In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.
Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!


RB
35s5
NY

* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 9:00 AM:
In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.
Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!

Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!

Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire
catch chants "we caught YOU!"
Hilarious!


RB
35s5
NY

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:05 -0000, "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.

Not done here, but then this is a year round in the water place.
Yards are for bottom maintenance, not enough room to haul everybody.
Plus, with a Katrina type storm, being hauled and remaining at waters
edge is of no benefit. The practice is to head down the Sound and
then into the back waters to your favorite hurricane hole. But,
depending on the marina location, that could end up being 20-30 miles.
Depending on mast height, must be done well in advance, cause once the
land exodus begins it's 200 miles of bumper to bumper and they ain't
going to open the bridges.

Frank


Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!


RB
35s5
NY

As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst weather,"
every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been closed -
they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks in 100 mph
winds! In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove
the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Jeff, thanks for a measured and "none trolling" response to my troll.
I think your comment about injuries at the dock are true in part. We
just had a death at my club because a guy was messing around on his
boat and fell off. The feeling of security dockside can lead some
people to conduct themselves in an unsafe manner. I'd guess that
drinking is typical factor.
I have also seen boats in marinas catch those dings, but the serious
damage we handle in the shop comes more often from moored boats. Last
season I posted a couple of pics of damaged boats which has slammed
into the City Island bridge after a bad blow. 1 sank and the others
were seriously damaged. Nothing at our club was damaged, but I did run
out and TRIPLE up on my lines during that storm. I also helped others
do the same. Boats on moorings were sitting ducks and it seemed that
every boat that broke loose or dragged, struck two other boats. These
things can happen and we'd prefer to plan for the worst of course.


RB
35s5
NY

Once again, Jeff is the voice of reason and Bob is full of
****.

Scotty


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
There is certainly no doubt that there are advantages to
keeping a
boat in a slip. I've been willing to pay the premium for
the
convenience, even though we're gone more than half of the
summer. You
can always say that *some* slips are more protected, and
*some*
moorings are less protected. But one must be careful of
generalities.

In my experience, most marinas are well protected, but not
all. For
example, in Vineyard Haven I just spent some time on a
mooring behind
the breakwater feeling quite secure. In fact, I've sat
out several
gales and near miss hurricanes in that spot. The nearby
marinas,
however, are not protected and generally are emptied (to
unprotected
moorings!) when a Nor'easter blows up.

While some mooring fields feel like bumper ball, most have
generous
spacing and frankly, I've seen (and perhaps caused) more
damage from
sloppy boat handling in marinas than in mooring fields.
My boat only
has a few dings, but all have been caused in a marina.

Curiously, although it would seem that getting on and off
is riskier
on a mooring than on a dock, I, and my family members,
have had a
number of minor injuries on docks, but none from dinghy or
launch
incidents. I don't count my hurt pride from flipping the
dinghy once
in Northeast Harbor!

As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst
weather,"
every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been
closed -
they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks
in 100 mph
winds! In fact, there are many marinas that require you
to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a
mooring!



* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/17/2007 10:45 AM:
Scotty crapped:

As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer

TOTAL BULL ****!




No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you
show how little
you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around
repeating
generalities they've heard without any practical
knowledge at all.
Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples
of this
problem.
So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings.

1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of
abuse and simply
take to much pounding to be of value against a well
protected marina
with slips.

2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty
of collisions
due to operator error and boats breaking free and
playing pinball with
others.

3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never
experiences weather that
can damage it, the boats are better off than those
exposed on
moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as
ALL of the boats
damaged were from moorings.

4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due
to the
accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat.

5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful
and transferring
to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older
folks will be at
risk along with children. Our protected slips see about
half that much
wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer.

6) Slips are usually protected by one or more
breakwaters, leaving the
boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored
boats see far
more wave action and lines, standing rigging and
steering systems take
a pounding.

7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst
weather when you
have well designed and located slips like ours.

8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are
plenty) are on
the boats that are moored.

So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas.
There are
plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a
mooring is a lot
smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other
popular
sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get
into how much
more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or
how much better
it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if
Suzanne and I want
privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can
be used by
members. The best of both worlds.
One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have
moved to slips
and the mooring damage cycle has ended.


RB
35s5
NY