rings and score the
cylinders.

Hmm, steel cylinder, steel rings (maybe even Chrome), soft aluminum shaving,
uh-uh, don't think so.

Cheers
Marty

On Oct 4, 7:12 pm, Martin B
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Joe wrote:

Or more than likely it will trap them in the rings and score the
cylinders.

Hmm, steel cylinder, steel rings (maybe even Chrome), soft aluminum shaving,
uh-uh, don't think so.

Cheers
Marty

Truck has 310,000 miles. This engine has 105,000. This afternoon,
they did tap it using the grease trick and then vacuumed the
cylinder. If I get 23,000 miles more, I'll be happy.

Frogwatch wrote:
Truck has 310,000 miles. This engine has 105,000. This afternoon,
they did tap it using the grease trick and then vacuumed the
cylinder. If I get 23,000 miles more, I'll be happy.

An engine should e good for more than 130k miles

ANyway I am sorry to hear that getting somebody else to wokr on your
truck didn't work out so well. It's one reason why you should not get
emotionally attached to a vehicle.

DSK

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Frogwatch wrote:
Truck has 310,000 miles. This engine has 105,000. This afternoon,
they did tap it using the grease trick and then vacuumed the
cylinder. If I get 23,000 miles more, I'll be happy.

An engine should e good for more than 130k miles

ANyway I am sorry to hear that getting somebody else to wokr on your
truck didn't work out so well. It's one reason why you should not get
emotionally attached to a vehicle.

DSK



If you listen to Car Talk, you should definitely not name the car/truck.

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Capt. JG wrote:
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Frogwatch wrote:

Truck has 310,000 miles. This engine has 105,000. This afternoon,
they did tap it using the grease trick and then vacuumed the
cylinder. If I get 23,000 miles more, I'll be happy.

An engine should e good for more than 130k miles

ANyway I am sorry to hear that getting somebody else to wokr on your
truck didn't work out so well. It's one reason why you should not get
emotionally attached to a vehicle.

DSK




If you listen to Car Talk, you should definitely not name the car/truck.

I love that program...not especially interested in cars, but those 2
guys are way funny...

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Capt. JG wrote:
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Frogwatch wrote:

Truck has 310,000 miles. This engine has 105,000. This afternoon,
they did tap it using the grease trick and then vacuumed the
cylinder. If I get 23,000 miles more, I'll be happy.

An engine should e good for more than 130k miles

ANyway I am sorry to hear that getting somebody else to wokr on your
truck didn't work out so well. It's one reason why you should not get
emotionally attached to a vehicle.

DSK




If you listen to Car Talk, you should definitely not name the car/truck.

I love that program...not especially interested in cars, but those 2 guys
are way funny...


I get the podcast. Makes long drives more pleasant.


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"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
wrote in message
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Frogwatch wrote:

Truck has 310,000 miles. This engine has 105,000. This afternoon,
they did tap it using the grease trick and then vacuumed the
cylinder. If I get 23,000 miles more, I'll be happy.

An engine should e good for more than 130k miles

ANyway I am sorry to hear that getting somebody else to wokr on your
truck didn't work out so well. It's one reason why you should not get
emotionally attached to a vehicle.

DSK




If you listen to Car Talk, you should definitely not name the car/truck.

I love that program...not especially interested in cars, but those 2 guys
are way funny...
Jon-Boy loves those guys too