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Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?
The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
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Joe wrote: Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe You mean real double dipped french fries soft inside and crisp on the outside, not the North-American greasy overcooked stuff? |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"stormtactic" wrote in message ... In article . com, Joe wrote: You mean real dippy french men, soft inside and crusty on the outside? yelp! |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe What sort of "conversion" were you thinking of doing? Do you think you can get special bio-diesel fuel injectors for a marine diesel or maybe a bio-diesel fuel pump? I doubt it very much. The engine will probably run fine on the stuff but it may loosen up deposits in the tank and lines. Long-term effects on the engine unknown. On MythBusters they got a tank of used cooking oil from a french fry place, filtered out the chunks and mounted a tank on the roof of an old Mercedes diesel. Car started right up and ran fine. Got only 1 mpg less than on pump diesel. |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Jun 19, 11:00 am, "Gordon Wedman" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe What sort of "conversion" were you thinking of doing? Do you think you can get special bio-diesel fuel injectors for a marine diesel or maybe a bio-diesel fuel pump? I doubt it very much. The engine will probably run fine on the stuff but it may loosen up deposits in the tank and lines. Long-term effects on the engine unknown. On MythBusters they got a tank of used cooking oil from a french fry place, filtered out the chunks and mounted a tank on the roof of an old Mercedes diesel. Car started right up and ran fine. Got only 1 mpg less than on pump diesel. Seems that all that is required long term is to replace anything rubber. As rubber is disolved long term. Your pump and injectors should not be affected inless they have internal rubber parts. Joe |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Joe wrote: Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe Deisel engines are designed to run on this stuff but it depends on the level of filtering that has been done to it. If it is used french fry grease you should filter it and probably mix it with either bio-deisel or regular deseil. You can also heat it to get some better performance. There is a ton of info on this on the net. If you want it to be the same grade as deisel fuel with all the same perfance qualities you need to do a little refining yourself. It's doable at home but is a little complicated. It's propably not worth the time and added expense to you but you can mix well filtered french fry grease with deisel fuel and at a pretty good ratio (something like 50-75% grease depending on where you live) and get similar performance characteristics. One thing I have heard repeatedly is to not leave the grease in the line when the engine is off. If it gets cold it will thicken and can cause all sorts of problems when trying to start up. Kill the fuel pump and let it die on its own. This should be common practice anyways but it's really important if you are using unrefined grease as your fuel. A lot of people like the smell of the exhaust but they say it always makes them hungry. |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
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Deisel engines are designed to run on this stuff but it depends on the level of filtering that has been done to it. ... I was jawing with the guy at the counter of the local injector pump specialists a couple of months ago and he claimed that bio-diesel was causing pump failures. His assertion was that regular diesel has lubricants added to it and that even commercially available bio-diesel doesn't and that this resulted in much more serious pump wear. I don't really have any idea how true that is though he did a good looking job of rebuilding the pump so I guess he isn't a total wacko... Maybe someone in the group knows more about this and if there are any useful additives (I'm guessing detergent and lubricant) that you might want to think about... -- Tom. |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
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"Gordon Wedman" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe What sort of "conversion" were you thinking of doing? Do you think you can get special bio-diesel fuel injectors for a marine diesel or maybe a bio-diesel fuel pump? I doubt it very much. The engine will probably run fine on the stuff but it may loosen up deposits in the tank and lines. Long-term effects on the engine unknown. On MythBusters they got a tank of used cooking oil from a french fry place, filtered out the chunks and mounted a tank on the roof of an old Mercedes diesel. Car started right up and ran fine. Got only 1 mpg less than on pump diesel. Just remember that MythBusters is a Southern Kalifornia production, and if you tried that in Frostbite Falls Minisota, in the winter you would be doing a lot of walking or rowing as the case may be. Diesel #2 doesn't even think of gelling untill your down to 10F and Diesel #1 clear down to -30F or lower. Frier Grease will turn solid at 40F if your not careful. |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Joe wrote in news:1182266139.160045.296860
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com: Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe Not my boat, but my GM V-8 diesel stepvan (1989), two diesel Mercedes cars ('73 220D and '83 300 TD turbodiesel 5-cyl). Will that do? We don't buy fuel. Fuel is free for the asking at any Chinese restaurant! 3 of us have Frybrids (www.frybrid.com) but, since installing the Frybrid package in the V-8 diesel stepvan, I found it was totally unnecessary overkill in South Carolina. You need it "up Nawth" in the freezing cold, but not in the South. The Frybrid was about $1600 and I paid my mechanic another thousand to install it all. Check the webpage for its operation, which is very nice. Both Mercedes cars are running on filtered used veggie oil, like the truck, but after viewing a TV program of a Volvo diesel sedan running on homebrew oil, I tried it and it works great with no outlay, other than buying some mineral spirits cheap from the paint supply wholesaler. In England, they use mineral spirits because it has no VAT tax ripoff on it. I was using 20% gasoline and 80% veggie oil, but have cut the Arabs and Bushes out of my wallet switching to 1 quart of mineral spirits to 20 gallons of veggie oil. Our veggie oil facility is in George's warehouse. He's in the trucking business with a Frybrid 300SD long wheelbase Mercedes sedan. Mike is a car mechanic and owns a Frybrid VW diesel. The three of us call our endeavour The French Fried Oil Company, a tongue-in-cheek conglomerate. With my veggie powered truck, I'm in pickup and transportation, George provides the warehouse space, which gets larger as time goes on, and Mike provides pipette and filter services to polish the finished product to our 55 gallon drums with electric pumps in them. Everyone has keys to the warehouse for 24/7 fuel oil service. Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5 gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a bit of money! I transport the boxes to the warehouse and mark the date on each box. Boxes must sit, totally unmoved, for 1 month. Typically, they sit 3 to 5 months, now as our consumption cannot match our supply. In a month, or more, all the remaining solids settle to a very thin layer in the bottom of the boxes. Mike's suction pipette reaches down to within 3" of the bottom of each box. An electric oil gear pump pulls a vacuum on two large commercial truck fuel filter/water separators who draw the oil out of the boxes, filter it to .5 microns, slowly, and pump the clean oil into a 55 gallon finished product drum. We have 6 drums he keeps filling. We pump that straight into the oil tanks on their cars and my truck. Another drum is marked LARRY and this drum contains the mineral spirits - veggie oil homebrew biodiesel I pour directly into the tanks on the Mercedes cars I own, totally unmodified. The mineral spirits thin the heavier oil so the stock injection system works as good as my gas/veggie mix I used last winter. I figure it costs about 12 US cents per US gallon....lots cheaper than a Frybrid. I recently bought a Chinese 6KVA, single cylinder, 3600 RPM diesel genset with battery starting in a nice quieting cabinet from Pep Boys for $1599. The odd-sounding Chinese company I don't have the name of at the moment is an ISO 9003 certified company and it shows in the genset's quality and workmanship. It had an initial tank of diesel fuel when I insisted on hearing it before buying it. I had to prime it myself because the whole shop full of car mechanics didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about and I didn't want them to keep cranking and ruin my new battery/starter trying to initially start it. If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself! As the tank emptied, I filled it with my mineral spirits/veggie homebrew and it cranked right up. I now have 6KW of emergency power that will only cost me some mineral spirits and lube oil (it holds 2 quarts) that will run as long as I like. My neighbor bought a longer drop cord so he doesn't have to sit in the dark...(c; In a boat, the only drawback would be hauling it all the way to the boat in the drum....not fun. I suppose you COULD reuse the 5 gallon boxes in a dock cart just fine. We're throwing away an awful lot of boxes every month. My new Honda 250cc scooter is gas......dammit....(c; Larry -- Buy biodiesel?? How silly! |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Joe wrote in news:1182270215.620722.115960
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com: Seems that all that is required long term is to replace anything rubber. As rubber is disolved long term. Your pump and injectors should not be affected inless they have internal rubber parts. Joe I've never figured out why anything you use that bypasses the current supply train eats rubber. Why would corn or canola oil eat rubber? It doesn't in the fryers at 450F. I've never seen any dissolved rubber in my fries...(c; They said the same thing over R-134a to try to rip us with "conversions" from R-12. I pumped the R-12 from the 300TD wagon to my 220D antique diesel car. I changed out the fittings to the new ones. I pumped a vacuum on the system, injected the R-134a oil and filled it with R-134a. That was years ago. Not a single piece of rubber failed, as predicted by anyone selling "conversions". None of the rubber hoses, return hoses, supply hoses, seals/fittings/etc. shows any difference running either 170F pure oil or my homebrew mixes of gas/veggie or mineral spirits/veggie. I think the rubber rumors comes from OIL COMPANIES. GASOLINE is far more toxic to anything it touches than any oil....including veggie. Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Larry brought forth on stone tablets:
Joe wrote in news:1182266139.160045.296860 @n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com: Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Joe Not my boat, but my GM V-8 diesel stepvan (1989), two diesel Mercedes cars ('73 220D and '83 300 TD turbodiesel 5-cyl). Will that do? We don't buy fuel. Fuel is free for the asking at any Chinese restaurant! 3 of us have Frybrids (www.frybrid.com) but, since installing the Frybrid package in the V-8 diesel stepvan, I found it was totally unnecessary overkill in South Carolina. You need it "up Nawth" in the freezing cold, but not in the South. The Frybrid was about $1600 and I paid my mechanic another thousand to install it all. Check the webpage for its operation, which is very nice. Both Mercedes cars are running on filtered used veggie oil, like the truck, but after viewing a TV program of a Volvo diesel sedan running on homebrew oil, I tried it and it works great with no outlay, other than buying some mineral spirits cheap from the paint supply wholesaler. In England, they use mineral spirits because it has no VAT tax ripoff on it. I was using 20% gasoline and 80% veggie oil, but have cut the Arabs and Bushes out of my wallet switching to 1 quart of mineral spirits to 20 gallons of veggie oil. Our veggie oil facility is in George's warehouse. He's in the trucking business with a Frybrid 300SD long wheelbase Mercedes sedan. Mike is a car mechanic and owns a Frybrid VW diesel. The three of us call our endeavour The French Fried Oil Company, a tongue-in-cheek conglomerate. With my veggie powered truck, I'm in pickup and transportation, George provides the warehouse space, which gets larger as time goes on, and Mike provides pipette and filter services to polish the finished product to our 55 gallon drums with electric pumps in them. Everyone has keys to the warehouse for 24/7 fuel oil service. Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5 gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a bit of money! I transport the boxes to the warehouse and mark the date on each box. Boxes must sit, totally unmoved, for 1 month. Typically, they sit 3 to 5 months, now as our consumption cannot match our supply. In a month, or more, all the remaining solids settle to a very thin layer in the bottom of the boxes. Mike's suction pipette reaches down to within 3" of the bottom of each box. An electric oil gear pump pulls a vacuum on two large commercial truck fuel filter/water separators who draw the oil out of the boxes, filter it to .5 microns, slowly, and pump the clean oil into a 55 gallon finished product drum. We have 6 drums he keeps filling. We pump that straight into the oil tanks on their cars and my truck. Another drum is marked LARRY and this drum contains the mineral spirits - veggie oil homebrew biodiesel I pour directly into the tanks on the Mercedes cars I own, totally unmodified. The mineral spirits thin the heavier oil so the stock injection system works as good as my gas/veggie mix I used last winter. I figure it costs about 12 US cents per US gallon....lots cheaper than a Frybrid. I recently bought a Chinese 6KVA, single cylinder, 3600 RPM diesel genset with battery starting in a nice quieting cabinet from Pep Boys for $1599. The odd-sounding Chinese company I don't have the name of at the moment is an ISO 9003 certified company and it shows in the genset's quality and workmanship. It had an initial tank of diesel fuel when I insisted on hearing it before buying it. I had to prime it myself because the whole shop full of car mechanics didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about and I didn't want them to keep cranking and ruin my new battery/starter trying to initially start it. If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself! As the tank emptied, I filled it with my mineral spirits/veggie homebrew and it cranked right up. I now have 6KW of emergency power that will only cost me some mineral spirits and lube oil (it holds 2 quarts) that will run as long as I like. My neighbor bought a longer drop cord so he doesn't have to sit in the dark...(c; In a boat, the only drawback would be hauling it all the way to the boat in the drum....not fun. I suppose you COULD reuse the 5 gallon boxes in a dock cart just fine. We're throwing away an awful lot of boxes every month. My new Honda 250cc scooter is gas......dammit....(c; Larry Perhaps someone with *marine* veggie oil or biodiesel experience can allay my fears of starting the world's largest bacterial colony in my fuel tanks if I fill up with one of these alternatives. For goodness sakes, the bugs eat the *diesel* if only there is a little water present! Now, I know in a land vehicle, bacterial growth is likely not to be a problem because the tanks are so much smaller, and the thruput is a lot higher. But on my sailboat, if I fill up (350 gallons), that will last me 2 years or more of cruising and living on the boat. That is a long time for the bugs to get going... bob s/v Eolian Seattle |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
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oups.com: Maybe someone in the group knows more about this and if there are any useful additives (I'm guessing detergent and lubricant) that you might want to think about... Fuel oil, including dino diesel #2 and canola/corn oil IS LUBRICANT! More oil company disinformation. I know a guy with 160K miles on a Cummins 6-cylinder diesel Dodge pickup that's only had one tank of diesel fuel in it since it was new. It's running on the same injection pump. Of course, my old Mercedes 220D isn't a fair comparison. Its injection pump has a SEPARATE OIL SUMP filled with SAE 30 motor oil that's changed out at 60K miles since 1972. When we overhauled the little 4-cyl 2.2L diesel, we sent the pump in for overhaul. It came back with a note asking what we wanted them to do to it. After 25 years, it was well within tolerances in pressure and fuel delivery quantity requiring no service. We refilled it with fresh lube oil and put it back on the restored engine block. I'm still driving it another 90K later....(c; What? You mean if it has its own LUBE OIL it will last 30 years of everyday driving? Isn't that against the law?! The injection pump in my 300TD 5-cyl turbodiesel uses dirty crankcase oil to lube it, which gets changed at 3000 miles. I don't like it, but it's also still running fine at 250K miles and 24 years. I told the Mercedes dealer I was gonna buy a new car....as soon as I figured out how to wear these old ones out! He looked upset....(c; Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
You wrote:
Just remember that MythBusters is a Southern Kalifornia production, and if you tried that in Frostbite Falls Minisota, in the winter you would be doing a lot of walking or rowing as the case may be. Diesel #2 doesn't even think of gelling untill your down to 10F and Diesel #1 clear down to -30F or lower. Frier Grease will turn solid at 40F if your not careful. yes, yes ,yes...nothing new here...you have to mix pump diesel into your biodiesel in northern climes in the winter. |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
the_bmac wrote in :
yes, yes ,yes...nothing new here...you have to mix pump diesel into your biodiesel in northern climes in the winter. Nope. http://www.frybrid.com/ Runs straight oil at -40F. Take a look...(c; Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:10:37 -0700, "
wrote: ... Deisel engines are designed to run on this stuff but it depends on the level of filtering that has been done to it. ... I was jawing with the guy at the counter of the local injector pump specialists a couple of months ago and he claimed that bio-diesel was causing pump failures. His assertion was that regular diesel has lubricants added to it and that even commercially available bio-diesel doesn't and that this resulted in much more serious pump wear. I don't really have any idea how true that is though he did a good looking job of rebuilding the pump so I guess he isn't a total wacko... Maybe someone in the group knows more about this and if there are any useful additives (I'm guessing detergent and lubricant) that you might want to think about... -- Tom. The guy at the counter was wrong. Diesel fuel has no added lubricant, the diesel fuel is in itself provides all the lubrication the injection system gets. Vegetable oils are good lubricants as well. During WW I at least one aircraft engine ran on straight caster oil. It was also used as a racing lub for years. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:38:12 +0000, Larry wrote:
" wrote in roups.com: Maybe someone in the group knows more about this and if there are any useful additives (I'm guessing detergent and lubricant) that you might want to think about... Fuel oil, including dino diesel #2 and canola/corn oil IS LUBRICANT! More oil company disinformation. I know a guy with 160K miles on a Cummins 6-cylinder diesel Dodge pickup that's only had one tank of diesel fuel in it since it was new. It's running on the same injection pump. Of course, my old Mercedes 220D isn't a fair comparison. Its injection pump has a SEPARATE OIL SUMP filled with SAE 30 motor oil that's changed out at 60K miles since 1972. When we overhauled the little 4-cyl 2.2L diesel, we sent the pump in for overhaul. It came back with a note asking what we wanted them to do to it. After 25 years, it was well within tolerances in pressure and fuel delivery quantity requiring no service. We refilled it with fresh lube oil and put it back on the restored engine block. I'm still driving it another 90K later....(c; What? You mean if it has its own LUBE OIL it will last 30 years of everyday driving? Isn't that against the law?! The injection pump in my 300TD 5-cyl turbodiesel uses dirty crankcase oil to lube it, which gets changed at 3000 miles. I don't like it, but it's also still running fine at 250K miles and 24 years. I told the Mercedes dealer I was gonna buy a new car....as soon as I figured out how to wear these old ones out! He looked upset....(c; Larry Separate oil systems for injection pumps were quite common at one time. The oil actually lubricated the cam shaft that operated the separate injection pumps. For some reason other manufacturers simply flooded the pump casing with diesel and it seemed to work about as well The pump guys I've talked to reckon that most of the parts they change in pumps or injectors wear because somebody didn't change the fuel filters often enough. Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:21:33 +0000, Larry wrote:
Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5 gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a bit of money! Good on you Larry, for being innovative. Enjoy it while you can. When 50 more people do it, Econ 101 will kick in, and the restaurant owners will be asking highest bid for their old grease. When a few hundred do it, the Chicago Board of Trade will initiate future contracts. Shouts of "Buy 100 October OFG (Old Fry Grease)!!!!" will ring out in the OFG pit, and industry experts will blame the OFG futures speculators on the high cost of fuel. Maybe you should lock these restaurants' oil in with a contract. Who knows, you may be the next Rockefeller. --Vic |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Larry" wrote in message ... . I transport the boxes to the warehouse and mark the date on each box. Boxes must sit, totally unmoved, for 1 month. Typically, they sit 3 to 5 months, now as our consumption cannot match our supply. In a month, or more, all the remaining solids settle to a very thin layer in the bottom of the boxes. Mike's suction pipette reaches down to within 3" of the bottom of each box. what do you do with the remaining 3'' of oil, and muck? SBV |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Larry wrote:
the_bmac wrote in : yes, yes ,yes...nothing new here...you have to mix pump diesel into your biodiesel in northern climes in the winter. Nope. http://www.frybrid.com/ Runs straight oil at -40F. Take a look...(c; yes, yes, yes...you have to mix pump diesel into biodiesel in northern climes...unless you pre-heat it first... |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Vic Smith wrote in
: Good on you Larry, for being innovative. Enjoy it while you can. When 50 more people do it, Econ 101 will kick in, and the restaurant owners will be asking highest bid for their old grease. When a few hundred do it, the Chicago Board of Trade will initiate future contracts. Shouts of "Buy 100 October OFG (Old Fry Grease)!!!!" will ring out in the OFG pit, and industry experts will blame the OFG futures speculators on the high cost of fuel. Maybe you should lock these restaurants' oil in with a contract. Who knows, you may be the next Rockefeller. --Vic No, I suspect the next thing to happen is the oil companies' bribed politicians will pass a law making it a felony to burn anything but oil company fuel in any vehicle, driving us all underground. Remember the GM EV-1 all the test owners loved and refused to give back to GM until GM threatened them? That was about dealers bitching it didn't require enough maintenance and oil company politicians telling GM to get rid of it. Our President owns oil companies, remember? They'll find some environmental problem, even if there isn't one of course, to ban it. It produces NO SULPHUR EMISSIONS, like diesel does. It's not low sulphur...it's NO SULPHUR. So, we'll have to make it a carcinogen killing the planet's children. Yeah, that'll work as a scare tactic. Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:56:33 +0000, Larry wrote:
No, I suspect the next thing to happen is the oil companies' bribed politicians will pass a law making it a felony to burn anything but oil company fuel in any vehicle, driving us all underground. Remember the GM EV-1 all the test owners loved and refused to give back to GM until GM threatened them? That was about dealers bitching it didn't require enough maintenance and oil company politicians telling GM to get rid of it. Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto mfgs from different sources. I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession. 1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog. 2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog. 3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog. Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember). But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. --Vic |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
Neighbor that has a fuel polishing business doesn't need any stinking french fry oil to run his diesel truck. Typical customer calls and wants all the diesel removed from his tanks for one reason or another and asks if the neighbor can also dispose of it. Neighbor says sure but there is a $50 disposal fee on top of the pumping fee. Pumps the rotten diesel into 55 gal barrels, takes it home, filters it through his own system and pumps it into his truck. Wrong color but who's checking! BTW, He had a customer that ran fresh water into his fuel tank. He pumped and polished the fuel to remove the water. Not two weeks later, the same customer called and said he had did it again!!!! Gordon |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:57:49 -0500, Vic Smith said: Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. You obviously haven't a clue as to what buyers want in their cars. And, as a slip-and-fall lawyer, you'd rather people drive around in mini cars so when they got squashed by full sized cars or SUVs you'll have lots of clients hiring you to sue for bodily injury and pain and suffering. And when they get a million-dollar settlement you grab 90% of it and laugh all the way to the bank while they struggle along on 10%. I just don't know how lawyers can live with themselves. Wilbur Hubbard |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:17:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Dave" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:57:49 -0500, Vic Smith said: Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. You obviously haven't a clue as to what buyers want in their cars. And, as a slip-and-fall lawyer, you'd rather people drive around in mini cars so when they got squashed by full sized cars or SUVs you'll have lots of clients hiring you to sue for bodily injury and pain and suffering. And when they get a million-dollar settlement you grab 90% of it and laugh all the way to the bank while they struggle along on 10%. I just don't know how lawyers can live with themselves. Thanks for your response to this rude person, Wilbur. I was a bit puzzled by his manners, but now perhaps understand why he acts as he does. --Vic |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto mfgs from different sources. I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession. 1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog. 2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog. 3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog. Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember). But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. Have you never driven on a busy interstate? 80% of the cars are SUVs and PUs. BTW, my truck gets 6.5 MPG now. SBV |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Gordon" wrote in message ... Neighbor that has a fuel polishing business doesn't need any stinking french fry oil to run his diesel truck. Typical customer calls and wants all the diesel removed from his tanks for one reason or another and asks if the neighbor can also dispose of it. Neighbor says sure but there is a $50 disposal fee on top of the pumping fee. Pumps the rotten diesel into 55 gal barrels, takes it home, filters it through his own system and pumps it into his truck. Wrong color but who's checking! D.O.T., in most states. SBV |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember). But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. I agree, car ads are some of the worse. Bigger is better? And how about the ads geared towards the juvenile, immature ( bobspit types) street racer wannabes? Ouy vay! One ad touts their lighted cup holder. A LIGHTED CUP HOLDER FOR CRIPES SAKE !!!!! SBV |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:17:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: And, as a slip-and-fall lawyer, you'd rather people drive around in mini cars so when they got squashed by full sized cars or SUVs you'll have lots of clients hiring you to sue for bodily injury and pain and suffering. And when they get a million-dollar settlement you grab 90% of it and laugh all the way to the bank while they struggle along on 10%. I just don't know how lawyers can live with themselves. And you clearly haven't even the hint of a clue as to what I do. You claim to be a lawyer. As a lawyer what you do is make way, way more money than you're worth. Notice I said "make" money. I didn't say "earn" money. But, I don't believe for a minute you're really a lawyer. What lawyer hangs out on Usenet eight hours a day? BUSTED! Just take a look around you. Check out the company you keep. 1) Pudgy stay-at-home dads 2) McDonald's fry cooks 3) Phil Hendrie characters 4) Hillbilly truck drivers 5) Oz rejects 6) Trawler trash 7) PDQ trawler trash 8) Mac26X morons 9) 50GT druggies 10) Misogynistic barts 11) Broken down transPac wannabes 12) Lambchops who live in caves 13) Anal displaced Irishmen 14) Blind men 15) Blind women 16) Maxipad wearers 17) Depends wearers ........wannabe sailors all except for the chronic pretenders. Proud of yourself? Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahah! Wilbur Hubbard |
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Vic Smith wrote in
: Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto mfgs from different sources. I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession. 1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog. 2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog. 3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog. Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember). But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. --Vic Look closely at the lobby success Detroit has had keeping fuel efficient cars like the Smart Car and other tiny European and Asian developments out of the country, with the help of their "safety politicians". I've always wondered why I can buy this: http://tinyurl.com/3777vp Which is American made, has absolutely no safety equipment, whatsoever...but, I'm not allowed to buy this: http://tinyurl.com/2b7f9u which HAS plenty of safety equipment so the passengers survive this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s Here they crashed one into a new Mercedes S-class. It bounced off and everyone survived. Do you think the American on the one I can buy will survive this crash test? I doubt it. It's used as a flimsy excuse to keep fuel efficient cars that hurt my oil company President, GW, in his pocket book. Of course, not all Smart Cars are as fast as these with the 500HP Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle engine in them....(c; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIi...elated&search= Here's a Diablo Smart wiping a million dollar Ferrari's nose in a drag race....too funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQ...elated&search= ------------------------------- We're just now getting ONLY the most inefficiently powered Smart Cars into America. It's been years of waiting.... God I love youtube....(c; Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:17:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" said: And, as a slip-and-fall lawyer, you'd rather people drive around in mini cars so when they got squashed by full sized cars or SUVs you'll have lots of clients hiring you to sue for bodily injury and pain and suffering. And when they get a million-dollar settlement you grab 90% of it and laugh all the way to the bank while they struggle along on 10%. I just don't know how lawyers can live with themselves. And you clearly haven't even the hint of a clue as to what I do. You claim to be a lawyer. As a lawyer what you do is make way, way more money than you're worth. Notice I said "make" money. I didn't say "earn" money. But, I don't believe for a minute you're really a lawyer. What lawyer hangs out on Usenet eight hours a day? BUSTED! Just take a look around you. Check out the company you keep. 1) Pudgy stay-at-home dads 2) McDonald's fry cooks 3) Phil Hendrie characters 4) Hillbilly truck drivers 5) Oz rejects 6) Trawler trash 7) PDQ trawler trash 8) Mac26X morons 9) 50GT druggies 10) Misogynistic barts 11) Broken down transPac wannabes 12) Lambchops who live in caves 13) Anal displaced Irishmen 14) Blind men 15) Blind women 16) Maxipad wearers 17) Depends wearers .......wannabe sailors all except for the chronic pretenders. Proud of yourself? Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahah! Wilbur Hubbard Which one are you? I'm thinking #'s 10,14,16, and 17. Max |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:05 +0000, Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in : Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto mfgs from different sources. I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession. 1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog. 2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog. 3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog. Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember). But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. --Vic Look closely at the lobby success Detroit has had keeping fuel efficient cars like the Smart Car and other tiny European and Asian developments out of the country, with the help of their "safety politicians". I've always wondered why I can buy this: http://tinyurl.com/3777vp Which is American made, has absolutely no safety equipment, whatsoever...but, I'm not allowed to buy this: http://tinyurl.com/2b7f9u which HAS plenty of safety equipment so the passengers survive this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s Here they crashed one into a new Mercedes S-class. It bounced off and everyone survived. Do you think the American on the one I can buy will survive this crash test? I doubt it. It's used as a flimsy excuse to keep fuel efficient cars that hurt my oil company President, GW, in his pocket book. Of course, not all Smart Cars are as fast as these with the 500HP Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle engine in them....(c; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIi...elated&search= Here's a Diablo Smart wiping a million dollar Ferrari's nose in a drag race....too funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQ...elated&search= ------------------------------- We're just now getting ONLY the most inefficiently powered Smart Cars into America. It's been years of waiting.... God I love youtube....(c; Very timely, Larry. Would you put your money or Ford/GM or UAG? http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/0...markets23.html You remember the Bug in the '60's. All over the place. Had one myself Might see a repeat with another Kraut car. Especially if gas goes to 4-5 bucks. Should be interesting anyway. --Vic |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
And no sulphur needing bacteria to agglomerate?
So we're gonna grow Canola for fuel! Until it becomes bilegual. Terry K |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On 2007-06-19 11:15:39 -0400, Joe said:
Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels? The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would be nicer than diesel. Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper than Diesel fuel. Gosh, so many replies, none that answered the question, actually. Commercial biodiesel is considerably different than the home-brews from used oils. Ask the dealer for the supplier's website so you can see what you're getting: Superior cetane and lubrication, much fewer particulates, essentially zero pollution. We have a 2GM20F, about 15 years old, that we regularly run at up to 60% Bio. Motor runs smoother, starts easier, and definitely smells a heck of a lot better. Haven't found a down-side, no bug/dirt problems or the such, but I try to be mostly petro when we haul in the winter, as there were some reports a few years ago that bio didn't like to spend the winter sitting. I'd snap that fuel up in a second, AND check to see if my engine manufacturer had found any problem with running 100% in your climate. If I remember correctly, a boat with standard engines (I believe diesel outboards) went around the world on 100% bio as a publicity stunt. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
where do you get the bio?
"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007062120111016807-jerelull@maccom... On 2007-06-19 11:15:39 -0400, Joe said: We have a 2GM20F, about 15 years old, that we regularly run at up to 60% Bio. Motor runs smoother, starts easier, and definitely smells a heck of a lot better. |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Jun 21, 10:34 am, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:57:49 -0500, Vic Smith said: Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers. You obviously haven't a clue as to what buyers want in their cars. There are 2 chinese restaurants close to the marina here, wonder how the cooking oil would mix with the diesel I have now (bought in the Maquesas) that was polluted with used crankcase oil? Maybe thin it out and make it run better? Mike |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On Jun 21, 7:41 pm, "Scotty" wrote:
where do you get the bio? "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007062120111016807-jerelull@maccom... On 2007-06-19 11:15:39 -0400, Joe said: We have a 2GM20F, about 15 years old, that we regularly run at up to 60% Bio. Motor runs smoother, starts easier, and definitely smells a heck of a lot better.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here we have Houston Bio-Fuels..10 cheaper than diesel. You can go he http://hypebot.typepad.com/hypebot/i...cornerlogo.jpg Joe |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
On 2007-06-21 20:41:35 -0400, "Scotty" said:
"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007062120111016807-jerelull@maccom... We have a 2GM20F, about 15 years old, that we regularly run at up to 60% Bio. Motor runs smoother, starts easier, and definitely smells a heck of a lot better. where do you get the bio? A local fuel supplier that I found in a search. I don't have their info with me, and it wouldn't do any good unless you're in the Philly area, anyway. (I have it at work, though.) Among other things, they supply bio to construction sites. Expect there's a charge for that, but I can show up and they'll fill my container. About a decade ago, there was a bio pump at the dock at Kent Narrows. Unluckily, I learned about it the season after they shut it down. For a while, I could get 1 and 5-gallon jugs of it at a few docks, but that dried up. I intend to ask for availability as I cruise around. Perhaps they'll get the hint. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's new pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Vic Smith wrote in
: You remember the Bug in the '60's. All over the place. Had one myself Might see a repeat with another Kraut car. Especially if gas goes to 4-5 bucks. Should be interesting anyway. --Vic I had a string of VWs. 3 bugs, 411 wagon, 2 Kombi campers, one bus...all great vehicles, but way too much maintenance on the air cooled pancake engines. All that valve adjusting was way too much. Larry -- http://www.spp.gov/ The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP |
Converting Diesel engines to burn Bio-fuel
"Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007062200491416807-jerelull@maccom... On 2007-06-21 20:41:35 -0400, "Scotty" said: "Jere Lull" wrote in message news:2007062120111016807-jerelull@maccom... We have a 2GM20F, about 15 years old, that we regularly run at up to 60% Bio. Motor runs smoother, starts easier, and definitely smells a heck of a lot better. where do you get the bio? A local fuel supplier that I found in a search. I don't have their info with me, and it wouldn't do any good unless you're in the Philly area, anyway. (I have it at work, though.) Which I am. I thought you were getting it on the Bay somewhere. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
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