Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.



Sigh.
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???
You can find them on Island Packet boats for example, such as the
newer 350. But if ads are all that matter to you, then IP calls it
"The Hoyt Boom equipped Staysail." Check it out, dummy!
I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff while you read
Cruising World. I'm working on a project now using the system on a
Tayana.
I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used. The 28's
design goal was not to have anyone on the foredeck anyway. There
aren't even any lifelines on most hulls.

You've been busted again, Doug.



RB
35s5
NY

On Sep 2, 11:41 am, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

Sigh.
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???
You can find them on Island Packet boats for example, such as the
newer 350. But if ads are all that matter to you, then IP calls it
"The Hoyt Boom equipped Staysail." Check it out, dummy!
I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff while you read
Cruising World. I'm working on a project now using the system on a
Tayana.
I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used. The 28's
design goal was not to have anyone on the foredeck anyway. There
aren't even any lifelines on most hulls.

You've been busted again, Doug.

RB
35s5
NY

Doug, Doesn't it make you want to puke when he does
that "Sigh"?

The boat is marketed to clueless noobs that can't
or are afraid to fly a spinnaker. Say, that would
be a good boat for you Swabbie!




Sigh...ho hum.
The Alerion 28 is hardly marketed to anyone "clueless." It's a fairly
high end daysailor and weekender for the more "mature" sailor. Mark
Plough over at Doyle (NY and FL) had one for a while and he's a tad
more knowledgable than you fellas when it comes to sailboats.
Doug was wrong, as usual. Then again, he can argue with my vendor if
he wants.

BTW, Bart....I'm sailing tomorrow with a few friends at 1:00. 150 City
Island Ave. Left side, just past the school. I'm on channel 77. Or
tell the dockmaster you're there for Bob Brody and I'm on K dock near
the end. Looks like plenty of wind. You can also email me in the
morning if you really want to come and I'll buzz you. I don't think
I'm too far from you, maybe 60-90 minute drive?


RB
35s5
NY

Read the advertising brochure a bit more carefully, Bubbles. Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.


Bobsprit wrote:
They are both types of staysail booms as the Hoyt Jib boom can be used
for staysails. Don't believe that, Doug???

Umm, sure.
Whatever you say.

There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and a
traditional staysail boom.
If you know what it is, please explain so that we can tell you're not
BSing.... again....



I oughta know, Doug. I actually work with this stuff

Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.

I've sailed the 28 and had no issue with the deck space used.

Of course not.

Bart wrote:
Doug, Doesn't it make you want to puke when he does
that "Sigh"?

Nah, Bubbles makes me laugh. It's clear that he thinks being a sailor
is *cool* but I don't know why he thinks he can fool anybody. Calling
himself "Captain" shows how clueless he is. I don't read very many of
his posts and wouldn't have read this one except for your reply, Bart.

DSK

There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.



I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!


RB
35s5
NY

On Sep 4, 12:00 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.

I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!

RB
35s5
NY

You are right Doug,

He has no clue about the differences. He
totally loses the argument because he can't
answer the question, and then claims you
are busted again.

It reminds me of the time he thought a
kedge anchor needed 300' of rhode. grin

"Bart" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 4, 12:00 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
There is a very very big difference between a the Hoyt type boom and
a
traditional staysail boom.

I love when Doug gets busted and tries so hard to change the topic.
Joe asked about staysail booms and I brought up the furling version.
Then you jumped in with nothing useful to add and claimed it was a JIB
boom and not the same thing.
Well, duh! But you were essentially wrong since that particular model
is also usable for staysails, so your original point meant nothing.
Now you're going to point out the differences between the Hoyt model
and a traditional model? Uh, okay! Knock yourself out.
Just so we're clear, you didn't even KNOW that the Hoyt model was used
on staysails or you would have never made an ass of yourself for
100889th time!

Hoyt system is used for STAYSAILS as well as jibs, Doug. The operation
of the system is the same, you asshole!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA!

RB
35s5
NY

You are right Doug,

He has no clue about the differences. He
totally loses the argument because he can't
answer the question, and then claims you
are busted again.

It reminds me of the time he thought a
kedge anchor needed 300' of rhode. grin



Maybe he was talking about Rhode Island....


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.



You mean the model that you didn't know was used for staysails!!!???
BWAHAHAHHHA! Keep trying, Doug! There are at least two other vessels
besides ALerion and IP using the system for jibs and staysails. Know
who they are?
Do you know what's needed to install the system on a Tayana 37 and why
the sail needs to be cut lower and the boom angles adjusted? Which
should be changed, Doug...the knuckle from 57 degrees? Maybe we should
custom fabricate a pedestal due to the loads? I know the answer.

You're such a friken blow-hard. It's truly astonishing.


RB
35s5
NY

On Sep 4, 12:07 pm,
Yeah, sure. That's why you don't know what a Hoyt boom is or what it
does.

Bobsprit wrote:
You mean the model that you didn't know was used for staysails!!!???

Why would a "staysail boom" not be used for staysails?

BWAHAHAHHHA! Keep trying, Doug!

Keep trying what? To get you to make sense when you try to talk about
sailing?

Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.

DSK

Bubbles, you haven't answered the question: what is the difference
between a Hoyt boom and any other type? It's very simple and easy.



Doug, you're not going to shift the discussion, Doug. Anyone can go
look up the info on the Hoyt boom. You made this post, which makes NO
sense.

Or maybe
you simply don't know enough about sailing to recognize the
difference
between the Hoyt boom and a plain ol' staysail boom.

As I pointed out to Joe, he could use a system like that of the IP or
Alerion. They are the same unit with only a slight mod for deck camber
on some other boats. Joe's question about a staysail boom does not
exclude bringing in the model used on the Alerion.
Now that you know this (AFTER I posted that Island Packet uses it for
their staysails!), you're sadly trying to shift the focus. It aint
working.
Joe asked a question and got answers. You had nothing useful to add.

For anyone interested in Hoyt staysail or jib booms, CDI/Furlex
furlers and sails (exotic or otherwise) you can e-mail for technical
info and the better prices. In fact, I can beat any price of typical
online lofts and the sails won't come from China.
Why would any of this interest Doug, who is a powerboater, is anyone's
guess.


RB
35s5
NY