On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:12:31 -0400, Jeff wrote:


As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst weather,"
every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been closed -
they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks in 100 mph
winds!

Preperation should have already been done by the time the winds get
that high.

In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!


Because, unfortunately, many owners just pull out their insurance
policy to make sure they are covered, then let it go. Instead of
properly preparing for the anticipated tide lift and winds.

The marina owners are worried about the damage that will be done to
their docks, electrical and water distribution systems, and other
fixed facilities when your improperly prepared boat runs amok.

And although many marinas have that policy, it is largely ignored in
my area, particularly by the remote owners.

Frank











* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/17/2007 10:45 AM:
Scotty crapped:

As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer

TOTAL BULL ****!




No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you show how little
you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around repeating
generalities they've heard without any practical knowledge at all.
Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples of this
problem.
So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings.

1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of abuse and simply
take to much pounding to be of value against a well protected marina
with slips.

2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty of collisions
due to operator error and boats breaking free and playing pinball with
others.

3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never experiences weather that
can damage it, the boats are better off than those exposed on
moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as ALL of the boats
damaged were from moorings.

4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due to the
accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat.

5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful and transferring
to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older folks will be at
risk along with children. Our protected slips see about half that much
wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer.

6) Slips are usually protected by one or more breakwaters, leaving the
boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored boats see far
more wave action and lines, standing rigging and steering systems take
a pounding.

7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst weather when you
have well designed and located slips like ours.

8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are plenty) are on
the boats that are moored.

So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas. There are
plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a mooring is a lot
smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other popular
sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get into how much
more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or how much better
it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if Suzanne and I want
privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can be used by
members. The best of both worlds.
One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have moved to slips
and the mooring damage cycle has ended.


RB
35s5
NY

In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.
Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!


RB
35s5
NY

* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 9:00 AM:
In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.
Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!

Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!

Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire
catch chants "we caught YOU!"
Hilarious!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll
bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then
Scotty
turns it into his own little troll and catches ME!
Hilarious!



Yulp, pretty funny.

* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 5:57 PM:
Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire
catch chants "we caught YOU!"
Hilarious!

Yup, its real funny. Scotty posted 3 or 4 words and that caused you
to write hundreds in response. And you look like even more of a
jackass for claiming a "victory"!

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:05 -0000, "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.

Not done here, but then this is a year round in the water place.
Yards are for bottom maintenance, not enough room to haul everybody.
Plus, with a Katrina type storm, being hauled and remaining at waters
edge is of no benefit. The practice is to head down the Sound and
then into the back waters to your favorite hurricane hole. But,
depending on the marina location, that could end up being 20-30 miles.
Depending on mast height, must be done well in advance, cause once the
land exodus begins it's 200 miles of bumper to bumper and they ain't
going to open the bridges.

Frank


Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!


RB
35s5
NY