Seahag wrote:
"roger" wrote:

katy wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:

We all scream for sunscreen...

What do you use? Maybe you should think about
upgrading...

Consumer Reports rated Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch
SPF 45 as the best
and the best buy as No-Ad Sunblock Lotion Maximum SPF
45. Both are highly
rated for UVA and UVB.

If you have any types of allergies, watch the No_Ad
one...gave me little
blisters and bumps...I only use 15 when I use any at
all....the ebst
protection agaisnt "bad rays" is to go unexposed fr the
first 15
minutes...the bkody has its' own defense mechanism that
triggers the
pigment in the skin to protect but only after 15
minutes...you also need
that amount of time to absorb Vitamin d...then after 15
minutes put on
the block or screen or whatever...I am most fortunate
that I have olive
skin so don't burn very easily....

I used that No Ad crap on my face and neck before a job
interview. I
sat there looking like a toad with blisters and bumps on
my face and
neck. I didn't get the job.

Ocean Potion puts orange sweat marks and ring around the
collar on my
clothes. Bleach won't take the stains out but soaking
overnight in
Oxyclean does.

I tried Bull Frog, but if you don't put it on fast enough,
it dries
really fast and you look like you have pieces of dried
snot on your
face.

Now i use that spray on Bull Frog. I luv the stuff. It
doubles as
aftershave because it has alcohol in it and stings your
face. They
even have a version with Deet in it.


Lol, great testimonials! Think I'll stick with my Water
Babies! Lol...

Seahag


Did you get the one that's purple until it soaks in? I bought some of
that for the kids and Mr Sails grabbed it instead of his
usaul...hahahahaha.....he always pours gobs on and it took him a while
before he stopped looking like Barney...I've been using Australian
Gold..it's not greasy and seems to do the trick...about the only
casualty I had this year was the rim of my ears when I was wearing a
baseball cap instead of a wide brim one day...

There is a lot of hype put about regarding the dangers of sun exposure
put about by those profiting from the cancer creation industry.
Remember for each person who dies of skin cancer 30 excess deaths
occur in the most common cancers breast prostate lung colon, These and
13 other cancers thrive in vitamin d depleted bodies.
Applying sunscreen/sunblock prevents UVB rays from reaching the skin.
Putting it on before you go out therefore totally prevents any vitamin
d being made.
This is why the average European woman has Vitamin d status around
50nmol/L, the level needed for maximum calcium absorption is 80nmol/L
and to have 50% less breast cancer it's best to have 130nmol/L. If the
advice from "Official" sources was correct we would not have the
current deficiency epidemic. 9 out of 10 UK White adults are below
75nomol/l in Winter and 60% remain so the whole year. If you take the
official RDA vitamin D and follow official RDA advice you will be
vitamin d deficient. Similarly if you rely on your doctor to correct
that deficiency you will be ill advised as they generally prescribe D2
Ergocalciferol and The Case Against Ergocalciferol as a Vitamin
Supplement explains why. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/694

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...rch=1 7259988
DCs metabolize sunlight-induced vitamin D3 to 'program' T cell
attraction to the epidermal chemokine CCL27. explains how when UVB
rays touch your skin the first thing the newly made Vitamin D3 does is
to program your "T"Cells to start fighting skin cancer.

Vitamin D synthesis is a heat driven self-limiting process. This means
you need an erythemal index above 3 and UVB rays. These are only
present when your shadow is shorter than your height and if you live
above latitude 37 during the summer. The self-limiting bit means that
once the cholesterol in your skin is converted to vitamin d3 it then
should further heat be applied, be further processed into
suprasterols. These are not used. So to maximise your vitamin D
production you need to GO INSIDE or COVER UP after 20 minutes. (you
will make 1000iu every 5 minutes so 20 minutes full body (or near as
possible) exposure provides the amount you use daily. If you are
trying to build stores for the Winter or rectify a deficiency
situation then wait an hour for your skin to cool and the vitamin d to
be absorbed then try for another 15 mins. But be aware 10,000iu is
about all that the body usually makes each day so is a natural
maximum. So 1x 20 + 2 x 15mins exposures are around the most anyone
can benefit from.

"tedhutchinson" wrote in message
ups.com...
There is a lot of hype put about regarding the dangers of sun exposure
put about by those profiting from the cancer creation industry.
Remember for each person who dies of skin cancer 30 excess deaths
occur in the most common cancers breast prostate lung colon, These and
13 other cancers thrive in vitamin d depleted bodies.


Oh what complete bs. Do you really believe that using sunscreen prevents all
UVB or UVA from getting through? Have you even read the literature? Unless
you have very dark skin, typically brown/black, and if you live in areas
that don't get much sun (like extreme north or south), you get plenty of
sun. Do you put on sunscreen walking to the car, to the mall, to the
mailbox?

Feel free to die of skin cancer if that's your choice....


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On 14 Aug, 19:58, "Capt. JG" wrote:

Oh what complete bs. Do you really believe that using sunscreen prevents all
UVB or UVA from getting through? Have you even read the literature? Unless
you have very dark skin, typically brown/black, and if you live in areas
that don't get much sun (like extreme north or south), you get plenty of
sun. Do you put on sunscreen walking to the car, to the mall, to the
mailbox?

Feel free to die of skin cancer if that's your choice....

--
"j" ganz

If it were the case that casual sun exposure provided sufficient
Vitamin D to meet our daily needs we would not have the current
epidemic of Vitamin D insufficiency.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/3/860 shows the 9 out of
10 UK adults have less than 75nmol/L in the Winter and 60% remain
deficient during the Summer.

Feel free to die of those 17 cancers that thrive in Vitamin D
insufficient bodies if that's your choice but I'd rather risk skin
cancer than all this lot. lung, prostate, colon, breast ovary uterus
bladder Oesophagus kidney pancreas stomach gallbladder larynx Hodgkin
lymphoma non Hodgkin lymphoma myeloma For each skin cancer death there
are over 30 attibutable to the effects of low vitamin D status.

Even melanoma is inversly related to vitamin D status. Those people
with melanoma who have the highest vitamin D status have the best
prognosis and the fewest repeats. The central cause of melanoma, is
not sun exposure, but an imbalance in the omega 6 to 3 fat ratio.
Epidemiological, experimental, and mechanistic data implicate omega-6
fat as stimulators and long-chain omega-3 fats as inhibitors of
development and progression of a range of human cancers, including
melanoma.
Rather than promote the use of sunscreens and severely limit the
valuable benefits of UV-B radiation, we should encourage the judicious
use of clothing and timed sun exposure.

"tedhutchinson" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 14 Aug, 19:58, "Capt. JG" wrote:

Oh what complete bs. Do you really believe that using sunscreen prevents
all
UVB or UVA from getting through? Have you even read the literature?
Unless
you have very dark skin, typically brown/black, and if you live in areas
that don't get much sun (like extreme north or south), you get plenty of
sun. Do you put on sunscreen walking to the car, to the mall, to the
mailbox?

Feel free to die of skin cancer if that's your choice....

--
"j" ganz

If it were the case that casual sun exposure provided sufficient
Vitamin D to meet our daily needs we would not have the current
epidemic of Vitamin D insufficiency.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/3/860 shows the 9 out of
10 UK adults have less than 75nmol/L in the Winter and 60% remain
deficient during the Summer.

Feel free to die of those 17 cancers that thrive in Vitamin D
insufficient bodies if that's your choice but I'd rather risk skin
cancer than all this lot. lung, prostate, colon, breast ovary uterus
bladder Oesophagus kidney pancreas stomach gallbladder larynx Hodgkin
lymphoma non Hodgkin lymphoma myeloma For each skin cancer death there
are over 30 attibutable to the effects of low vitamin D status.

Even melanoma is inversly related to vitamin D status. Those people
with melanoma who have the highest vitamin D status have the best
prognosis and the fewest repeats. The central cause of melanoma, is
not sun exposure, but an imbalance in the omega 6 to 3 fat ratio.
Epidemiological, experimental, and mechanistic data implicate omega-6
fat as stimulators and long-chain omega-3 fats as inhibitors of
development and progression of a range of human cancers, including
melanoma.
Rather than promote the use of sunscreens and severely limit the
valuable benefits of UV-B radiation, we should encourage the judicious
use of clothing and timed sun exposure.



Key phrase... UK adults. We actually see sun from time to time.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"tedhutchinson" wrote in message
ups.com...

On 14 Aug, 19:58, "Capt. JG" wrote:


Oh what complete bs. Do you really believe that using sunscreen prevents
all
UVB or UVA from getting through? Have you even read the literature?
Unless
you have very dark skin, typically brown/black, and if you live in areas
that don't get much sun (like extreme north or south), you get plenty of
sun. Do you put on sunscreen walking to the car, to the mall, to the
mailbox?

Feel free to die of skin cancer if that's your choice....

--
"j" ganz

If it were the case that casual sun exposure provided sufficient
Vitamin D to meet our daily needs we would not have the current
epidemic of Vitamin D insufficiency.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/3/860 shows the 9 out of
10 UK adults have less than 75nmol/L in the Winter and 60% remain
deficient during the Summer.

Feel free to die of those 17 cancers that thrive in Vitamin D
insufficient bodies if that's your choice but I'd rather risk skin
cancer than all this lot. lung, prostate, colon, breast ovary uterus
bladder Oesophagus kidney pancreas stomach gallbladder larynx Hodgkin
lymphoma non Hodgkin lymphoma myeloma For each skin cancer death there
are over 30 attibutable to the effects of low vitamin D status.

Even melanoma is inversly related to vitamin D status. Those people
with melanoma who have the highest vitamin D status have the best
prognosis and the fewest repeats. The central cause of melanoma, is
not sun exposure, but an imbalance in the omega 6 to 3 fat ratio.
Epidemiological, experimental, and mechanistic data implicate omega-6
fat as stimulators and long-chain omega-3 fats as inhibitors of
development and progression of a range of human cancers, including
melanoma.
Rather than promote the use of sunscreens and severely limit the
valuable benefits of UV-B radiation, we should encourage the judicious
use of clothing and timed sun exposure.




Key phrase... UK adults. We actually see sun from time to time.

Key phrase: US Adults and CHildren

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/77333.php

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...158/6/531?etoc

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...158/6/531?etoc

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"tedhutchinson" wrote in message
ups.com...

On 14 Aug, 19:58, "Capt. JG" wrote:


Oh what complete bs. Do you really believe that using sunscreen prevents
all
UVB or UVA from getting through? Have you even read the literature?
Unless
you have very dark skin, typically brown/black, and if you live in areas
that don't get much sun (like extreme north or south), you get plenty of
sun. Do you put on sunscreen walking to the car, to the mall, to the
mailbox?

Feel free to die of skin cancer if that's your choice....

--
"j" ganz

If it were the case that casual sun exposure provided sufficient
Vitamin D to meet our daily needs we would not have the current
epidemic of Vitamin D insufficiency.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/3/860 shows the 9 out of
10 UK adults have less than 75nmol/L in the Winter and 60% remain
deficient during the Summer.

Feel free to die of those 17 cancers that thrive in Vitamin D
insufficient bodies if that's your choice but I'd rather risk skin
cancer than all this lot. lung, prostate, colon, breast ovary uterus
bladder Oesophagus kidney pancreas stomach gallbladder larynx Hodgkin
lymphoma non Hodgkin lymphoma myeloma For each skin cancer death there
are over 30 attibutable to the effects of low vitamin D status.

Even melanoma is inversly related to vitamin D status. Those people
with melanoma who have the highest vitamin D status have the best
prognosis and the fewest repeats. The central cause of melanoma, is
not sun exposure, but an imbalance in the omega 6 to 3 fat ratio.
Epidemiological, experimental, and mechanistic data implicate omega-6
fat as stimulators and long-chain omega-3 fats as inhibitors of
development and progression of a range of human cancers, including
melanoma.
Rather than promote the use of sunscreens and severely limit the
valuable benefits of UV-B radiation, we should encourage the judicious
use of clothing and timed sun exposure.




Key phrase... UK adults. We actually see sun from time to time.

Key phrase: US Adults and CHildren

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/77333.php

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...158/6/531?etoc

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...158/6/531?etoc


Most common in those with dark skin. Most common in the north. Feel free not
to cover up if you think that by doing so, you'll be able to cover every
spot on your skin.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katy" wrote:
Seahag wrote:

Think I'll stick with my Water Babies!


Did you get the one that's purple until it soaks in? I
bought some of that for the kids and Mr Sails grabbed it
instead of his usaul...hahahahaha.....he always pours gobs
on and it took him a while before he stopped looking like
Barney...I've been using Australian Gold..it's not greasy
and seems to do the trick...about the only casualty I had
this year was the rim of my ears when I was wearing a
baseball cap instead of a wide brim one day...

Haha, no it's not purple! The kids musta got a hoot out of
that!
It was what was laying around the boatyard when I was
working there full time in the sun. Now I just stick with
long pants, long sleeved shirts, and my big ass gardening
hat. I still get pretty dark here and there but no burns.
People give me funny looks when I got to the
dermatologist's...I tend to stick out of the pasty white
crowd.

Seahag