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ups.com... On Jun 30, 10:56 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: , especially given who you voted for in the last two presidential elections. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Spoken like someone who voted for the loser last two elections..huh? Did you ever pay up on that bet you made here and lost...? Loser!...you lost, your vote was wasted, cuz U lost! Bwahahaahhahah loser. Then when you win you lose, cuz the people you voted for lied to you, and are getting fat at the troff instead of doing anything the first 100 months. Loser. Do you still have that Kerry bumper sticker, right under your rainbow bumper sticker, on your mazda miata? Joe Bzzzt.... Gore won. Bush is the president, who's been lying to the American people since day one. Feel free to attack me personally, since that's what right-wingnuts are good at... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Cal Vanize wrote: Bob Crantz wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message snip RB 35s5 NY snip Oh the hypocrisy!!!!! Hold on.... This controversy is all about Michael Moore making more money stirring up controversy. He's making a career out of this and laughing at all American society all the way to the bank. Don't lead yourself to think there's any other motivation. I don't think that's it...I think he is one of those altruistic people who thinks they are doing the right thing...some of the things he says are valid...the approach he takes, though, isn't and his conclusions and his solutions are off base...I do not think he is an evil man..I just think he is vastly de;luded...too much contact with Al Gore and his cronies... If someone doesn't agree with you, then that person must be deluded. Seems like a lot of effort lately doesn't it, especially given who you voted for in the last two presidential elections. You haven't a clue who I voted for in the last two elections...I wrote in...unless you have some pull with the township I was registered in and offered some sort of bribe, you cannot make that claim. And I am not the only person that feels that Michael Moore is a deluded individual...as per other posts to this group...If someone doesn't agree with yo, you harangue and harass and become a total pain in the backside...why not try a nice pill once in a while and stop making wild conjectures? Well, due tell... who did you vote for? My guess is someone on the right. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not haranging or harassing. I leave that to the experts. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 MPH or KPH? either way, that's very impressive! |
OT Michael Moore proves he is the sicko
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message om... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@4ax .com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. To hedge that bet that something might happen...like falling off a ladder while painting his soffits, say... |
OT Michael Moore proves he is the sicko
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Cal Vanize wrote: Bob Crantz wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message snip RB 35s5 NY snip Oh the hypocrisy!!!!! Hold on.... This controversy is all about Michael Moore making more money stirring up controversy. He's making a career out of this and laughing at all American society all the way to the bank. Don't lead yourself to think there's any other motivation. I don't think that's it...I think he is one of those altruistic people who thinks they are doing the right thing...some of the things he says are valid...the approach he takes, though, isn't and his conclusions and his solutions are off base...I do not think he is an evil man..I just think he is vastly de;luded...too much contact with Al Gore and his cronies... If someone doesn't agree with you, then that person must be deluded. Seems like a lot of effort lately doesn't it, especially given who you voted for in the last two presidential elections. You haven't a clue who I voted for in the last two elections...I wrote in...unless you have some pull with the township I was registered in and offered some sort of bribe, you cannot make that claim. And I am not the only person that feels that Michael Moore is a deluded individual...as per other posts to this group...If someone doesn't agree with yo, you harangue and harass and become a total pain in the backside...why not try a nice pill once in a while and stop making wild conjectures? Well, due tell... who did you vote for? My guess is someone on the right. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not haranging or harassing. I leave that to the experts. Barry GOldwater |
OT Michael Moore proves he is the sicko
OzOne wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:40:19 -0400, katy scribbled thusly: Capt. JG wrote: "Bart" wrote in message oups.com... Sicko': Heavily Doctored Is Michael Moore's prescription worse than the disease? By Kurt Loder http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/artic...58/story.jhtml Except of the above. We're the only "modern" country that doesn't have universal health care. They all must be wrong. Erroneous thinking...a preponderance of the world is Asian....we must change our genetics...a preponderance of the world is Muslim...we must all become Muslims... Your national debt is the worlds largest per capita....you will become part of Asia. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace, We've been expecting you. India and China are the next two super powers. One or the other will rule the entire world. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: I know... capitalism is a bad thing.... You really are an idiot. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ...no one has a contract with God. The Jews do. The Moslems do. The Buddhists do. The Christens do. You really are an idiot. |
OT Michael Moore proves he is the sicko
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. You are obviously no veteran, Idiot. |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Because you enjoy probing the depths of idiocy? |
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"Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 MPH or KPH? either way, that's very impressive! Have you ever considered stand up comedy or criticism as a vocation? |
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On Jul 1, 1:13 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
.... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Jon, when it comes to our fine president, you are the most hateful person on earth...it's all you spew. Nothing constructive, attacks all the time. Yet when your party..the people you elected on promises to change things in 100 days, mo. years .....whatever, do nothing, we do not hear a peep about it from you. Why not? You dog the **** out of the president, yet say nothing about the folks who suckered you with a big FN lie about doing something different in 100 whatevers. You call our president a murderer yet say nothing about the actual people murdering our troops or civilians. So don't preach to me about hate, you are blinded by it.. Joe -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: I know... capitalism is a bad thing.... You really are an idiot. Capitalism isn't a bad thing? Wow. Impressive. I should get one. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:llnd831ecb0q0593eei9dsbv6dh7nhl0bk@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@4a x.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. To hedge that bet that something might happen...like falling off a ladder while painting his soffits, say... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. You are obviously no veteran, Idiot. You're obviously just a sockpuppet. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ...no one has a contract with God. The Jews do. The Moslems do. The Buddhists do. The Christens do. You really are an idiot. They even have it in writing! It must be true! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Scotty" wrote in message
. .. "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 MPH or KPH? either way, that's very impressive! Frank is very healthy! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Cal Vanize wrote: Bob Crantz wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message snip RB 35s5 NY snip Oh the hypocrisy!!!!! Hold on.... This controversy is all about Michael Moore making more money stirring up controversy. He's making a career out of this and laughing at all American society all the way to the bank. Don't lead yourself to think there's any other motivation. I don't think that's it...I think he is one of those altruistic people who thinks they are doing the right thing...some of the things he says are valid...the approach he takes, though, isn't and his conclusions and his solutions are off base...I do not think he is an evil man..I just think he is vastly de;luded...too much contact with Al Gore and his cronies... If someone doesn't agree with you, then that person must be deluded. Seems like a lot of effort lately doesn't it, especially given who you voted for in the last two presidential elections. You haven't a clue who I voted for in the last two elections...I wrote in...unless you have some pull with the township I was registered in and offered some sort of bribe, you cannot make that claim. And I am not the only person that feels that Michael Moore is a deluded individual...as per other posts to this group...If someone doesn't agree with yo, you harangue and harass and become a total pain in the backside...why not try a nice pill once in a while and stop making wild conjectures? Well, due tell... who did you vote for? My guess is someone on the right. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not haranging or harassing. I leave that to the experts. Barry GOldwater What about him. I liked him. Told the truth even if it hurt. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Bzzzt.... Gore won. Bush is the president, who's been lying to the American people since day one. Feel free to attack me personally, since that's what right-wingnuts are good at... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Hmmmmm.... "just anger and hate"? Maybe try to re-read your post(s). |
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:12:10 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message om... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@4ax .com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. Hmmmmm, I've searched the post over and over and cannot find the statement "I don't need health insurance because I'm so healthy", Another lie from Jon. |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:41:15 -0400, katy
wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message m... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... I have researched it and will probably go that route at the beginning of the tax year. I like the concept; it is a concept for those who believe in personal responsibility. It is a concept that encourages wellness in a proactive manner as opposed to encouraging healing in a reactive manner or just waste of the services. Unfortunately, it doesn't go far enough. Premiums for high deductible policies are still weighted heavily by ones age rather than physical condition. I believe that if you can prove an overall reduced risk because of what you are doing or, in many cases, not doing, you should be able to get a preferred risk rate that reflects that. Life insurance, car insurance, all have a much more aggressive preferred risk element. Ironically, the administration wants to extend it in a manner tht many more could take advantage of it, particularly small business's that currently offer nothing or larger operations that are on the fence with regard to closing and moving offshore, but Nancy and her dancing clowns have already indicated that it would never come up for a vote. As one who has studied employer provided health coverage extensivly, there is a great correlation between cost when "it is assumed to be free" or when the assumption is "hey, it's coming out of my pocket, I better do what is necessary to spend it wisely, maybe on wellness, rather than healing, particularly if I get to keep what's left over". But this thread was about Michael Moore. He is not a documentary film maker. He is a propagandist, pure and simple. He starts with a personally held opinion and creates film around and in support of that opinion. The "facts" will be presented in a manner that the truth will never be exposed. You will not get balance, but an avalanche of information that supports only one side of any particular issue. He is very skilled at this, and will get a load of media coverage on a release, because the media is in lockstep with his sort of "reporting" Frank. |
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:28:30 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message .. . Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 MPH or KPH? either way, that's very impressive! Pretty good huh? That's 36 miles, 60 year of age, training runs approximately 7 MPH, race day pace approximately 8.4 MPH depending on race distance. Frank |
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No liberals in the USMC. NB In my admittedly short stays at Parris Island, ITR, Camp Lejuene Amtrack pad, Camp Pendelton's Oceanside Amtrack pad, and Quantico, VA, I don't remember ever discussing or hearing discussed, anyone's position along the conservative, liberal, continuum. Of course it was a long time ago. Frank |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: I know... capitalism is a bad thing.... You really are an idiot. Capitalism isn't a bad thing? Wow. Impressive. I should get one. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com No, among other things, you should read "The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality," by Ludwig Von Mises, "Das Kapital," by Karl Marx, 1867, Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man, 1791, and Alfred Marshall's "Principal of Economics," 1890. You can skip the first 9/10 of the Marshall book and just read the Appendix. (He hid the tool that did the work). Your ignorance is exposed to all who have ears to hear. |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ...no one has a contract with God. The Jews do. The Moslems do. The Buddhists do. The Christens do. You really are an idiot. They even have it in writing! It must be true! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Very perceptive of you to recognize that. Truth is in the heart of the believer. |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... big snip-long overdue I have researched it and will probably go that route at the beginning of the tax year. I like the concept; it is a concept for those who believe in personal responsibility. It is a concept that encourages wellness in a proactive manner as opposed to encouraging healing in a reactive manner or just waste of the services. So you do not have any family who are dependent on you? |
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:45:45 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message .. . big snip-long overdue I have researched it and will probably go that route at the beginning of the tax year. I like the concept; it is a concept for those who believe in personal responsibility. It is a concept that encourages wellness in a proactive manner as opposed to encouraging healing in a reactive manner or just waste of the services. So you do not have any family who are dependent on you? A wife who is independent from a standpoint of health insurance, but why would that matter? Frank |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. Sell your boat and help her. |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... Hmmmmm, I've searched the post over and over and cannot find the statement "I don't need health insurance because I'm so healthy", Another lie from Jon. Jon doesn't lie. He believes the sh&% he says. Using modern English, he is an idiot, |
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:54:17 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap: Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. We have to pay for your gay buttees with aids. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:13:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap: Bzzzt.... Gore won. Won what? Loser of the Century Trophy? Bush is the president, who's been lying to the American What lies? Everything President George W. Bush has said has been proven to be the absolute truth. people since day one. Feel free to attack me personally, since that's what right-wingnuts are good at... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Seen a mirror? This post is 100% free of steroids |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:30:13 -0500, Frank Boettcher
wrote this crap: No liberals in the USMC. NB In my admittedly short stays at Parris Island, ITR, Camp Lejuene Amtrack pad, Camp Pendelton's Oceanside Amtrack pad, and Quantico, VA, I don't remember ever discussing or hearing discussed, anyone's position along the conservative, liberal, continuum. Of course it was a long time ago. Frank In my long stays at Fort Sill, Fort Gordon, Fort Lewis, Fort Knox, Fort, Bragg, Fort Cambell, etc., etc., etc., we ALWAYS discussed politics. Most military personnell are very conservative. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Cal Vanize" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: I know... capitalism is a bad thing.... You really are an idiot. Capitalism isn't a bad thing? Wow. Impressive. I should get one. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com No, among other things, you should read "The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality," by Ludwig Von Mises, "Das Kapital," by Karl Marx, 1867, Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man, 1791, and Alfred Marshall's "Principal of Economics," 1890. You can skip the first 9/10 of the Marshall book and just read the Appendix. (He hid the tool that did the work). Your ignorance is exposed to all who have ears to hear. Thanks, but I think I'm well-read on the subject. Do you own one? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And, what about the person who can't afford the hedge? S/he's just supposed to lump it I suppose. Sell your boat and help her. Help who? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:12:10 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:19:08 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:llnd831ecb0q0593eei9dsbv6dh7nhl0bk@4ax. com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:48:00 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message news:mntc83d9rodko0301h8hdoag3e5llnpa0h@4a x.com... On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0000, thunder wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:36:25 -0700, Bart wrote: What's the problem with government health systems? What's more important, continued support for a private health care system, or American jobs? It seems to be overlooked that our health care system costs upwards of 15% GDP, while those countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP. That extra 5% is the reason is the reason our automotive sector is fleeing north, expanding operations in Canada, while curtailing them here. In a global economy, 5% extra cost puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage. Ignore that at your peril. All manufacturing is fleeing, not just automotive, and health care cost is a major driver. I know, I've been there. But universal health care is not the answer. Just recently, at a medical school close to my home, the state legislature mandated to the board of higher education that the number of seats be increased. There is a very large supply of eligible candidates, many don't get in. It is the AMA's very sucessful, long standing attempt to control the supply side, keeping fee schedules very high. That's just job losses. Let's not consider the lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality our health system provides. Our health care system doesn't have anything to do with this. It is a matter of lifestyle choices. Want a lower infant mortality rate? how about a lower rate of teen mothers on drugs and alcohol. Want a longer life expectancy? How about everyone get off your buns and get some exercise and drop the high fat, high sugar diet. Frank Who runs 36 miles a week and at 60 has no aging diseases. No diabetes, no high blood pressure, no cardiovascular issues, no joint, ligament, or cartilage issues. Universal health care is available in all modern cultures except ours. I'm sure we're glad you're healthy and can afford health care, but no one has a contract with God. And you miss the entire point. Adopting healthier lifestyles has nothing to do with having a contract with God. It just diminishes the need for the" healthcare" that we have come to believe is an entitlement in this country, that is we can eat horribly, be obese, smoke, lead completely sedentary lives, and if pregnant, take drugs, alcohol and smoke, and we or our newborn will remain healthy, and if that doesn't work, someone else has to pay to make it happen. Anything the government has ever gotten involved in that requires cost control and reasonable product or service has been a disaster. Frank And you've missed the point as well... all of your attempts to remain healthy are great, but that has little to do with the money required to save your life or give you a decent quality of life if you get sick and don't have insurance. It is the point. I go to the doctor once a year for him to tell me I'm healthy. There is no burdon on the system. Of course I'm paying an exorbitant amount for health insurance which I don't need in order to pay for those that have not made those healthy lifestyle choices. That's how it works, and the only thing that can make it worse is for the government to step in. The VA insurance is a great example of gov't run healthcare that for the most part works. They can negotiate prices for drugs, they serve a vast community, mostly quite well. So have you used the VA system? I had two close relatives now deceased, who used the excellent VA system. father in law was one of them. I'm not even going to comment on your assessment of it as a system that works "quite well" You're very quick to say that healthcare is an entitlement, as though it isn't needed, not really. It is needed and that's demonstrated by the millions who are uninsured, pushing up the costs for those who are. It's demonstrated by people's inability to get affordable insurance that sticks with them, rather than changes with their employer. A child of four getting cancer is not a life-style problem, but gods forbid if that child's parents couldn't afford decent health insurance. No, what I said is that we seem to believe we can live horrible lifestyles and we have an entitlement to have some system that is subsidized by others, either the government or the people in a group who are making the healthy choices, to offset the effects of those poor lifestyle choices. That's what sucks up the resources that would be available for those exceptional cases where the illness is no fault of the patient. And please site the case where a four year old is not treated for cancer, whatever the financial status of the parents. We're very, very quick to talk about "freedom," but we sure are slow to talk about decency when it comes to our own And with that statement, I wonder why I even bother to respond. Frank Why are you paying for health insurance if you claim you don't and won't need it? Seems foolish. You are free to drop your health insurance coverage at any time. Insurance is just that...the hedge agaisnt the bet that you may or may not need it...but in one respect, you're correct...if a person is magnificently healthy, then putting the money into an HSA might be a better thing to do... Frank just got telling us that he doesn't need insurance because he's healthy. Can't imagine why he would need an HSA either. Hmmmmm, I've searched the post over and over and cannot find the statement "I don't need health insurance because I'm so healthy", Another lie from Jon. But you don't need it right? Always a personal attack Frank or are you just bored? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
t... "Frank Boettcher" wrote in message ... Hmmmmm, I've searched the post over and over and cannot find the statement "I don't need health insurance because I'm so healthy", Another lie from Jon. Jon doesn't lie. He believes the sh&% he says. Using modern English, he is an idiot, A personal attack from you definitely speaks volumes about you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. Lewry" wrote in message
t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Capt. Lewry" wrote in message t... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ...no one has a contract with God. The Jews do. The Moslems do. The Buddhists do. The Christens do. You really are an idiot. They even have it in writing! It must be true! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Very perceptive of you to recognize that. Truth is in the heart of the believer. The lyon has no heart tinman. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Jul 1, 1:13 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: ... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Jon, when it comes to our fine president, you are the most hateful person on earth...it's all you spew. Nothing constructive, attacks all the time. In any case, our fine president lied and continues to lie. Yet when your party..the people you elected on promises to change things in 100 days, mo. years .....whatever, do nothing, we do not hear a peep about it from you. They did more than nothing, but not enough. Of course, I can admit that and feel good about it. You on the other hand must believe what Bu****/Cheney says. Why not? You dog the **** out of the president, yet say nothing about the folks who suckered you with a big FN lie about doing something different in 100 whatevers. You call our president a murderer yet say nothing about the actual people murdering our troops or civilians. Next time in English. So don't preach to me about hate, you are blinded by it.. Well, you told me there. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: Bzzzt.... Gore won. Bush is the president, who's been lying to the American people since day one. Feel free to attack me personally, since that's what right-wingnuts are good at... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Hmmmmm.... "just anger and hate"? Maybe try to re-read your post(s). Ok... 99.234% anger and hate. Feel better? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 1, 1:13 am, "Capt. JG" wrote: ... the politics of personal destruction... nothing constructive, just anger and hate. Jon, when it comes to our fine president, you are the most hateful person on earth...it's all you spew. Nothing constructive, attacks all the time. In any case, our fine president lied and continues to lie. Are youy saying that he's following closely in the footsteps if his predecessor? He hasn't lied to a Grand Jury like slick Willie. Yet when your party..the people you elected on promises to change things in 100 days, mo. years .....whatever, do nothing, we do not hear a peep about it from you. They did more than nothing, but not enough. Of course, I can admit that and feel good about it. You on the other hand must believe what Bu****/Cheney says. What have they done that they promised to do? Please list it for us. Why not? You dog the **** out of the president, yet say nothing about the folks who suckered you with a big FN lie about doing something different in 100 whatevers. You call our president a murderer yet say nothing about the actual people murdering our troops or civilians. Next time in English. Its pretty clear. So don't preach to me about hate, you are blinded by it.. Well, you told me there. And you still don't hear.... |
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