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Capt. Rob August 20th 07 02:29 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 


Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=SantMov.flv
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying a
150%, while we flew a 125%, it was a very even match up. Heart of Gold
had the edge off the wind of course, but I think the Santana has the
upwind edge. Of course Heart of Gold made her good speed with little
fuss. It was a great sailing day and Thomas loves sailing. Few things
rev him up like three little words...."Let's go sailing!"

I everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season! BTW, a new
folding prop has really given Heart of Gold a nice speed increase!


RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob August 20th 07 02:40 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Should have read....

I HOPE everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season!

RB



katy August 20th 07 03:21 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Capt. Rob wrote:

Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=SantMov.flv
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying a
150%, while we flew a 125%, it was a very even match up. Heart of Gold
had the edge off the wind of course, but I think the Santana has the
upwind edge. Of course Heart of Gold made her good speed with little
fuss. It was a great sailing day and Thomas loves sailing. Few things
rev him up like three little words...."Let's go sailing!"

I everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season! BTW, a new
folding prop has really given Heart of Gold a nice speed increase!


RB
35s5
NY

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????

Capt. Rob August 20th 07 03:48 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



You're 100% correct! You won't see them again!



RB
35s5
NY


Edgar August 20th 07 07:14 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



You're 100% correct! You won't see them again!


Guard rails look a bit slack too...



Jeff August 20th 07 12:36 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/19/2007 10:48 PM:
Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



You're 100% correct! You won't see them again!



Nonsense! Leave them on deck, that's where they belong. You're not
racing, people have better things to do then to drag slimy fenders
back and forth.

If you want to do something do make the boat look more seaman-like,
ease the sails so you don't make so much leeway.

Vic Smith August 20th 07 12:58 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:15 -0400, Jeff wrote:

* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/19/2007 10:48 PM:
Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



You're 100% correct! You won't see them again!



Nonsense! Leave them on deck, that's where they belong. You're not
racing, people have better things to do then to drag slimy fenders
back and forth.

If you want to do something do make the boat look more seaman-like,
ease the sails so you don't make so much leeway.


Somebody here has some common sense. That snide comment about
fenders it what's going to make me feel good about adding another
Mac 26 to the fleet of sailing watercraft.
Rob, the proper answer was "Kiss my ass."

--Ed Gordon

katy August 20th 07 01:38 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Jeff wrote:
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/19/2007 10:48 PM:

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



You're 100% correct! You won't see them again!



Nonsense! Leave them on deck, that's where they belong. You're not
racing, people have better things to do then to drag slimy fenders back
and forth.

If you want to do something do make the boat look more seaman-like, ease
the sails so you don't make so much leeway.


...and if someone has to go to the foredeck, there be big blue fneders in
the way..they're a hazard...better to just let them hang than to have
them on a thruway to the foredeck...

katy August 20th 07 01:40 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:15 -0400, Jeff wrote:


* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/19/2007 10:48 PM:

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



You're 100% correct! You won't see them again!



Nonsense! Leave them on deck, that's where they belong. You're not
racing, people have better things to do then to drag slimy fenders
back and forth.

If you want to do something do make the boat look more seaman-like,
ease the sails so you don't make so much leeway.



Somebody here has some common sense. That snide comment about
fenders it what's going to make me feel good about adding another
Mac 26 to the fleet of sailing watercraft.
Rob, the proper answer was "Kiss my ass."

--Ed Gordon


Since you sail a Mac and could care less ablout safety, that, of course,
would be yur reply....Rob invites all kinds of people sailing with him,
most very inexperienced...navigating around obstacles on the deck is a
hazradous situation....

Capt. Rob August 20th 07 02:44 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Katy is correct. The fenders are crowding the side decks and are
unsighlty. The starboard locker is huge with room for 30 big fenders.
As for Jeff's comment....
Could Jeff know anything at all about sail trim? Doesn't sound like
it. No surprise there. I wonder what course he thinks we were on and
what mark we were making for. I wonder if he worked out from the
camera angle that I'm behind the wheel? Sheeted in and 40%, but Jeff
can't reason out why?
Again, no surprise.

More pics and vids coming while Jeff waits for his next sailing break!



RB
35s5
NY




Jeff August 20th 07 04:05 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/20/2007 9:44 AM:
As for Jeff's comment....
Could Jeff know anything at all about sail trim?


Are you claiming the sails are trimmed properly?

Doesn't sound like
it. No surprise there. I wonder what course he thinks we were on and
what mark we were making for.


The sails are over-trimmed and the boat is moving sideways. Are you
claiming that what they wanted to do?

I wonder if he worked out from the
camera angle that I'm behind the wheel?


I think that thing is called a tiller, not a wheel.

Sheeted in and 40%, but Jeff
can't reason out why?


Oh, I get it! They're showing how well the boat "points." Here's a
hint: making 30 degrees leeway doesn't really show off the boat at its
best.

Again, no surprise.

More pics and vids coming while Jeff waits for his next sailing break!


That will be in a few days, but I've been out for about 50 days in the
last 8 weeks.

Capt. Rob August 20th 07 04:26 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Are you claiming the sails are trimmed properly?


Actually, they are trimmed ultra perfectly, but I've altered course so
I can stand easily and hold my camera for the movies and vids.


The sails are over-trimmed and the boat is moving sideways. Are
you
claiming that what they wanted to do?

I'm claiming nothing. You're the only one here silly enough to judge
sail trim for a course you can't see on a boat you're not on making a
course you don't know about!!! And you look dang foolish for it.


I think that thing is called a tiller, not a wheel.


Wow. Jeff you are really OLD. I'm at the WHEEL. Our 35s5 has a WHEEL.
The 30/30 has a tiller. Jeff, time for you meds.



Oh, I get it!

I'm afraid you don't. Again.


They're showing how well the boat "points."


I think folks on both boats are just having a fun time, Jeff.

Here's a
hint: making 30 degrees leeway doesn't really show off the boat at
its
best.


Hmmm. Our turning mark is 15 degrees off our starboard bow and we made
it without a problem. Of course you can't even see it, nor do you have
a clue about actual course, steady wind direction or much else in the
pics and vids. But it's fun watching you try to make up things to suit
your imaginary points! Good work!


That will be in a few days, but I've been out for about 50 days in
the
last 8 weeks.


I've sailed about 30 days in that time, aboard 5-6 different boats.
And I didn't have to wait until I was 70 or 80 years old to do it. I'm
44, Jeff.
There isn't enough time in your life to catch me, let alone have as
much fun as we are right now. My golden years are NOW and only getting
better. If I end up like you I'll just buy a motor home!

Hoooh ahhhh!


RB
35s5
NY


Jeff August 20th 07 05:13 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/20/2007 11:26 AM:
Are you claiming the sails are trimmed properly?


Actually, they are trimmed ultra perfectly, but I've altered course so
I can stand easily and hold my camera for the movies and vids.


The sails are over-trimmed and the boat is moving sideways. Are
you
claiming that what they wanted to do?

I'm claiming nothing. You're the only one here silly enough to judge
sail trim for a course you can't see on a boat you're not on making a
course you don't know about!!! And you look dang foolish for it.


So you're not talking about the boat that you posted pictures of, the
one with the fender on the deck? I assumed your boat was too
horrific to even describe.



I think that thing is called a tiller, not a wheel.


Wow. Jeff you are really OLD. I'm at the WHEEL. Our 35s5 has a WHEEL.
The 30/30 has a tiller. Jeff, time for you meds.


So you're claiming that the 30/30 is over-sheeted in order to slow
down for the dog in front of it? Now that makes sense.



I've sailed about 30 days in that time, aboard 5-6 different boats.
And I didn't have to wait until I was 70 or 80 years old to do it. I'm
44, Jeff.
There isn't enough time in your life to catch me,


Catch you at what? Actually knowing how to sail? Its doubtful that
anyone will ever catch you doing that!

Capt. Rob August 20th 07 05:49 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
So you're claiming that the 30/30 is over-sheeted in order to slow
down for the dog in front of it?



The 30/30 is not oversheeted at all. I was talking about the 35s5. You
can't even track this discussion, let alone any course.
This is how everyone knows you have no experience sailing performance
boats. Your comments about sail trim are hilarious. It's like you
expect folks out for a spin on a fast boat should hang on to a
specific course and trim and that winds don't change every minute,
especially sailing to the bridges. That also proves that you probably
only motored in our area! Anyone who claims they can judge true
conditions or course from a few pics and vids is clearlly full of
crap!
Face it, Jeff. Fast monohulls are a mystery to you. You owned slow
tubs before and now you sail a floating radiator.

Like I said....I'm doing more sailing on more boats and I'm WAY
younger than you. When I'm your age I sure hope to be doing more.
Oh...wait...I already am!


Hoooh ahh!



RB
35s5
NY


Jeff August 20th 07 07:03 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/20/2007 12:49 PM:
So you're claiming that the 30/30 is over-sheeted in order to slow
down for the dog in front of it?



The 30/30 is not oversheeted at all.


Oh my! Even a beginner should be able to see that. The sail is
stalled and the boat is going sideways. Or are you claiming that's
normal?

I was talking about the 35s5. You
can't even track this discussion, let alone any course.


yah, right. That's why you posted pictures of another boat, so we
wouldn't talk about it.

This is how everyone knows you have no experience sailing performance
boats. Your comments about sail trim are hilarious.


Not as funny as your inability to understand what's wrong.

It's like you
expect folks out for a spin on a fast boat should hang on to a
specific course and trim and that winds don't change every minute,
especially sailing to the bridges. That also proves that you probably
only motored in our area! Anyone who claims they can judge true
conditions or course from a few pics and vids is clearlly full of
crap!


stop! stop! You're embarrassing yourself! Being over sheeted is not
that big of a problem; not understanding what means is truly sad. You
should take some lessons, Bob, before you go sailing for real.


Face it, Jeff. Fast monohulls are a mystery to you. You owned slow
tubs before and now you sail a floating radiator.


Right - I've spent more time racing high performance boats than you've
spent in boats in your life.

Plus - sailing a high performance boat poorly doesn't actually count
as high performance sailing!

And FWIW, my old Nonsuch could hold its own against any of your
previous boats. And maybe someday you'll be able to afford a boat as
fast as mine - if your daddy gives you some more money.


Like I said....I'm doing more sailing on more boats and I'm WAY
younger than you.


What is that supposed to mean? You're a noob, a novice! You still
don't even know how to trim a sail! I did more sailing that you have
by the time I was 20 years old.

When I'm your age I sure hope to be doing more.
Oh...wait...I already am!


rant rant rant. It's so pathetic that you're terrified of going out
overnight, that you can't sail on the ocean because you get seasick,
that you're too embarrassed to race, that you don't even know the
basics of sailing.

And now you're reduced to ranting "I'm better because I'm younger."
What a jackass!






Scotty August 20th 07 08:17 PM

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"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
ups.com...



I've sailed about 30 days in that time,


which adds up to what, about 72 hours...and 23 miles?

Hoo boy!



Joe August 20th 07 08:46 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Ahoy Rob;

Thanks for posting the sailing video.

You are doing better as a director, I liked Lil Thom saying ahoy.

However like your feature film I must say that it lacked the gusto,
the heart felt drama..and infact any since of art for arts sake.

I suggest you study this short film a buddy made with his cell phone
camera and
panasonic cassette player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV2JlPW7_DY
Joe










On Aug 19, 8:29 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying a
150%, while we flew a 125%, it was a very even match up. Heart of Gold
had the edge off the wind of course, but I think the Santana has the
upwind edge. Of course Heart of Gold made her good speed with little
fuss. It was a great sailing day and Thomas loves sailing. Few things
rev him up like three little words...."Let's go sailing!"

I everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season! BTW, a new
folding prop has really given Heart of Gold a nice speed increase!

RB
35s5
NY




Scotty August 20th 07 08:56 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote:
If you want to do something do make the boat look more

seaman-like, ease
the sails so you don't make so much leeway.


..and if someone has to go to the foredeck, there be big

blue fneders in
the way..they're a hazard...better to just let them hang

than to have
them on a thruway to the foredeck...


very lubbery to say the least...dangerous at worse.

SBV



katy August 20th 07 09:26 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Jeff wrote:

If you want to do something do make the boat look more


seaman-like, ease

the sails so you don't make so much leeway.


..and if someone has to go to the foredeck, there be big


blue fneders in

the way..they're a hazard...better to just let them hang


than to have

them on a thruway to the foredeck...



very lubbery to say the least...dangerous at worse.

SBV


he's already repented so just let it alone...

katy August 20th 07 09:29 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Joe wrote:
Ahoy Rob;

Thanks for posting the sailing video.

You are doing better as a director, I liked Lil Thom saying ahoy.

However like your feature film I must say that it lacked the gusto,
the heart felt drama..and infact any since of art for arts sake.

I suggest you study this short film a buddy made with his cell phone
camera and
panasonic cassette player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV2JlPW7_DY
Joe










On Aug 19, 8:29 pm, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying a
150%, while we flew a 125%, it was a very even match up. Heart of Gold
had the edge off the wind of course, but I think the Santana has the
upwind edge. Of course Heart of Gold made her good speed with little
fuss. It was a great sailing day and Thomas loves sailing. Few things
rev him up like three little words...."Let's go sailing!"

I everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season! BTW, a new
folding prop has really given Heart of Gold a nice speed increase!

RB
35s5
NY




I kinda doubt that was a cell phone and cassette but it was a great
video...do you know what the music in the soundtrack is?

Gregory Hall August 20th 07 09:35 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...


Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=SantMov.flv


snipped the rest

That video really stinks. T'aint nothin more pitiful than some lame
amateur video of a floating day care center with a cockpit full of plain
school marms. They're slobbering all over some kid. There's land close
enough to spit on and a smaller boat going faster. And, how can anybody
stand the non-stop hen clucking?

Arrrgh! Barf! You honestly think you can impress sailors with that
kinda garbage? No way, man! It's all too domestic. Might make a good
spread in "Woman's Day." It definitely doesn't belong here. No man
would post something like that seriously. It's gotta be just more
creative trolling . More proof that Capt. R.B.'s the life of the party.
He'll even debase himself to get bites on his hooks.

Greg


Capt. Rob August 21st 07 01:16 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Even a beginner should be able to see that. The sail is
stalled and the boat is going sideways. Or are you claiming that's
normal?


Even if the sail was stalled, the 30/30 sure aint going sideways. This
is more proof you have no real sailing experience. In spite of being a
masthead rig, she's driven well by her main. That's why there's no
indication of her going sideways. Her wake is straight as an arrow,
CLEARLY shown in the video.
Oops. There goes Jeff's efforts!


yah, right. That's why you posted pictures of another boat, so we
wouldn't talk about it.


Notice how no one else jumped on your little effort? That's because
others can see the boat is sailing straight and they probably know
that a Santana 30/30 doesn't slide easily. You know nothing about the
boat and I bet you never sailed one...faster than a J30 or Express 30.




Not as funny as your inability to understand what's wrong.


It is funny! But I can see it. You're pushing 75 and it's all wrapping
up. I'm 44 and having more fun sailing than you can stand. I think
everyone can see that!



stop! stop! You're embarrassing yourself! Being over sheeted is
not
that big of a problem; not understanding what means is truly sad.


He's not oversheeted. You don't know what his course is relative to
the wind, except for a few seconds. Sorry. There's no evidence to
support you're silly comments. It's akin to you claiming how deep the
water was that day! Bwahahahahha!


Right - I've spent more time racing high performance boats than
you've
spent in boats in your life.


Yeah...a guy who bought a Nonsuch! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!



And FWIW, my old Nonsuch could hold its own against any of your
previous boats.


BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! Hey, Jeff...I sold a Nonsuch 30 and 36 and I
sailed the 30 They are nice boats, but get over yourself. We have a
few around and they are **** slow upwind in anything below 10 knots.
Upwind we pass a pretty 35 everytime we see her. Nobody buys a Nonsuch
for speed. In fact the tubby 36 is rated in the 158-165 area...slower
than a well sailed Catalina 34!


And maybe someday you'll be able to afford a boat as
fast as mine - if your daddy gives you some more money.


Well, Jeff...what boat did you own when you were 43 or 44? Was it a
65K boat? But if money really matters to you (and you always bring it
up), what will you do when we buy our new boat that costs more than
yours in two years? When Thomas tops 5 we plan to buy a DS style boat
over 40 feet. Guess that will really fry your bacon...if you're still
breathing in 2-3 years!



What is that supposed to mean?


It meant I'm younger than you. It meant that I'm outsailing you now
and in a race aboard J24's I'd leave you for dead. I'm certain of it.



I did more sailing that you have
by the time I was 20 years old.


Probably. I didn't sail until I was in my 30's. But that even further
demolishes your sad point. At your age, floating around with the
grandkids, what excuse do you have? Why aren't you making REAL
passages?


It's so pathetic that you're terrified of going out
overnight

Sharks feed at night!


, that you can't sail on the ocean because you get seasick

It's the smell of diesel from my leaky fuel lines, Jeff.


that you're too embarrassed to race


I'm not a lonely guy, Jeff. Racing is for the desperately wealthy or
the desperately lonely. I have a sex life...and enough cash to buy a
300K + boat in a few years.

that you don't even know the
basics of sailing.

Basic Sailing = Sail fun and safe your own way. Yup, I got it!



And now you're reduced to ranting "I'm better because I'm younger."



I guess I hit a live nerve. Who knew you had any left???!!!

BWAHAAHAHHAHA! KER-SLAM!!! I think you need non-sailing land-locked
Scotty Potty about now!




RB
35s5
NY


Captain Crunch August 21st 07 02:20 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Should have read....

I HOPE everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season!

RB


Just think......in about a month, you can put her back on the stands for the
winter. Must be a great sailing season up there.



Captain Crunch August 21st 07 02:21 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:

Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=SantMov.flv
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying a
150%, while we flew a 125%, it was a very even match up. Heart of Gold
had the edge off the wind of course, but I think the Santana has the
upwind edge. Of course Heart of Gold made her good speed with little
fuss. It was a great sailing day and Thomas loves sailing. Few things
rev him up like three little words...."Let's go sailing!"

I everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season! BTW, a new
folding prop has really given Heart of Gold a nice speed increase!


RB
35s5
NY

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders whomped
up on the rails????


So he won't hurt the other boats when he side-swipes them?



Captain Crunch August 21st 07 02:26 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:

Well, with Heart of Gold back in action, I knew August is always a
questionable month for sailing with light air common on the LIS for
that month.
Well not this year! In fact this has been one of the sweetest summers
for sailing in a long time. I think we've had just a single day with
calm conditions. Yesterday was blowing 25 knots plus at Execution
rocks, but by around 1:00 it had calmed a bit and we had a great time.
The winds kept many sailors home, but if they'd hung around it became
a perfect day with about 12-16 knots and cool breezes. We caught up to
friends aboard their J24....

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week3.jpg

Sunday didn't look good. Predictions were 5-10 knots and when I
checked the link for Execution rocks it read gusts to 4 knots or
thereabouts. Well, Thomas and I met up with some friends and we set
out for a short daysail in dead calm conditions. A LOT of sailboats
were out. No one could fill a sail. We raised the main and waited 30
minutes...and it started to blow...5 knots...10....and finally gusting
to 13-14 and a nice overcast to keep the sun out our eyes. My buddy
aboard his fast Santana joined us....

http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=SantMov.flv
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying a
150%, while we flew a 125%, it was a very even match up. Heart of Gold
had the edge off the wind of course, but I think the Santana has the
upwind edge. Of course Heart of Gold made her good speed with little
fuss. It was a great sailing day and Thomas loves sailing. Few things
rev him up like three little words...."Let's go sailing!"

I everyone is enjoying their boats and a great season! BTW, a new
folding prop has really given Heart of Gold a nice speed increase!


RB
35s5
NY

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders whomped
up on the rails????


Did'ja see the boat in the last picture? Must be a law up there to have the
dfenders at the ready? Someone should report those guys in the J-24



Scotty August 21st 07 02:38 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/20/2007 12:49 PM:
So you're claiming that the 30/30 is over-sheeted in

order to slow
down for the dog in front of it?



The 30/30 is not oversheeted at all.


Oh my! Even a beginner should be able to see that.



Bob's not a beginner, he's a washed up has-been, know it
all, no talent, loser who still can't sail after all those
years of pretending.

Scotty




katy August 21st 07 02:38 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Captain Crunch wrote:



Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders whomped
up on the rails????



So he won't hurt the other boats when he side-swipes them?


They were up on the deck....


Captain Crunch August 21st 07 02:40 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Captain Crunch wrote:



Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????



So he won't hurt the other boats when he side-swipes them?

They were up on the deck....

But at-the-ready, just in case.



Capt. Rob August 21st 07 02:47 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Just think......in about a month, you can put her back on the stands
for the
winter. Must be a great sailing season up there.



We usually sail through mid November.
It has been a great season, so thanks!


RB
35s5
NY


Scotty August 21st 07 02:50 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


Notice how no one else jumped on your little effort?



Jeff never needs any help in slamming you down.



That's because
others can see the boat is sailing straight and they

probably know
that a Santana 30/30 doesn't slide easily.



Maybe it's because others, like me ,don't bother to look at
your crappy pics.




It is funny! But I can see it. You're pushing 75 and it's

all wrapping
up. I'm 44 and having more fun sailing than you can stand.

I think
everyone can see that!



What I see is a seasoned sailor smacking down a wannabe
pretender.




When Thomas tops 5 we plan to buy a DS style boat
over 40 feet.



Do you plan to sail *that* boat in the Round The Island
race, too?
You taking *that* boat on a ''cruise to nowhere' (out of
sight of land), also?


Why aren't you making REAL
passages?



This is hilarious, coming from the dock queen of LIS.




I have (sic)...and enough cash to buy a
300K + boat in a few years.



After you inherit 295k in a few years, right?






katy August 21st 07 03:07 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Captain Crunch wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Captain Crunch wrote:

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????


So he won't hurt the other boats when he side-swipes them?


They were up on the deck....


But at-the-ready, just in case.


yeah...right....like a couple of fenders would ward off a couple of tons
of fiberglass ebaring down at you at 6K...

Jeff August 21st 07 03:44 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/20/2007 8:16 PM:
Even a beginner should be able to see that. The sail is
stalled and the boat is going sideways. Or are you claiming that's
normal?

Even if the sail was stalled, the 30/30 sure aint going sideways. This
is more proof you have no real sailing experience. In spite of being a
masthead rig, she's driven well by her main. That's why there's no
indication of her going sideways. Her wake is straight as an arrow,
CLEARLY shown in the video.
Oops. There goes Jeff's efforts!


Notice the leeward tell drooping. Notice the wake to weather. Only
Booby could claim this wake is "straight as an arrow."

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg


yah, right. That's why you posted pictures of another boat, so we
wouldn't talk about it.

Notice how no one else jumped on your little effort? That's because
others can see the boat is sailing straight and they probably know
that a Santana 30/30 doesn't slide easily. You know nothing about the
boat and I bet you never sailed one...faster than a J30 or Express 30.


Big Whoop! The boat's going sideways. And you're too ignorant to see it.


Not as funny as your inability to understand what's wrong.

It is funny! But I can see it. You're pushing 75 and it's all wrapping
up. I'm 44 and having more fun sailing than you can stand. I think
everyone can see that!


You're a funny little boy, booby.



stop! stop! You're embarrassing yourself! Being over sheeted is
not that big of a problem; not understanding what means
is truly sad.


He's not oversheeted. You don't know what his course is relative to
the wind, except for a few seconds. Sorry. There's no evidence to
support you're silly comments. It's akin to you claiming how deep the
water was that day! Bwahahahahha!


Jeeze! You took the picture, look at it!
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...35s5/Week2.jpg

Look at the tells! Look at the wake! Sideways!


Right - I've spent more time racing high performance boats than
you've spent in boats in your life.

Yeah...a guy who bought a Nonsuch! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


Yup, it was a damn fine boat. A 6 ton dinghy! And surprisingly
fast. What it gives up on the wind, it makes up in ease of tacking
and sail adjusting.


And FWIW, my old Nonsuch could hold its own against any of your
previous boats.


BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! Hey, Jeff...I sold a Nonsuch 30 and 36 and I
sailed the 30 They are nice boats, but get over yourself. We have a
few around and they are **** slow upwind in anything below 10 knots.
Upwind we pass a pretty 35 everytime we see her. Nobody buys a Nonsuch
for speed. In fact the tubby 36 is rated in the 158-165 area...slower
than a well sailed Catalina 34!


A Cat 34 is around 150 depending on model; add 12 for no spinnaker and
its higher than the NS36 which is 156. Actually, at any point other
than hard on the wind a Nonsuch 30 (rating 170+) will walk away from a
Cat 34.

Off course, a "well sailed" NS would beat your boat any day.



And maybe someday you'll be able to afford a boat as
fast as mine - if your daddy gives you some more money.


Well, Jeff...what boat did you own when you were 43 or 44?


The Nonsuch.

Was it a 65K boat?


Just about.

But if money really matters to you (and you always bring it up),


I do??? In your imagination, perhaps. You're the one who can't get a
post out without describing the value of every boat in sight. How
many times have you bragged about the value of your boats, real and
imaginary, in this post?

what will you do when we buy our new boat that costs more than
yours in two years?


What do you mean? Do you really think I care at all? You can buy a
Swan or an Oyster or whatever. Of course, you'll still be a
terrified, seasick little boy who's afraid to leave the Sound.

When Thomas tops 5 we plan to buy a DS style boat
over 40 feet. Guess that will really fry your bacon...if you're still
breathing in 2-3 years!


I'm really scared. Yup, I am. And sure that with your new boat
you'll finally do that "Sail to Nowhere" out of sight of land. Any
day now.

Yup.

Let's just hope your condition stays in remission.

And seriously, when Thomas is 5 it would be the perfect time to take a
year and do some real cruising - that's what we did. After that point
he'll be in school and it will be a long time before you can really
get away.


What is that supposed to mean?


It meant I'm younger than you. It meant that I'm outsailing you now
and in a race aboard J24's I'd leave you for dead. I'm certain of it.


Sure thing Booby. You've had the helm for how many races now? Zero?
Or is it twice that many?


I did more sailing that you have
by the time I was 20 years old.


Probably. I didn't sail until I was in my 30's. But that even further
demolishes your sad point. At your age, floating around with the
grandkids, what excuse do you have? Why aren't you making REAL
passages?


Real??? I just got back from 8 weeks of cruising, having logged more
time and miles than you have in your life. In fact, just about every
summer for the last 50 years I've sailed more than you have in your
whole life.


I'm not a lonely guy, Jeff. Racing is for the desperately wealthy or
the desperately lonely.


Now its clear why Suzy has taken up racing.

I have a sex life...and enough cash to buy a
300K + boat in a few years.


Why not now? Are you waiting for a relative to die?

Captain Crunch August 21st 07 04:00 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Captain Crunch wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Captain Crunch wrote:

Very nice but, why oh why are you still sailing with your dfenders
whomped up on the rails????


So he won't hurt the other boats when he side-swipes them?

They were up on the deck....


But at-the-ready, just in case.

yeah...right....like a couple of fenders would ward off a couple of tons
of fiberglass ebaring down at you at 6K...


Ya think boob's boat's ever been 6K (under sail)?

ebaring? Like eBay?



Capt. Rob August 22nd 07 12:56 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
After you inherit 295k in a few years, right?



We already inherited a lot more than that.
Sucks to be you!


RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob August 22nd 07 01:19 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
Off course, a "well sailed" NS would beat your boat any day.


Yeah, I guess none of the ones we see and pass are "well sailed." In
fact I bet you're the only old fart who can sail one well!!!!
Next to Doug, no one is as full of himself as you, Jeff. Sadly, it's a
glass half empty.



The Nonsuch.



Well that says it all. Like it or not, Jeff, the Nonsuch is regarded
as an "old persons" boat. In fact the two I sold were ownd by guys too
old to keep them and they were both bought by retired guys. The one we
see often is sailed by an old couple and they bought it from a guy
who's now DEAD! Most young folks seek a bit more fun, Jeff.


I do??? In your imagination, perhaps.


Nope. Jeff, you've brought up the value of your boat again and again.
It's really sad. I clearly do it to play with people but I think it's
clear that it REALLY matters to you. That's just sad at your age!


What do you mean? Do you really think I care at all? You can buy
a
Swan or an Oyster or whatever. Of course, you'll still be a
terrified, seasick little boy who's afraid to leave the Sound.


You do realize that the last part of the above post makes it beyond
obvious thay you care deeply. You're a troubled fellow.



I'm really scared. Yup, I am.


You should be.


And sure that with your new boat
you'll finally do that "Sail to Nowhere"


Nah. But we're going to block island in a few weeks. That should be
fun.



Let's just hope your condition stays in remission.


Doesn't appear to be a remission anymore. There is no sign of my
illness in any tests over 3 years. Roughly 5% of patients experience
what I have. As usual I'm the lucky one.



And seriously, when Thomas is 5 it would be the perfect time to
take a
year and do some real cruising

Not a year. But we're going to use a friend's boat to sail the Greek
Islands for 6 weeks. Thomas will be with us for 4 of them.


er that point
he'll be in school and it will be a long time before you can really
get away.


We're happy to be sailing, Jeff. We like our house and land. We like
the woods and we like the LIS. I may even get into some local lake
sailing. Sorry that's so hard on you.



Sure thing Booby. You've had the helm for how many races now?
Zero?
Or is it twice that many?


Probably 4 races, all J24's at the helm. I'd still beat you for sure.
I have no doubt. I can trim a boat to perfection and find the groove
within the groove that don't even know exists. Even my racing buddies
say I have the knack for the tiller and wheel. Sorry that's so hard on
you.



Real??? I just got back from 8 weeks of cruising, having logged
more
time and miles than you have in your life.


Total nonsense. We sail 3-4 times a week in 4-8 hour stretches. We
don't anchor. We SAIL, Jeff. And we do it on a lot of fun boats while
you langiush aboard an ugly floating flaptrap.


Now its clear why Suzy has taken up racing.


Yup. She's got a lot of money now. I'm spending on my audio and
theatre stuff and maybe a nicer sports car soon.


Why not now? Are you waiting for a relative to die?


Thomas is 3 and the larger boat wouldn't fit our plans for now. When
he's 5-6 it's the perfect time, since we plan to buy a place right on
the CT shore at about that time.
Sorry that's so hard on you!

Enjoy your motorsailing!



RB
35s5
NY



Jeff August 22nd 07 03:43 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
* Capt. Rob wrote, On 8/21/2007 8:19 PM:
Off course, a "well sailed" NS would beat your boat any day.


Yeah, I guess none of the ones we see and pass are "well sailed." In
fact I bet you're the only old fart who can sail one well!!!!
Next to Doug, no one is as full of himself as you, Jeff. Sadly, it's a
glass half empty.


Your jealously is showing showing again. I make one little comment
that a jib appeared over trimmed, and you end up making an ass of
yourself again in this pathetic display.


The Nonsuch.



Well that says it all. Like it or not, Jeff, the Nonsuch is regarded
as an "old persons" boat. In fact the two I sold were ownd by guys too
old to keep them and they were both bought by retired guys. The one we
see often is sailed by an old couple and they bought it from a guy
who's now DEAD! Most young folks seek a bit more fun, Jeff.


At the time I bought the Nonsuch I was also racing Lasers. How much
dinghy racing have you been doing lately, Bob?


I do??? In your imagination, perhaps.


Nope. Jeff, you've brought up the value of your boat again and again.


That's a rather bold lie. I don't recall ever mentioning the price,
though if someone asked I might have answered. Or I might have
commented on the rough market values of various classes of boats. In
general, I don't comment on the price of any specific person's boat.

You, on the other hand, are totally obsessed by your perception of the
value of each person's boat. You imagine because you see the world
like that everyone else must, and so you accuse me of it. Its
cowardly lies like this that totally destroy your credibility on any
topic.


It's really sad. I clearly do it to play with people but I think it's
clear that it REALLY matters to you. That's just sad at your age!


Show me a post where I ever discussed the value of someone's boat.

You might as well just admit you're a cowardly liar.



What do you mean? Do you really think I care at all? You can buy
a
Swan or an Oyster or whatever. Of course, you'll still be a
terrified, seasick little boy who's afraid to leave the Sound.

You do realize that the last part of the above post makes it beyond
obvious thay you care deeply. I'm a troubled fellow.


Care? Not at all. Just perceptive.


And sure that with your new boat
you'll finally do that "Sail to Nowhere"


Nah. But we're going to block island in a few weeks. That should be
fun.


An other one of your claims. One of these days, you might even follow
through on one.

But I doubt it.


Capt. Rob August 22nd 07 05:12 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
At the time I bought the Nonsuch I was also racing Lasers. How
much
dinghy racing have you been doing lately, Bob?


This past month I've sailed Rhodes 19 twice, Santana 30/30, J30, J29,
my Beneteau 35s5 and Hunter 280. Thursday I'm out on the J29 again.
Sorry, Jeff, but I'm happy you once sailed Lasers. They're fun!


I don't recall ever


Now that's no surprise!



Its
cowardly lies like this that totally destroy your credibility on any
topic.


Yeah. Notice the group rallying to your defense on this one?



Care? Not at all. Just perceptive.


Nutty shallow people always make comments like that. I'm sure we're
all impressed with your powers of perception, Jeff. Really. We. Are!



An other one of your claims. One of these days, you might even
follow
through on one.


Already been to Block Island, Jeff. Sorry. Also: Port Jeff, Norwalk,
Mystic and so one. Is that a big deal? They're all close. Like I
always maintain, you're one of those sailing clowns who thinks sailing
is about distances. Of course you do because it's the only thing you
can hang your hat on, which you clearly need. How can anyone your age
be so insecure? I'm happy sailing my boat the way I sail it. Why does
that upset you so much?


But I doubt it.


Seems like your evasive happiness is bolstered by the imagined doubts
about others.
You and Doug are two of a kind.
Everyone e-mailed me and said they were VERY impressed that you've
sailed 50 days+. That's REALLY great! Anyone got a dog biscuit for
Jeff? Or maybe some Prozac?



RB
35s5
NY


Scotty August 22nd 07 01:41 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
After you inherit 295k in a few years, right?



We already inherited a lot more than that.
Sucks to be you!


then why did you write that you couldn't afford your dream
boat for a few more years?

Scotty (LOVES his current boat)



Ringmaster August 23rd 07 06:38 AM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
It was interesting to see the boats sailing side by side. Flying
a 150%, while we flew a 125%

That 30/30s headsail sure doesn't look like a 150. Looks more like a
125-130. It's probably the guy's #2 you ******.

35s5 always bringing up the rear.


Capt. Rob August 23rd 07 12:47 PM

Heart of Gold Sails on...and on....
 
then why did you write that you couldn't afford your dream
boat for a few more years?


Please link to the post where I said we couldn't afford to buy the
boat now. We're just waiting for Thomas to be a bit older. Sorry,
Scotty. Some folks did well enough to actually not end up with a
Siedelman is our golden years!
Yours are TIN!


Scotty (LOVES his current boat...on Land)


Yup.



RB
35s5
NY




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