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Capt. JG wrote:
"Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Bzzzt.... Gore won. Bush is the president, who's been lying to the American people since day one. Feel free to attack me personally, since that's what right-wingnuts are good at... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Hmmmmm.... "just anger and hate"? Maybe try to re-read your post(s). Ok... 99.234% anger and hate. Feel better? As related to your posts, I agree. |
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"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 1, 1:13 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: ... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Jon, when it comes to our fine president, you are the most hateful person on earth...it's all you spew. Nothing constructive, attacks all the time. In any case, our fine president lied and continues to lie. Are youy saying that he's following closely in the footsteps if his predecessor? He hasn't lied to a Grand Jury like slick Willie. True. He didn't lie about a blow job. He lied about a war. Yet when your party..the people you elected on promises to change things in 100 days, mo. years .....whatever, do nothing, we do not hear a peep about it from you. They did more than nothing, but not enough. Of course, I can admit that and feel good about it. You on the other hand must believe what Bu****/Cheney says. What have they done that they promised to do? Please list it for us. Feel free to look it up. I'm sure you'll enjoy the exercise. Why not? You dog the **** out of the president, yet say nothing about the folks who suckered you with a big FN lie about doing something different in 100 whatevers. You call our president a murderer yet say nothing about the actual people murdering our troops or civilians. Next time in English. Its pretty clear. Isn't it though. So don't preach to me about hate, you are blinded by it.. Well, you told me there. And you still don't hear.... We're talking vision, not decibel level. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Bzzzt.... Gore won. Bush is the president, who's been lying to the American people since day one. Feel free to attack me personally, since that's what right-wingnuts are good at... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Hmmmmm.... "just anger and hate"? Maybe try to re-read your post(s). Ok... 99.234% anger and hate. Feel better? As related to your posts, I agree. I think you need to re-read Joe's last post.... assuming you know how to read... oh you must... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 1, 1:13 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: ... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Jon, when it comes to our fine president, you are the most hateful person on earth...it's all you spew. Nothing constructive, attacks all the time. In any case, our fine president lied and continues to lie. Are youy saying that he's following closely in the footsteps if his predecessor? He hasn't lied to a Grand Jury like slick Willie. True. He didn't lie about a blow job. He lied about a war. Clinton lied to a Grand Jury. That was a felony. He was impeached for a felony. It wasn't just a blow job. It was a felony. What part of felony is difficult to comprehend? Yet when your party..the people you elected on promises to change things in 100 days, mo. years .....whatever, do nothing, we do not hear a peep about it from you. They did more than nothing, but not enough. Of course, I can admit that and feel good about it. You on the other hand must believe what Bu****/Cheney says. What have they done that they promised to do? Please list it for us. Feel free to look it up. I'm sure you'll enjoy the exercise. You made the claim. You need to back it up. Make a list. Prove your statement. Why not? You dog the **** out of the president, yet say nothing about the folks who suckered you with a big FN lie about doing something different in 100 whatevers. You call our president a murderer yet say nothing about the actual people murdering our troops or civilians. Next time in English. Its pretty clear. Isn't it though. Maybe you have problems that the rest of the world doesn't have. So don't preach to me about hate, you are blinded by it.. Well, you told me there. And you still don't hear.... We're talking vision, not decibel level. We're talking about comprehension. And you seem to be lacking that as well. |
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"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 1, 1:13 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: ... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Jon, when it comes to our fine president, you are the most hateful person on earth...it's all you spew. Nothing constructive, attacks all the time. In any case, our fine president lied and continues to lie. Are youy saying that he's following closely in the footsteps if his predecessor? He hasn't lied to a Grand Jury like slick Willie. True. He didn't lie about a blow job. He lied about a war. Clinton lied to a Grand Jury. That was a felony. He was impeached for a felony. It wasn't just a blow job. It was a felony. What part of felony is difficult to comprehend? Not a thing. What don't you understand about lies that cost 1000s of lives? Yet when your party..the people you elected on promises to change things in 100 days, mo. years .....whatever, do nothing, we do not hear a peep about it from you. They did more than nothing, but not enough. Of course, I can admit that and feel good about it. You on the other hand must believe what Bu****/Cheney says. What have they done that they promised to do? Please list it for us. Feel free to look it up. I'm sure you'll enjoy the exercise. You made the claim. You need to back it up. Make a list. Prove your statement. But, you really need to look it up. I think you'd enjoy it a lot more. Why not? You dog the **** out of the president, yet say nothing about the folks who suckered you with a big FN lie about doing something different in 100 whatevers. You call our president a murderer yet say nothing about the actual people murdering our troops or civilians. Next time in English. Its pretty clear. Isn't it though. Maybe you have problems that the rest of the world doesn't have. I'm sure I do. Apparently, I'm not alone in that troll. So don't preach to me about hate, you are blinded by it.. Well, you told me there. And you still don't hear.... We're talking vision, not decibel level. We're talking about comprehension. And you seem to be lacking that as well. You certainly are an expert when it comes to lack of comprehension. I yield to your expertise on the subject. Well, have a wonderful week. I'm actually going boating for the entire week. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Nathan Branden" wrote in message ... On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:06:07 -0400, Horvath wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:30:13 -0500, Frank Boettcher wrote this crap: No liberals in the USMC. NB In my admittedly short stays at Parris Island, ITR, Camp Lejuene Amtrack pad, Camp Pendelton's Oceanside Amtrack pad, and Quantico, VA, I don't remember ever discussing or hearing discussed, anyone's position along the conservative, liberal, continuum. Of course it was a long time ago. Frank In my long stays at Fort Sill, Fort Gordon, Fort Lewis, Fort Knox, Fort, Bragg, Fort Cambell, etc., etc., etc., we ALWAYS discussed politics. Most military personnell are very conservative. This post is 100% free of steroids The Army stays in "Forts" which implies a defensive posture. The USMC stays in "Camps" which implies constant movement on the offensive. You are right that politics is a big topic in the military, especially amongst the more educated commissioned officers. I was a junior officer in the USMC until I got promoted to the Navy Seals. NB Hey, dummy, nobody "gets promoted" into the elite Navy Seals. Everybody's got to go through training camp. It's the most difficult training camp in the world. Many cannot cut the mustard. You are a Freaking Liar! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Thanks, but I think I'm well-read on the subject. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com That's a relief. I was afraid I had insulted you. |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:21:00 -0500, Nathan Branden
wrote this crap: In my long stays at Fort Sill, Fort Gordon, Fort Lewis, Fort Knox, Fort, Bragg, Fort Cambell, etc., etc., etc., we ALWAYS discussed politics. Most military personnell are very conservative. The Army stays in "Forts" which implies a defensive posture. The USMC stays in "Camps" which implies constant movement on the offensive. Bzzzzt! Wrong answer,dumbass! I am a retired military officer, and after spending more than twenty years in the military, I am somewhat of an expert. "Forts," are permanant facilities. "Camps," are temporary. The Army has plenty of camps. One of the most famous is Camp Perry, where the NRA National Rifle Matches take place. You are right that politics is a big topic in the military, especially amongst the more educated commissioned officers. I was a junior officer in the USMC until I got promoted to the Navy Seals. NB Wrong again, dumbass. Nobody gets promoted to the Navy Seals. If you were an officer in the USMC, you would have to have a College degree. That would make you one of the educated commissioned officers. I am calling you a liar. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. Sell your boat and help her. Help who? The Bombardier |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:10:29 GMT, "Capt. Lewry"
wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. Sell your boat and help her. Help who? The Bombardier I'm the bombardier?, I'm OK. |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:25:51 -0500, Nathan Branden
wrote this crap: On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:47:39 -0400, Horvath wrote: On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:21:00 -0500, Nathan Branden wrote this crap: In my long stays at Fort Sill, Fort Gordon, Fort Lewis, Fort Knox, Fort, Bragg, Fort Cambell, etc., etc., etc., we ALWAYS discussed politics. Most military personnell are very conservative. The Army stays in "Forts" which implies a defensive posture. The USMC stays in "Camps" which implies constant movement on the offensive. Bzzzzt! Wrong answer,dumbass! I am a retired military officer, and after spending more than twenty years in the military, I am somewhat of an expert. "Forts," are permanant facilities. "Camps," are temporary. The Army has plenty of camps. One of the most famous is Camp Perry, where the NRA National Rifle Matches take place. You are right that politics is a big topic in the military, especially amongst the more educated commissioned officers. I was a junior officer in the USMC until I got promoted to the Navy Seals. NB Wrong again, dumbass. Nobody gets promoted to the Navy Seals. If you were an officer in the USMC, you would have to have a College degree. That would make you one of the educated commissioned officers. I am calling you a liar. It is obvious you are an Army type who has never read Clausewitz. I You just ****ed me off. My copy of Clausewitz is highlighted, and there are notes on every page. As is my copy of Sun Tzu, and War Commentaries of Caesar. And many other books in my library. shot at Camp Perry with a Stoner rifle along with my Seal Squadron. After 20 years what rank did you have? Ensign? Ensign? Ensign? Ensign? You have proved yourself a fool! There are no Ensigns in the Army! This post is 100% free of steroids |
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Your not only a SCHMUCK but a MORON TOO.
and severely mentally challenged...."Forts" DOES imply a defensive posture and reflects The Army's American History. Defensive Forts Built across America during it's expansion "Camps" DOES imply constant movement on the offensive and reflects the Marine Corp's History! "Horvath" wrote in message . com... On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:21:00 -0500, Nathan Branden wrote this crap: In my long stays at Fort Sill, Fort Gordon, Fort Lewis, Fort Knox, Fort, Bragg, Fort Cambell, etc., etc., etc., we ALWAYS discussed politics. Most military personnell are very conservative. The Army stays in "Forts" which implies a defensive posture. The USMC stays in "Camps" which implies constant movement on the offensive. Bzzzzt! Wrong answer,dumbass! I am a retired military officer, and after spending more than twenty years in the military, I am somewhat of an expert. "Forts," are permanant facilities. "Camps," are temporary. The Army has plenty of camps. One of the most famous is Camp Perry, where the NRA National Rifle Matches take place. You are right that politics is a big topic in the military, especially amongst the more educated commissioned officers. I was a junior officer in the USMC until I got promoted to the Navy Seals. NB Wrong again, dumbass. Nobody gets promoted to the Navy Seals. If you were an officer in the USMC, you would have to have a College degree. That would make you one of the educated commissioned officers. I am calling you a liar. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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On Jul 2, 9:21 am, Nathan Branden wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:06:07 -0400, Horvath wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:30:13 -0500, Frank Boettcher wrote this crap: No liberals in the USMC. NB In my admittedly short stays at Parris Island, ITR, Camp Lejuene Amtrack pad, Camp Pendelton's Oceanside Amtrack pad, and Quantico, VA, I don't remember ever discussing or hearing discussed, anyone's position along the conservative, liberal, continuum. Of course it was a long time ago. Frank In my long stays at Fort Sill, Fort Gordon, Fort Lewis, Fort Knox, Fort, Bragg, Fort Cambell, etc., etc., etc., we ALWAYS discussed politics. Most military personnell are very conservative. This post is 100% free of steroids The Army stays in "Forts" which implies a defensive posture. The USMC stays in "Camps" which implies constant movement on the offensive. You are right that politics is a big topic in the military, especially amongst the more educated commissioned officers. I was a junior officer in the USMC until I got promoted to the Navy Seals. NB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are so full of **** it's coming outta your ears. Joe |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:03:34 GMT, "
wrote this crap: Your not only a SCHMUCK but a MORON TOO. and severely mentally challenged...."Forts" DOES imply a defensive posture and reflects The Army's American History. Defensive Forts Built across America during it's expansion "Camps" DOES imply constant movement on the offensive and reflects the Marine Corp's History! Please explain to me why Camp Perry, and Camp Lejune have never moved. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe. |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:57:11 -0500, Nathan Branden
wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Ooops. I see my mistake. You are a Marine Corps graduate of West Point, who majored in ROTC, and was promoted to Navy Seal. I had no idea. You are obviously much superior to me. I had you pegged as an ordinary dumbass. If you were cognizant of even the slightest military history you would know that "Ensign" is indeed a rank in the army and has been used for hundreds of years. On behalf of all the Ensigns in the Army, I will step back now. You win. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:52:41 -0700, Joe
wrote this crap: The Army stays in "Forts" which implies a defensive posture. The USMC stays in "Camps" which implies constant movement on the offensive. You are right that politics is a big topic in the military, especially amongst the more educated commissioned officers. I was a junior officer in the USMC until I got promoted to the Navy Seals. NB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are so full of **** it's coming outta your ears. Joe Don't post to him anymore. Maybe he'll go away. I don't want to mess with a West Point graduate who was a Marine Corps Officer, and was promoted to the Navy Seals. He's way too good for me. He was obviously a worthy ensign in the army. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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WOW HORVATH.............. TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE EH????
"Horvath" wrote in message . com... On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:57:11 -0500, Nathan Branden wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Ooops. I see my mistake. You are a Marine Corps graduate of West Point, who majored in ROTC, and was promoted to Navy Seal. I had no idea. You are obviously much superior to me. I had you pegged as an ordinary dumbass. If you were cognizant of even the slightest military history you would know that "Ensign" is indeed a rank in the army and has been used for hundreds of years. On behalf of all the Ensigns in the Army, I will step back now. You win. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message om... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:llnd831ecb0q0593eei9dsbv6dh7nhl0bk@4ax .com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@4 ax.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. To hedge that bet that something might happen...like falling off a ladder while painting his soffits, say... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. There are many other ways to get medical coverage...there are all types of free clinics...Catholic hospitals treat in ER's and do not turn away as do other church based hostpiatls...ypeople are pnly as limited as the amount of eddort they want to put into finding a wa Y..there is nothing free in this world...there is a price to everything, one way or the other...get real...you are seeking a utopia that does not, and will npt, ever exist on this earth... |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:21:55 -0400, katy
wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:b32e835o7lbt2rvnbfu4oggffgbeqeo1kg@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:llnd831ecb0q0593eei9dsbv6dh7nhl0bk@4a x.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@ 4ax.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. To hedge that bet that something might happen...like falling off a ladder while painting his soffits, say... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. There are many other ways to get medical coverage...there are all types of free clinics...Catholic hospitals treat in ER's and do not turn away as do other church based hostpiatls...ypeople are pnly as limited as the amount of eddort they want to put into finding a wa Y..there is nothing free in this world...there is a price to everything, one way or the other...get real...you are seeking a utopia that does not, and will npt, ever exist on this earth... That is why I react to people like Jon making "pull it out of the air" anecdotal comments about the "four year old that has cancer and can't get treatment". It is simply not true. And if he made those kind of statements in this area of the country, I'm sure someone would kick his butt back to the left coast. Those people who participate in the multiple fund raising events for St. Judes, just up the road and Catch Kids and the Free Clinic in my town. I have good friends who staff these organizations on a voluntary basis. And no NP hospital, and most are, can turn away an indigent needing treatment. Dickie Scruggs will make sure they are sued if they do. If you pay for your health care, you are also paying for theirs. Having the Government create another wasteful bureaucracy to do the job is not a step in the direction toward utopia. Frank |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:b32e835o7lbt2rvnbfu4oggffgbeqeo1kg@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:llnd831ecb0q0593eei9dsbv6dh7nhl0bk@4a x.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@ 4ax.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. To hedge that bet that something might happen...like falling off a ladder while painting his soffits, say... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. There are many other ways to get medical coverage...there are all types of free clinics...Catholic hospitals treat in ER's and do not turn away as do other church based hostpiatls...ypeople are pnly as limited as the amount of eddort they want to put into finding a wa Y..there is nothing free in this world...there is a price to everything, one way or the other...get real...you are seeking a utopia that does not, and will npt, ever exist on this earth... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," Isn't that in the Constitution? My needs include: Free Health Care Free Living Assistance Free Lunch |
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Capt. Lewry wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:b32e835o7lbt2rvnbfu4oggffgbeqeo1kg@4ax .com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:llnd831ecb0q0593eei9dsbv6dh7nhl0bk@4 ax.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h @4ax.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. To hedge that bet that something might happen...like falling off a ladder while painting his soffits, say... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. There are many other ways to get medical coverage...there are all types of free clinics...Catholic hospitals treat in ER's and do not turn away as do other church based hostpiatls...ypeople are pnly as limited as the amount of eddort they want to put into finding a wa Y..there is nothing free in this world...there is a price to everything, one way or the other...get real...you are seeking a utopia that does not, and will npt, ever exist on this earth... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," Isn't that in the Constitution? My needs include: Free Health Care Free Living Assistance Free Lunch What everyone forgets that even in socialist and communist countries, pople still have to work for what they receive...in some places, if you are not cotributing to society, you just "disappear"...or the amount of your "needs" is determined by the Great Machine, not you.... |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:10:29 GMT, "Capt. Lewry" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. Sell your boat and help her. Help who? The Bombardier I'm the bombardier?, I'm OK. "Ho-ho beriberi." |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... Hmmmmm, I've searched the post over and over and cannot find the statement "I don't need health insurance because I'm so healthy", Another lie from Jon. Jon doesn't lie. He believes the sh&% he says. Using modern English, he is an idiot, A personal attack from you definitely speaks volumes about you. I reveal myself in mysterious ways. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. You are obviously no veteran, Idiot. You're obviously just a sockpuppet. The case against me is open and shut. I am a voice crying in the wilderness. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ...no one has a contract with God. The Jews do. The Moslems do. The Buddhists do. The Christens do. You really are an idiot. They even have it in writing! It must be true! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Very perceptive of you to recognize that. Truth is in the heart of the believer. The lyon has no heart tinman. Or vicey-versey, or upsy downsy, or something like that. You really are an idiot. |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:01:01 -0400, katy wrote:
What everyone forgets that even in socialist and communist countries, pople still have to work for what they receive...in some places, if you are not cotributing to society, you just "disappear"...or the amount of your "needs" is determined by the Great Machine, not you.... Geez, Katy, you may want to update your world view. They are currently *five* communist countries in the world, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam. If you'll notice, several of those countries are major trading partners keeping WalMart's shelves stocked with cheap goods. As for socialist countries, it is difficult to find one that isn't, at least in some aspects, including our own. Of course, we won't mention all the capitalist false democracies, dictatorships, and tyrannies. They are abundant. |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:01:01 -0400, katy wrote: What everyone forgets that even in socialist and communist countries, pople still have to work for what they receive...in some places, if you are not cotributing to society, you just "disappear"...or the amount of your "needs" is determined by the Great Machine, not you.... Geez, Katy, you may want to update your world view. They are currently *five* communist countries in the world, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam. If you'll notice, several of those countries are major trading partners keeping WalMart's shelves stocked with cheap goods. And you think that's a good thing? Many of those products are made by prisoners, children in deplorable condition, and almost slave like labor facilities...our oldest son and my brother have been to most of those countires listed...their reports back are not stellar...my brother is involved with an international corporation that deals with trade with several of those countries...he was appalled at what he found in them... As for socialist countries, it is difficult to find one that isn't, at least in some aspects, including our own. Of course, we won't mention all the capitalist false democracies, dictatorships, and tyrannies. They are abundant. |
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@spotus.com mumbled On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:12:30 -0400, Horvath wrote: On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:57:11 -0500, Nathan Branden wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Ooops. I see my mistake. You are a Marine Corps graduate of West Point, who majored in ROTC, and was promoted to Navy Seal. I had no idea. You are obviously much superior to me. I had you pegged as an ordinary dumbass. If you were cognizant of even the slightest military history you would know that "Ensign" is indeed a rank in the army and has been used for hundreds of years. On behalf of all the Ensigns in the Army, I will step back now. You win. This post is 100% free of steroids For your edification: West Point Graduate commisioned in Marine Corps in 2007: http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/p...WS03/705270360 "The graduates hailed from all 50 states and eight foreign countries. The class of 2007 includes 138 women, 67 Asian/Pacific Islanders, 63 Hispanics, 49 blacks and five American Indians. One graduate will be commissioned as an officer in the Marine Corps." You claimed a good number of other fine Marines. Now I know Marines have limited math skills but one is not many. Have the Gunny explain it to you. He might use pictures in your case. Strike one! Only catching Air. Ensign as a rank in the army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensign_(rank) "Until 1871, when it was replaced by Second Lieutenant, Ensign was the lowest rank of commissioned officer in infantry regiments of the British Army (except fusilier regiments, which always used Second Lieutenant). It was the duty of officers of this rank to carry the colours of the regiment. In the 16th century "ensign" was corrupted into "ancient," and was used in the two senses of a banner and the bearer of the banner. Today, the term "Ensign" is still used by the Foot Guards regiments, for instance during the ceremony of Trooping the Colour" Sine the US Army doesn't HAVE Foot Guards Regiments I'd say its not a rank germain to the US Army, is it ? Strike two! Whoosh... The umpire had to duck you swung so hard on that one ROTC as a major: http://www.174ahc.org/bio-29.htm "I was born and raised in Dallas, Texas, the third of four sons. I attended Arlington State College (now the University of Texas at Arlington) and majored in ROTC and Military Drill Team" The next sentence starts with "The transcript says History Major" Since that is the actual degree that person was awarded.... Strike three! The bat never left your shoulder son. You're out! Only in some alternate dimension.. -- Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a diet of static text and cascading "threads." |
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On Jul 3, 3:38 pm, Nathan Branden wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:12:30 -0400, Horvath wrote: On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:57:11 -0500, Nathan Branden wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Ooops. I see my mistake. You are a Marine Corps graduate of West Point, who majored in ROTC, and was promoted to Navy Seal. I had no idea. You are obviously much superior to me. I had you pegged as an ordinary dumbass. If you were cognizant of even the slightest military history you would know that "Ensign" is indeed a rank in the army and has been used for hundreds of years. On behalf of all the Ensigns in the Army, I will step back now. You win. This post is 100% free of steroids For your edification: West Point Graduate commisioned in Marine Corps in 2007: http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/p...=/20070527/NEW... "The graduates hailed from all 50 states and eight foreign countries. The class of 2007 includes 138 women, 67 Asian/Pacific Islanders, 63 Hispanics, 49 blacks and five American Indians. One graduate will be commissioned as an officer in the Marine Corps." Strike one! Ensign as a rank in the army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensign_(rank) "Until 1871, when it was replaced by Second Lieutenant, Ensign was the lowest rank of commissioned officer in infantry regiments of the British Army (except fusilier regiments, which always used Second Lieutenant). It was the duty of officers of this rank to carry the colours of the regiment. In the 16th century "ensign" was corrupted into "ancient," and was used in the two senses of a banner and the bearer of the banner. Today, the term "Ensign" is still used by the Foot Guards regiments, for instance during the ceremony of Trooping the Colour" Strike two! ROTC as a major: http://www.174ahc.org/bio-29.htm "I was born and raised in Dallas, Texas, the third of four sons. I attended Arlington State College (now the University of Texas at Arlington) and majored in ROTC and Military Drill Team" Strike three! You're out! You must be playing hte wrong game. West Point has never offered majors in "ROTC". In fact the idea is ridiculous on the face of it, since all graduates of USMA are commissioned directly into the active US military, not the reserves. Ball goes over on downs. |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:20:14 GMT, Tankfixer
wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Only catching Air. Sine the US Army doesn't HAVE Foot Guards Regiments I'd say its not a rank germain to the US Army, is it ? ROTC as a major: The next sentence starts with "The transcript says History Major" Sssshhh! SSSSSH! Quiet already. This person is no ordinary dumbass! He majored ROTC at West Point, and graduated with three degrees. Then while an Ensign with the British Army, he outshot everyone at Camp Perry, and was promoted to USMC Seal. This is not someone to trifle with. He tells me he read Clausewitz, and has an original copy of "The Art of War" autographed by Sun Tzu! Not only that, but he KNEW, he Knew, I tell you, that my copy of Clausewitz is highlighted in crayon, and he knew that my wife is a former dancer. This person is far superior to us. I'd hate to have him learn my name and address. Scott Abraham 1416 N 49th St Seattle, WA 98103 My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the ultimate power in the universe." |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:20:14 GMT, Tankfixer wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Only catching Air. Sine the US Army doesn't HAVE Foot Guards Regiments I'd say its not a rank germain to the US Army, is it ? ROTC as a major: The next sentence starts with "The transcript says History Major" Sssshhh! SSSSSH! Quiet already. This person is no ordinary dumbass! He majored ROTC at West Point, and graduated with three degrees. Then while an Ensign with the British Army, he outshot everyone at Camp Perry, and was promoted to USMC Seal. This is not someone to trifle with. He tells me he read Clausewitz, and has an original copy of "The Art of War" autographed by Sun Tzu! Not only that, but he KNEW, he Knew, I tell you, that my copy of Clausewitz is highlighted in crayon, and he knew that my wife is a former dancer. This person is far superior to us. I'd hate to have him learn my name and address. Scott Abraham 1416 N 49th St Seattle, WA 98103 ROTC^F^FFL |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message . net... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," Isn't that in the Constitution? My needs include: Free Health Care Free Living Assistance Free Lunch Only YOU think that you need Health Care, Living assistance and Lunch. The rest of us might have a different opinion. The Constitution was written in a time when most people had a sense of responsibility. The authors didn't understand the concept of "social scroungers". Regards Donal -- |
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Nathan Branden wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: Sicko': Heavily Doctored Is Michael Moore's prescription worse than the disease? By Kurt Loder http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/artic...58/story.jhtml Except of the above. ************************************************* * The problem with American health care, Moore argues, is that people are charged money to avail themselves of it. In other countries, like Canada, France and Britain, health systems are far superior - and they're free. He takes us to these countries to see a few clean, efficient hospitals, where treatment is quick and caring; and to meet a few doctors, who are delighted with their government-regulated salaries; and to listen to patients express their beaming happiness with a socialized health system. It sounds great. As one patient in a British hospital run by the country's National Health Service says, "No one pays. It's all on the NHS. It's not America." That last statement is even truer than you'd know from watching "Sicko." In the case of Canada - which Moore, like many other political activists, holds p as a utopian ideal of benevolent health-care regulation - a very different picture is conveyed by a short 2005 documentary called "Dead Meat," by Stuart Browning and Blaine Greenberg. These two filmmakers talked to a number of Canadians of a kind that Moore's movie would have you believe don't exist: A 52-year-old woman in Calgary recalls being in severe need of joint-replacement surgery after the cartilage in her knee wore out. She was put on a wait list and wound up waiting 16 months for the surgery. Her pain was so excruciating, she says, that she was prescribed large doses of Oxycontin, and soon became addicted. After finally getting her operation, she was put on another wait list - this time for drug rehab. A man tells about his mother waiting two years for life-saving cancer surgery - and then twice having her surgical appointments canceled. She was still waiting when she died. A man in critical need of neck surgery plays a voicemail message from a doctor he'd contacted: "As of today," she says, "it's a two-year wait-list to see me for an initial consultation." Later, when the man and his wife both needed hip-replacement surgery and grew exasperated after spending two years on a waiting list, they finally mortgaged their home and flew to Belgium to have the operations done there, with no more waiting. Rick Baker, the owner of a Toronto company called Timely Medical Alternatives, specializes in transporting Canadians who don't want to wait for medical care to Buffalo, New York, two hours away, where they won't have to. Baker's business is apparently thriving. And Dr. Brian Day, now the president of the Canadian Medical Association, muses about the bizarre distortions created by a law that prohibits Canadians from paying for even urgently-needed medical treatments, or from obtaining private health insurance. "It's legal to buy health insurance for your pets," Day says, "but illegal to buy health insurance for yourself." (Even more pointedly, Day was quoted in the Wall Street Journal this week as saying, "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years.") Actually, this aspect of the Canadian health-care system is changing. In 2005, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled in favor of a man who had filed suit in Quebec over being kept on an interminable waiting list for treatment. In striking down the government health care monopoly in that province, Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin said, "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care." Now a similar suit has been filed in Ontario. What's the problem with government health systems? Moore's movie doesn't ask that question, although it does unintentionally provide an answer. When governments attempt to regulate the balance between a limited supply of health care and an unlimited demand for it they're inevitably forced to ration treatment. I like Michael Moore. Perfect role model for health care on the individual gone awry. Rosie ODonnell, the perfect mom. Alec Baldwin the perfect dad. Barbara Streisand the perfect model of treating the help nicely. Hillary Clinton is Miss Congeniality. All liberals suck duck farts.Liberals are lying fakes, just like Nancy Pelosi's giant silicone zeppelins. No liberals in the USMC. NB No Objectivists, either, Nathaniel. |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message . net... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," Isn't that in the Constitution? My needs include: Free Health Care Free Living Assistance Free Lunch Only YOU think that you need Health Care, Living assistance and Lunch. The rest of us might have a different opinion. The Constitution was written in a time when most people had a sense of responsibility. The authors didn't understand the concept of "social scroungers". Regards Donal -- Well that's two things you know nothing about. |
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wrote this crap: I reveal myself in mysterious ways. Now you're gaying-up Jon-boy's posts. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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"Tankfixer" wrote in message ink.net... In article , mumbled On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:20:14 GMT, Tankfixer wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Only catching Air. Sine the US Army doesn't HAVE Foot Guards Regiments I'd say its not a rank germain to the US Army, is it ? ROTC as a major: The next sentence starts with "The transcript says History Major" Sssshhh! SSSSSH! Quiet already. This person is no ordinary dumbass! He majored ROTC at West Point, and graduated with three degrees. Then while an Ensign with the British Army, he outshot everyone at Camp Perry, and was promoted to USMC Seal. This is not someone to trifle with. He tells me he read Clausewitz, and has an original copy of "The Art of War" autographed by Sun Tzu! Not only that, but he KNEW, he Knew, I tell you, that my copy of Clausewitz is highlighted in crayon, and he knew that my wife is a former dancer. This person is far superior to us. I'd hate to have him learn my name and address. Scott Abraham 1416 N 49th St Seattle, WA 98103 He sounds so much like Doug Reiman with his silly claims too.. **** yourself, you stupid asshole. Horvath just made up some whoppers and went fishing for a real dumb****.....and he found you. Never ceases to amaze me how gullible usenet freaks can be. |
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"Horvath" wrote in message . com... On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:37:59 -0500, "Capt. Lewry" wrote this crap: I reveal myself in mysterious ways. Now you're gaying-up Jon-boy's posts. This post is 100% free of steroids Gaying up? |
OT Michael Moore proves he is the sicko
Scott Abraham wrote:
"Tankfixer" wrote in message ink.net... In article , mumbled On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:20:14 GMT, Tankfixer wrote this crap: I graduated from West Point along with a good number of other fine Marines. My major was ROTC in which I have a degree. I have a master's degree in amphibious and littoral warfare and did my thesis on key overlooked elements of the "forward from the sea" doctrine. Only catching Air. Sine the US Army doesn't HAVE Foot Guards Regiments I'd say its not a rank germain to the US Army, is it ? ROTC as a major: The next sentence starts with "The transcript says History Major" Sssshhh! SSSSSH! Quiet already. This person is no ordinary dumbass! He majored ROTC at West Point, and graduated with three degrees. Then while an Ensign with the British Army, he outshot everyone at Camp Perry, and was promoted to USMC Seal. This is not someone to trifle with. He tells me he read Clausewitz, and has an original copy of "The Art of War" autographed by Sun Tzu! Not only that, but he KNEW, he Knew, I tell you, that my copy of Clausewitz is highlighted in crayon, and he knew that my wife is a former dancer. This person is far superior to us. I'd hate to have him learn my name and address. Scott Abraham 1416 N 49th St Seattle, WA 98103 He sounds so much like Doug Reiman with his silly claims too.. **** yourself, you stupid asshole. Horvath just made up some whoppers and went fishing for a real dumb****.....and he found you. Never ceases to amaze me how gullible usenet freaks can be. Ha Ha Ha!!! good fishing... |
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