* Vic Smith wrote, On 6/8/2007 1:11 AM:
... This is a myth.

May be. But if you look at the prices for some of the older ones, I
bet they actually list them at more than they cost new. Remember that
anything prior to '95 isn't a X/M. Anyway, the listed price isn't
necessarily the real cost, so you may be right.


The old Macs are a quite different boat. And the value of a "vintage"
boat has little to do with its original price - it is determined by
how well it was maintained, and how much has to be spent to make it
functional. When you buy an old boat you're often really buying and
engine and sails, maybe a trailer.

Yeah, I'm parroting somebody on the Mac group who was looking at
Bayliners for boating/weekending with his wife and kids. He did some
research, and what he said was all reasonable. It's easy enough to
verify.

There is no doubt that some will prefer the styling and layout of the
Mac. That's why it make no sense to just copy statements like this.
There are some million dollar boats that I think are atrocious, some
pocket cruisers that I think are elegant. I'm not a fan of Bayliners,
but they are the lap of luxury compared to a Mac.

Most of those Bayliners (one of my kids had one) have 350's
and are real gas hogs. Never looked myself.

There is certainly no doubt of that. But, it depends on how fast and
far you go.

This is sounding a lot like the mac is the boat for
people who never want to use a boat.

No, just that about every cruising log I've read has multiple
instances of plumbing failures and **** fouling the boat.
Maybe sailors just don't make good plumbers.

I've had my battles with the head, but that doesn't make the
porta-pottie better. And the issue is a bit silly because you can
always remove a head and put in a porta-pottie.

Personally, even though I *was* a plumber, I'd probably go with an
Airhead, and stow an extra **** tank if necessary. They're expensive,
but probably less costly in the long run.

You seem to be infatuated with new gadgets. Don't rely on an internet
comment, find someone who actually has one. From what I've heard,
there are issues if its not used regularly.

And FWIW, I've never seen a boat with **** in the bilge. I have seen
people appalled by someone carrying a porta-pottie through the yacht
club looking for a place to dump it.


And didn't the factory have to add an inspection port so you could
tell if water was accumulating in the bilge? And wasn't that because
the boat would be dangerously unstable with too much bilge water?

Lot's of ways to find something to criticize with any boat. That's
one. The stability stuff is overblown.

Actually, I wasn't sure if your "**** in the bilge" comment was meant
literally or if you thought the Mac always had a dry bilge because of
limited through-hulls. The stability issue with Mac is real, but my
real problem with it is that they market the boat to novices who would
understand the issue the least. I brought it up only to show that the
bilge can accumulate enough water to be a liability.


Wood is just a matter of style - most boats nowadays have very little
outside wood; mine has none.

Some folks just love to spend time rubbing teak.
But for anything but a liveaboard I don't like any more wood
below than necessary. Darkens the quarters, demands
care and covers the mechanicals. For the kind of boat use
I have in mind a spartan boat is better.

You've described a boat with no mechanicals, so I'm not sure what
would be hidden. My boat has lots of wood down below, but it doesn't
prevent access to anything - in fact, its the wood lockers that can be
easily removed to gain access. Its the glassed in parts that are hard
to get to.


6. They are recent - the oldest X is '95, M 2002(?)
OK. Its pretty funny to see the same broker list a new boat at 37K
and a four year old boat at under 22K while you're claiming they "hold
their value."

That 37K broker price means nothing.
What it cost to buy and equip a new boat - Mac or other -
isn't a secret.

Indeed - while the dealer price can be negotiated down, it usually
cost more to get the boat in the water. A used asking price, however,
is often 20% inflated, and any serious issued trigger more negotiation.

In looking at many ads and reading accounts it seems
to me the Mac does real well with resale value, but frankly I haven't
priced many boats that are somewhat comparable, because there just
aren't many out there. I'd pay a nice premium for a boat that had
just simple Mac amenities, gunkholing ability and known good glass,
but better sailing performance. I'd like a small diesel myself, since
I'm not interested in speeding about. Outside of multi-hulls, a
knee-deep anchorage boat with some space aboard will never sail as
well as a keel. But they will sail, and are economical to move, if
slowly.

Here's my choice for a gunkholer ... therd are many others of the
genre. They are pricey new, but there are few issues with a used one.
http://www.marshallcat.com/

If I lived on the water and was more interested in short term personal
boating than long term family cruising, I would get a Marshall and
maybe even something like this:
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=18

One guy has a custom weighted daggerboard ...

People who hack boats hack the one they have - I doubt this guy bought
a new Mac with the intent of "suping it up." There are always people
like this, and more power to them. It just doesn't represent an
endorsement of the boat.

Most of those "advantages" don't hold up to close inspection. With
the exception of being able to use the large engine, they are not much
different from other trailer sailers, except that the don't sail as
nicely. MacGregor did not invent the concept of a simple boat with an
outboard engine.

Yeah, I've heard that before. I clipped a list of trailer sailers
names Doug had in a post, and went looking for them.
Most were 25-40 years old sitting in backyards with birds nesting in
them.

And a lot of them are even MacGregors. That is the fate of old boats.
But since these boats have very few systems, a few days with a
powerwash will clean them up. Add a new 10hp outboard and you could
have a serviceable boat.

There are also new boats and middle aged boats out there.

But if you've got recommendations for gunkholers I'm all ears.
And I'm not keen about trailerable. I might even pay to keep
a trailerable waterside so I don't have to haul it around. The
trailerables are just commonly gunkholers and relatively inexpensive.
If I had my druthers I'd like more beam and length than the
trailerables. But trailerables still fit, since my aim is Florida
west coast key and sandbar excursions, and some Gulf fishing.
Couple weeks at a time. Three weeks max.

Well, I have a catamaran, but there are few of those with a low price
tag. And my choice for a smaller cruiser would be catboat. But what
about all of the swing keel boats out there? There must be plenty
that suit your needs.

Are you sure? I saw some with an asking price under 15K. Without the
big engine maybe you could get one for 12.

That would be great, but I haven't run across that. Anyway, like I
remember Capt'n Neal saying on his website - don't pay an arm and
a leg for your first sailboat. Good advice.

That is certainly good advice - its takes owning a few before you
understand what you really want in a boat. As for prices, just bring
up YachtWorld or Soundings. YW has several under 20K, a few in FL;
and Soundings has even more, including a 1995 with an 8Hp for 10K in
SC. Another has a 2006 50Hp but no mast for 10K in FL.


Yep, the shallow draft is tops on my list. Probably will never do any
ocean sailing. But who knows? I'm all talk right now.
That why I appreciate hearing about sailing from all the real sailors
here. Real people, with real sailing experience.
Ain't that cool?

Yes, but I'll let you in on a secret. We're all liars!

Jeff wrote in
:

* Vic Smith wrote, On 6/7/2007 12:02 AM:

Yeah, they really hold their price.

Do they? I just looked a YachtWorld and there were several about 5
years old that were 2/3 the price of a new one - and that includes a
trailer and a big engine. This is a myth.


I'd say two-thirds new price is exceptional. Most heavy keel boats lose
about half their value in the first two years. So how is that a myth,
man? You're full of it.


A few likely reasons, in no
particular order. Might be out-of-the-box thinking here, since the
MacX/M are called "Powersailors," not "Sailboats."

Yes, its true they have a unique niche, and for some people its a good
choice. If you like to drive around the country and power/sail in
lakes, it could be nice.


Now you're talking sense. Macs are the most versatile sailboat going.


1. Even if the owner gets tired or "sailing," he still has a
decently fuel economical and trailerable powerboat, with about the
same cabin space of a $75k Bayliner. But about 18'' draft. Leave
mast and sails at home. Some do that, and look at it as powerboat
only.

There are much, much better powerboats, including the Bayliner. And
are you sure about that comparison, or are you just parroting someone
else's comment? The Bayliner will carry more people further and
faster and in much more comfort than the Mac. And it only draws 20".


Powerboats cost about twice as much new. You pay huge sums for those
expensive inboard motors. You guzzle gas and you can't sail to save on
gas. Macs are better in almost every way.And you forgot about all the
space inside that those inboard motors (twins in most cases) take up.
That's space you can't use. All the space inside a Mac is usable space.


2. Macs normally don't have holding tanks/stinking hoses, don't
smell like ****, and don't have **** floating in the bilge.

Are you seriously claiming that having to use a porta-pottie is a
major advantage? This is sounding a lot like the mac is the boat for
people who never want to use a boat.

And didn't the factory have to add an inspection port so you could
tell if water was accumulating in the bilge? And wasn't that because
the boat would be dangerously unstable with too much bilge water?

Porta-potties are much better. You comply with the law and you don't
have plumbing trouble. You don't have thru-hulls and holding tanks and
plumbing to leak and stink. I've been inside some expensive yachts and
they all smelled like **** and diesel fuel. Yuck. At least you have
clean air in a Mac.

And you need to get a clue, man. Macs put water in the bilge tank to
make them MORE stable for sailing. How can you claim bilge water makes
them less stable. Busted!


3. You can park it in your yard, and avoid mooring/dock/layup costs.

True, but how is this different from all of the other trailer boats?

4. If you decide to go overland, just hook up the trailer and you've
got instant Winnebago.

True, but how is this different from all of the other trailer boats?

Just because it's not different from other boats doesn't make it any
less of an attractive feature, does it? You might have brown hair and
lots of other people have brown hair but that doesn't mean brown hair
isn't good to have.


5. They aren't tricked out like a Victorian whorehouse - very little
wood and cabinetry to maintain. Some people don't think wood and
salt mix. Simple and easily reached electrics. One thru-hull for a
sink drain?

This speaks more to a desire to do limited inland, daysailing. I go
out for several weeks at a time, sometimes with guests. We've cruised
for a year at a time. Would you want to do that with just a little
porta-pottie?

Wood is just a matter of style - most boats nowadays have very little
outside wood; mine has none.

Wood is a matter of work. It doesn't last long unless you keep after it.
You gotta paint and varnish and sand and seal. The more fiberglass all
you have to do is wipe it off once in a while and wax it sometimes and
it's done.


6. They are recent - the oldest X is '95, M 2002(?)

OK. Its pretty funny to see the same broker list a new boat at 37K
and a four year old boat at under 22K while you're claiming they "hold
their value."


Liar. Prove it, man. And even if you can prove it it's only one case.
One case doesn't make it the case for the majority of for sale Macs.


7. While Macs are light, glass quality is consistently good, no
balsa in the hulls. I wouldn't even bother with a survey on these.

You must be the type of person who always wins at the casino.


He just happens to be right. The fiberglass on Macs is premium quality.
I challenge you to find ONE Mac with osmosis blisters.


8. They sail at the low end of performance. Some sailors modify
them to reach moderate sailing performance in most but light air.

whatever - certainly there are a few who have stripped them out and
sail without ballast, but is this a reason to buy one???

Most of the forgoing items are more important than sailing
performance to Mac buyers. If they just wanted to sail, they'd get a
performing sailboat.

Most of those "advantages" don't hold up to close inspection. With
the exception of being able to use the large engine, they are not much
different from other trailer sailers, except that the don't sail as
nicely. MacGregor did not invent the concept of a simple boat with an
outboard engine.


Bull, you don't sail a Mac. You never sailed a Mac because you're
talking out your ass, man.



There might be more reasons Macs hold their price, but those are the
big hitters.

I'm sorry, are you really claiming they hold their value because they
have a porta-pottie???

Let it go, man. you're wrong and you know it. It's got nothing to do
with porti-potties. It's got everything to do with simple, low maintence
and safety. Macs are used mostly for day-sailing. You don't need a built
in toilet with smelly holding tanks that break and leak.


Some of those reasons are real attractive to me, but
DAMN! I don't have the cash to afford a Mac!

Are you sure? I saw some with an asking price under 15K. Without the
big engine maybe you could get one for 12.

Hey, the big engine makes the boat. You just don't understand. When you
need to go someplace in a hurry you fire up the big engine. A fifty HP
Honda gets better gas mileage than a diesel. It uses maybe half a quart
an hour at half throttle which is about twenty miles an hour.


I've read quite a bit on the Mac forum, and boy do I envy those guys.
Super-cool bunch too. Polite and helpful.

You mean like boaters almost everywhere, except at ASA?

Did you read that, man. A cool bunch. Mac owners share a certain
comradry that keelboaters don't. Keelboaters like you are snobs who just
can'f fit in. Mac owners are social people who like each other's
company.



One other guy says he buys a couple a year, cleans them up and fits
them out and sells them for thousands more than he paid for them. He
says he never has to sit on them for more than a month at most and
most sell the first week he puts them on the market. I've seen
several really choice ones but they wanted more for them than I paid
for mine new.

That guy was probably lying to you. Lot of that going on.
It's just plain difficult to get any good deal on a Mac.
But not impossible, so maybe this guy is sharp.

Duh! Ed is making this up. If it is Ed.

You calling me a liar? What an ass!


But remember, Neal lost his "unsinkable" boat.


Then maybe he'll get an unsinkable Mac26X instead. I think you can buy
one from the factory with that option.

So stop with all the negativism will ya? What do you gain complaining
all the time and putting other people's boats down?


--
Cheerio,
Ed Gordon
http://www.egordon873.homestead.com/drug.html

* Ed Gordon wrote, On 6/8/2007 12:33 PM:
Jeff wrote in
:

* Vic Smith wrote, On 6/7/2007 12:02 AM:
Yeah, they really hold their price.
Do they? I just looked a YachtWorld and there were several about 5
years old that were 2/3 the price of a new one - and that includes a
trailer and a big engine. This is a myth.


I'd say two-thirds new price is exceptional. Most heavy keel boats lose
about half their value in the first two years. So how is that a myth,
man? You're full of it.

You are totally delusional. Most boats hold their value pretty well
for the first few years. A broker offered me 105% of the original
price for my boat when it was 2 years old. At 8 years its still worth
over 80%. This is why I'm so surprised when people claim Macs hold
their value, when compared to most, their value seems to plummet.


... If you like to drive around the country and power/sail in
lakes, it could be nice.


Now you're talking sense. Macs are the most versatile sailboat going.

And yet, you claim I "hate Macs."


Powerboats cost about twice as much new. You pay huge sums for those
expensive inboard motors. You guzzle gas and you can't sail to save on
gas. Macs are better in almost every way.And you forgot about all the
space inside that those inboard motors (twins in most cases) take up.
That's space you can't use. All the space inside a Mac is usable space.

It doesn't change the fact that a $75K Bayliner has a nicer interior.
That was the only point discussed.


2. Macs normally don't have holding tanks/stinking hoses, don't
smell like ****, and don't have **** floating in the bilge.
Are you seriously claiming that having to use a porta-pottie is a
major advantage? This is sounding a lot like the mac is the boat for
people who never want to use a boat.

And didn't the factory have to add an inspection port so you could
tell if water was accumulating in the bilge? And wasn't that because
the boat would be dangerously unstable with too much bilge water?

Porta-potties are much better. You comply with the law and you don't
have plumbing trouble. You don't have thru-hulls and holding tanks and
plumbing to leak and stink. I've been inside some expensive yachts and
they all smelled like **** and diesel fuel. Yuck. At least you have
clean air in a Mac.

If someone thinks a porta-pottie is better, is there any reason why
they can't put one in any boat? Of course not. In fact, many, if not
most trailer boats use a porta-pottie.


And you need to get a clue, man. Macs put water in the bilge tank to
make them MORE stable for sailing. How can you claim bilge water makes
them less stable. Busted!

Busted??? You're the one busted. Here's a quote from the Mac web site:

"DO NOT OPERATE THE BOAT WITH A LOT OF WATER IN THE BILGE (OUTSIDE OF
THE BALLAST TANK). It can slosh around and seriously degrade
stability. Always keep your bilges dry. Check the bilge frequently.
There are a number of places where water can collect. Check them all."

As I said, my issue with the stability of Macs is that the novices
that buy them don't fully understand the problem. It looks like you
just proved my point.


3. You can park it in your yard, and avoid mooring/dock/layup costs.
True, but how is this different from all of the other trailer boats?

4. If you decide to go overland, just hook up the trailer and you've
got instant Winnebago.
True, but how is this different from all of the other trailer boats?

Just because it's not different from other boats doesn't make it any
less of an attractive feature, does it? You might have brown hair and
lots of other people have brown hair but that doesn't mean brown hair
isn't good to have.

Vic was implying that these are unique advantages of the Mac. I never
said the Mac was bad because of it, only that there are a number of
other boats with the same attributes.


Wood is just a matter of style - most boats nowadays have very little
outside wood; mine has none.

Wood is a matter of work. It doesn't last long unless you keep after it.
You gotta paint and varnish and sand and seal. The more fiberglass all
you have to do is wipe it off once in a while and wax it sometimes and
it's done.

Interior wood takes very little effort to keep new. My 11 year old
daughter oiled all of ours in an hour or so last weekend. If you want
to live in a clorox bottle, that's your privilege.


6. They are recent - the oldest X is '95, M 2002(?)
OK. Its pretty funny to see the same broker list a new boat at 37K
and a four year old boat at under 22K while you're claiming they "hold
their value."


Liar. Prove it, man.

Just look on YachtWorld. The boats in question were in Punta Gorda;
the new boat is gone, but the used one is still there. They do have a
new without engine for 21, and a nearby private party is selling a new
one for 37.9. Punta Gorda is also selling several 26X's for under 16K.

And even if you can prove it it's only one case.
One case doesn't make it the case for the majority of for sale Macs.

Sorry - its the cheapest boat that makes the market when there are
educated buyers. In fact I found a lot of Macs much cheaper than the
new price. Just look on Soundings and YachtWorld. And these are just
the asking prices, we don't get to see what they actually sold for.



7. While Macs are light, glass quality is consistently good, no
balsa in the hulls. I wouldn't even bother with a survey on these.
You must be the type of person who always wins at the casino.


He just happens to be right. The fiberglass on Macs is premium quality.
I challenge you to find ONE Mac with osmosis blisters.

So you personally guarantee the quality of every Mac (and its engine)
that is sold. That's real decent of you. Frankly, I'd like to have a
professional look it over carefully for hidden problems before I lay
down my money.



8. They sail at the low end of performance. Some sailors modify
them to reach moderate sailing performance in most but light air.
whatever - certainly there are a few who have stripped them out and
sail without ballast, but is this a reason to buy one???

Most of the forgoing items are more important than sailing
performance to Mac buyers. If they just wanted to sail, they'd get a
performing sailboat.
Most of those "advantages" don't hold up to close inspection. With
the exception of being able to use the large engine, they are not much
different from other trailer sailers, except that the don't sail as
nicely. MacGregor did not invent the concept of a simple boat with an
outboard engine.


Bull, you don't sail a Mac. You never sailed a Mac because you're
talking out your ass, man.

How do you know I've never sailed one? The performance numbers are
out there; there's no secret about them.


There might be more reasons Macs hold their price, but those are the
big hitters.
I'm sorry, are you really claiming they hold their value because they
have a porta-pottie???

Let it go, man. you're wrong and you know it. It's got nothing to do
with porti-potties. It's got everything to do with simple, low maintence
and safety. Macs are used mostly for day-sailing. You don't need a built
in toilet with smelly holding tanks that break and leak.

You really don't understand the issue. ANY small boat can have a
porta-pottie. Having one doesn't make the Mac special. I think Vic
talked about going out for up to three weeks - how many times would he
have to empty the pottie?



Some of those reasons are real attractive to me, but
DAMN! I don't have the cash to afford a Mac!
Are you sure? I saw some with an asking price under 15K. Without the
big engine maybe you could get one for 12.

Hey, the big engine makes the boat. You just don't understand. When you
need to go someplace in a hurry you fire up the big engine. A fifty HP
Honda gets better gas mileage than a diesel. It uses maybe half a quart
an hour at half throttle which is about twenty miles an hour.

So now its clear you have no actual experience with a Mac. The 50 hp
Honda would have a lot of trouble pushing the boat at 20mph; it
probably tops out at 17. And, it would be burning about 4 gallons an
hour (or more) doing it. Even throttled way back it would probably
burn a gallon an hour, which is more than my diesels pushing a boat
that weighs three times as much.


I've read quite a bit on the Mac forum, and boy do I envy those guys.
Super-cool bunch too. Polite and helpful.
You mean like boaters almost everywhere, except at ASA?

Did you read that, man. A cool bunch. Mac owners share a certain
comradry that keelboaters don't.

So what happened to you? Did they throw you out?

Keelboaters like you are snobs who just
can'f fit in.

What makes you think I'm a keelboater?

Mac owners are social people who like each other's
company.

No one else would have them?

Sorry Ed, only a real jerk would claim that one group of boaters are
inherently better than another.


One other guy says he buys a couple a year, cleans them up and fits
them out and sells them for thousands more than he paid for them. He
says he never has to sit on them for more than a month at most and
most sell the first week he puts them on the market. I've seen
several really choice ones but they wanted more for them than I paid
for mine new.

That guy was probably lying to you. Lot of that going on.
It's just plain difficult to get any good deal on a Mac.
But not impossible, so maybe this guy is sharp.
Duh! Ed is making this up. If it is Ed.

You calling me a liar? What an ass!

Hey, you proved it with some of your claims here.


But remember, Neal lost his "unsinkable" boat.


Then maybe he'll get an unsinkable Mac26X instead. I think you can buy
one from the factory with that option.

So stop with all the negativism will ya? What do you gain complaining
all the time and putting other people's boats down?

Where did I put down anyone's boat? First of all neither you nor Vic
even have a Mac. Second, I didn't say anything negative about the Mac
other than there are other boats that sail better. I've said many
times that there are certain situations for which the Mac is an
appropriate choice.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
*

A broker offered me 105% of the original
price for my boat when it was 2 years old.

BFD, a broker offered me 175% of the selling price, one day
after I bought my boat.

Scotty

Vic Smith wrote in
:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:50:13 +0200 (CEST), Ed Gordon
wrote:

I've spent the past two days looking at used Mac26Xs. I've seen about
half a dozen that were advertised for sale by owner. I was hoping to
get a real bargain but that seems to be too much to hope for. Why?
Well, it's because everybody luvs their Macs. Two of the sellers said
they'd rather just keep their Macs than sell them for a low-ball
price.

Yeah, they really hold their price. A few likely reasons, in no
particular order. Might be out-of-the-box thinking here, since the
MacX/M are called "Powersailors," not "Sailboats."
1. Even if the owner gets tired or "sailing," he still has a decently
fuel economical and trailerable powerboat, with about the same cabin
space of a $75k Bayliner. But about 18'' draft. Leave mast and sails
at home. Some do that, and look at it as powerboat only.
2. Macs normally don't have holding tanks/stinking hoses, don't smell
like ****, and don't have **** floating in the bilge.
3. You can park it in your yard, and avoid mooring/dock/layup costs.
4. If you decide to go overland, just hook up the trailer and you've
got instant Winnebago.
5. They aren't tricked out like a Victorian whorehouse - very little
wood and cabinetry to maintain. Some people don't think wood and salt
mix. Simple and easily reached electrics. One thru-hull for a sink
drain?
6. They are recent - the oldest X is '95, M 2002(?)
7. While Macs are light, glass quality is consistently good, no balsa
in the hulls. I wouldn't even bother with a survey on these.
8. They sail at the low end of performance. Some sailors modify them
to reach moderate sailing performance in most but light air.
Most of the forgoing items are more important than sailing performance
to Mac buyers. If they just wanted to sail, they'd get a performing
sailboat.

There might be more reasons Macs hold their price, but those are the
big hitters. Some of those reasons are real attractive to me, but
DAMN! I don't have the cash to afford a Mac!
I've read quite a bit on the Mac forum, and boy do I envy those guys.
Super-cool bunch too. Polite and helpful.

One other guy says he buys a couple a year, cleans them up and fits
them out
and sells them for thousands more than he paid for them. He says he
never has to sit on them for more than a month at most and most sell
the first week he puts them on the market. I've seen several really
choice ones but they wanted more for them than I paid for mine new.

That guy was probably lying to you. Lot of that going on.
It's just plain difficult to get any good deal on a Mac.
But not impossible, so maybe this guy is sharp.

That should tell you Mac bashers something. Macs are holding their
resale value so it means they keep staying very popular. I bet your
heavy keel boat can't make that statement. Compared to a Mac26X they
are a bad investiment.

Yeah, but some us just don't look at a boat as an "investment."
Though I just can't afford a Mac right now, doesn't mean I can't
get something cheaper. I can hire a homeless person to pull out
all the warped/rotten cabinets, the "sanitary" and electric systems,
and clean the **** from the bilges if I go for an older keel boat.
But that's only the start on an older cheap boat. And that old keel
is still going to keep it from going into the gunkholes where a Mac
commonly goes.
I don't know, I just don't know. Maybe it's time to visit Capt'n
Neal's website for some advice. I think he covers the best methods
for a non-wealthy person to buy a boat. He's another polite and
helpful guy. Sometimes.

--Vic


Good post Vic. I'm happy to see some objectivity and some common sense
after reading so much crap from "jeff". I remember Capt. Neal well. He
was always trash talking Macs. I'd say he's a worthless little **** but
I suspect he was just playing Devil's advocate. His boat was pretty much
a heavy slow Mac and he was probably jealous he was stuck with an old
boat he couldn't do much with and wished he had a Mac instead. I guess
he was too poor to do much about the situation though.

--
Cheerio,
Ed Gordon
http://www.egordon873.homestead.com/drug.html

On Jun 6, 4:50 pm, Ed Gordon wrote:
I've spent the past two days looking at used Mac26Xs. I've seen about
half a dozen that were advertised for sale by owner. I was hoping to get
a real bargain but that seems to be too much to hope for. Why? Well,
it's because everybody luvs their Macs. Two of the sellers said they'd
rather just keep their Macs than sell them for a low-ball price. One
other guy says he buys a couple a year, cleans them up and fits them out
and sells them for thousands more than he paid for them. He says he
never has to sit on them for more than a month at most and most sell the
first week he puts them on the market. I've seen several really choice
ones but they wanted more for them than I paid for mine new.

That should tell you Mac bashers something. Macs are holding their
resale value so it means they keep staying very popular. I bet your
heavy keel boat can't make that statement. Compared to a Mac26X they are
a bad investiment.

--
Cheerio,
Ed Gordonhttp://www.egordon873.homestead.com/drug.html

What is nice about them, is people will pay you to
take them away.

Bart wrote in news:1181249990.297309.49270
@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:


What is nice about them, is people will pay you to
take them away.




You just don't know what you're talking about. Make your stupid lame
jokes but don't expect anybody to laugh because they ain't the least bit
funny, man. Just do some serious price shopping and you'll see how Macs
are selling for new prices even if they are five years old. Sure there's
some rough ones that aren't worth much but that's not the Macs fault.
It's just people who don't take care of anything. You know the type.
They buy something and then let it turn to ****. They use it up rather
than using it.


--
Cheerio,
Ed Gordon
http://www.egordon873.homestead.com/drug.html