On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:
Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.



Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.
My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:
Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.



Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.

No. Not EVEN close. They might look similar, but looks are about as far as
it goes.

My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.

Dut you don't race. Yes, we know, they let you come and sit on their boats
in races, but you aren't racing. Think about it. With your mass, they're
using you for moveable ballast. Especially on J-boats. Moveable ballast is
very important.


RB
35s5
NY

No. Not EVEN close. They might look similar, but looks are about as
far as
it goes.



You're exposing yourself here. The J27 and Frac rig J29 are very close
around the buoys. The masthead J29 is faster.


Think about it. With your mass, they're
using you for moveable ballast.


Then why do they like me to dive the boat?


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
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No.


Then why do they like me to dive the boat?


to clean the bottom?

Yeah, we don't have the stones to "mix it up" with a bunch of
Catalinas & Ericsons that think they are in a race because a local
club had a 14 dollar plaque made. One design is racing. PHRF is
family
fun, if that's what you like.

I don't know what it's like on Long Island Sound Boobie but you must
not get out much. You'd have a hard time selling that definition to
the Wednesday night crowd in Annapolis for example. Everything comes
out up to and including TP52s. I haven't seen any 35s5S though. Oh,
and they award real silver down here.

My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub,
PHRF racing is NOT real racing

Always the line people use when they don't have the stones to bring it
out and mix it up.

35s5 ..... Tee hee

Always the line people use when they don't have the stones to bring
it
out and mix it up.



Yeah, we don't have the stones to "mix it up" with a bunch of
Catalinas & Ericsons that think they are in a race because a local
club had a 14 dollar plaque made. One design is racing. PHRF is family
fun, if that's what you like. My ex-girlfriend used to race her J24 in
one design. She agrees PHRF is a joke, even though she wins a lot in
her Catalina 30 that hits it's rating so easily. She knows that many
other boats don't. As I said...a joke! And you bought a boat that is
part of that joke known by so many one design racers.



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
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..
Always the line people use when they don't have the stones
to bring
it
out and mix it up.



Yeah, we don't have the stones to "mix it up" with a bunch
of
Catalinas & Ericsons that race

isn't that what Loco said?

On Aug 31, 7:44 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:

Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.

Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.
My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.

RB
35s5
NY

I think you missed my point. It was a subtle recommendation
for you to go out and race some one design. Do that for many
years in many positions, and then you too will be able to talk with
authority on the subject.

If you start now and race two or three days a week, you might
be able to catch up to sloco's experience. I have no doubt he
can sail circles around you.

"Bart" wrote in message
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On Aug 31, 7:44 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Aug 31, 2:48 am, Bart wrote:

Swabbie, you have to sail one design to be
in a real sailboat race.

Bart, I really do agree with that. That said, a J29 Frac with OB vs. a
J27 is a pretty close match as far as the hulls go.
My point is that, beyond developing some skills on ones own tub, PHRF
racing is NOT real racing and that's all Sloco can really do because
he doesn't own a J35 or J24.

RB
35s5
NY

I think you missed my point. It was a subtle recommendation
for you to go out and race some one design. Do that for many
years in many positions, and then you too will be able to talk with
authority on the subject.

If you start now and race two or three days a week, you might
be able to catch up to sloco's experience. I have no doubt he
can sail circles around you.



I suspect it wouldn't take someone with sloco's vast experience to do that.
:-)


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