"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bart wrote:

On May 29, 2:19 pm, Fuzzy Logic wrote:

Since when does vandals=liberals?

And where is the tie-in to alt.sailing.asa? Maybe try alt.crime?

It is posted as off-topic. OT

It is a good assumption--the labeling of Veterans
as criminals is the common view of the liberals.


There are no facts to support this inflammatory remark. You are a
self
confessed conservative, you have posted this sort of fallacious remark
in the past, can one extrapolate from that that MOST conservatives are
liars?

I rather think that most vandals have no political philosophy what so
ever. They're too busy plotting their next anti-social act to apply
their cretinous little brains to such matters.

Cheers
Marty

Boy, are you ever clueless. Conservatives just don't go around burning
flags and painting swastikas or otherwise defacing property in an
infantile display of liberalism. Nope, it's liberals, socialists,
leftists, anti-Semites etc. who engage in this type of behavior.

Conservatives, as a group, don't engage in public hate crimes because
they are educated enough and experienced enough to state their views in
a thoughtful, intelligent and responsible manner. That's why
conservative talk show hosts are popular and any and all liberal talk
show hosts are unemployed and their networks bankrupt. Even other
liberals can't stand listening to their sordid, infantile, anti-American
behavior for long.

So, you just don't have a leg to stand on trying to claim it wasn't
liberals who desecrated those graves. The far left-wingers hate America
first and the military is America at her best.

I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard

Every reputable scientist knows that we are the prime contributors to global
warming. If you know anything about the subject, claiming that because it's
warmer or colder in a specific spot, you would know that's a fallacious
argument.

--
"j" ganz

Wrong Jon. The Sun is a million times more massive than the earth.
It is well proven that tiny fluxuation in its output directly effect
weather on earth.

When lies are repeated often enough people like you
will believe them like religion without question.

Use your head and think about it. Do some research
in SUN OUTPUT WEATHER

I Googled that just now and found this:

How can you doubt the Sun is the most significant
factor?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ut_030320.html

Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming

By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 02:30 pm ET 20 March 2003

In what could be the simplest explanation for one
component of global warming, a new study shows
the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent
per decade since the late 1970s.

The increase would only be significant to Earth's
climate if it has been going on for a century or
more, said study leader Richard Willson, a Columbia
University researcher also affiliated with NASA's
Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The Sun's increasing output has only been
monitored with precision since satellite technology
allowed necessary observations. Willson is not
sure if the trend extends further back in time, but
other studies suggest it does.

"This trend is important because, if sustained
over many decades, it could cause significant
climate change," Willson said.

In a NASA-funded study recently published in
Geophysical Research Letters, Willson and
his colleagues speculate on the possible history
of the trend based on data collected in the
pre-satellite era.

"Solar activity has apparently been going
upward for a century or more," Willson told
SPACE.com today.

Significant component

Further satellite observations may eventually
show the trend to be short-term. But if the
change has indeed persisted at the present
rate through the 20th Century, "it would have
provided a significant component of the global
warming the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change reports to have occurred over
the past 100 years," he said.

That does not mean industrial pollution has
not been a significant factor, Willson cautioned.

Scientists, industry leaders and environmentalists
have argued for years whether humans have
contributed to global warming, and to what extent.
The average surface temperature around the globe
has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1880.
Some scientists say the increase could be part of
natural climate cycles. Others argue that
greenhouse gases produced by automobiles and
industry are largely to blame.

Willson said the Sun's possible influence has
been largely ignored because it is so difficult to
quantify over long periods.

Confounding efforts to determine the Sun's role
is the fact that its energy output waxes and wanes
every 11 years. This solar cycle, as it is called,
reached maximum in the middle of 2000 and
chieved a second peak in 2002. It is now ramping
down toward a solar minimum that will arrive in
about three years.

Connections

Changes in the solar cycle -- and solar output --
are known to cause short-term climate change
on Earth. At solar max, Earth's thin upper
atmosphere can see a doubling of temperature.
It swells, and denser air can puff up to the
region of space where the International Space
Station orbits, causing increased drag on the
hip and forcing more frequent boosts from space shuttles.

* Bart wrote, On 5/29/2007 10:50 PM:
On May 29, 8:26 pm, Jeff wrote:
It is a good assumption--the labeling of Veterans
as criminals is the common view of the liberals.
Common view of liberals? You have so much hate in you Bart, you need
a long vacation. seriously.

No hate in me Jeff. If you want hate, look to kook liberals
like Swabby with his vile language.

Frankly, I see far, far more hate coming from the conservatives than
from the liberals.


I just stated I'm glad the liberals are kooks. It makes
their viewpoint less credible.

Who do you think has been calling the Conservcatives
Nazi's.

Frankly, I don't like the use of the term; I think it should be
reserved for the true Nazis, so that we never forget who they were and
what they did.

However, there have been lots of cases where conservatives truly do
support the the Nazis and are worthy of the epithet. For example,
recall that Buchanan pushed Regan into giving the speech at Bitburg,
and even wrote the line about how SS troops were just victims. Even
Rudi Giuliani called him a Nazi when he tried to block the extradition
of a concentration camp guard.

And we shouldn't forget that a primary attribute of Nazis is that they
excluded anyone they didn't like from their society. Jews, Gypsies,
Gays, intellectuals and other groups were considered not worthy of
being Germans. Whenever I hear hate rhetoric, almost always from
conservatives, about how some people or group is "anti-American" or
"not worthy of being an American" the parallel to Nazi rhetoric is
clear. The most obvious case is the anti-gay rhetoric of the far
right, which could have been taken verbatim from Naxi literature.

Who regularly bash the military and those who serve?

I live in a hotbed of East Coast Liberalism, in fact I lived and/or
worked in Cambridge for most of my life, and I never once heard a
grownup "bash" anyone who served in the military (other than a general
or two). This is purely a fantasy of your sick imagination. The acts
of a few kids does not represent the feeling of half the country.

It is true that liberals bash the politicians who send kids off to die
in pointless wars. BTW, how many of the administration neo-cons ever
served in the real military? How many even remembered to show up at
their reserve meetings?

Do you remember Vietnam and how Veterans were treated?

Again, the misguided acts of a handful of kids 40 years ago. Get over it!

All because a traitor like Hanoi Jane convinced many people
our solders were baby killers.

Are your really going to tell us you don't feel hatred for Jane?

The pattern is repeated over and over again. Angry Kook
liberals trying to inflame a small minority. They are angry
that there is a silent majority with enough common sense
to ignore their thoughtless viewpoint.


The pattern is repeated over and over again. Angry Kook
conservatives trying to inflame a small minority. They are angry
that there is a silent majority with enough common sense
to ignore their thoughtless viewpoint.

Nazi propaganda minster, Goebbles said that if you repeat
a lie often enough, people will start to believe it. This seems
to be the creedo of the kook fringe of Democratic Party.

Nazi propaganda minster, Goebbles said that if you repeat
a lie often enough, people will start to believe it. This seems
to be the creedo of the kook fringe of Republican Party.

Now go back and look at all the threads on alt.sailing.asa
and see who is using the profanity the most often. And in
cases where flames go back and forth--who starts the
vile language. It is clear to me that the liberal kooks are
the ones with no tolerance for discussion.

You, Joe. You're the one who took a random news story about vandals
and labeling it as the act of "liberals." This is about as profane as
it gets. Your hatred fills your every post. If you claim to be a
spokesperson for the conservatives, then you're claiming that they are
all as filled with hatred as you are.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
big snip

You, Joe. You're the one who took a random news story about vandals
and labeling it as the act of "liberals." This is about as profane as
it gets. Your hatred fills your every post. If you claim to be a
spokesperson for the conservatives, then you're claiming that they are
all as filled with hatred as you are.

No, what's profane is liberals like you claiming your vice is a
conservative trait. It's simply not so. Liberals have certain beliefs.
They believe in socialism. They hate the military. They think talking
and diplomacy is the solution to any problem. They don't believe in
capitalism. They loathe big business, big oil, big military, big
anything other than big government. They love big government and higher
taxes. They believe in a free ride. They believe in the power of a
ruling elite. They believe in a malleable Constitution. They believe in
protest, both peaceful and violent and they believe in demonstrations of
the same kind that disrupt and damage. Anybody who says liberals don't
desecrate the graves of fallen soldiers and conservatives do simply
refuses to believe reality.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...

Every reputable scientist knows that we are the prime contributors to
global
warming. If you know anything about the subject, claiming that because
it's
warmer or colder in a specific spot, you would know that's a fallacious
argument.

--
"j" ganz

Wrong Jon. The Sun is a million times more massive than the earth.
It is well proven that tiny fluxuation in its output directly effect
weather on earth.

When lies are repeated often enough people like you
will believe them like religion without question.

Use your head and think about it. Do some research
in SUN OUTPUT WEATHER

I Googled that just now and found this:

How can you doubt the Sun is the most significant
factor?

Because he wants to. GW is his religion now. You shouldn't mess with one's
religion, Bart.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

Like fear-mongering, angry assholes like Cheney?

How come Halliburton, Bush, or Karl Rove didn't make it into that
sentence?

Every reputable scientist knows that we are the prime contributors to
global warming.

I'll ask again: are all the scientists who dispute your claim
disreputable? Fact is, there are at least as many against as for in this
issue.

Have you read Michael Crichton's book, "State of Fear?" I'm sure you
won't, because you have no time for the opposing side, but it is rife with
hard evidence, all references provided and the original papers easily
accessible by anyone, that dispute the claims of the GW evangelista. Do
yourself a favor and begin to examine both sides of the issue, Jon. I
did, and I came to one glaring conclusion: neither side has definitive
evidence that the human race is the "prime contributor" to GW.

Max



So, according to you, there's no definitive evidence. Ok. So, I guess we
should just keep pumping tons of pollution into the air and water and take a
wait and see approach... according to you of course. I think I'll do what I
can to not pollute.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart" wrote in message
ups.com...

Every reputable scientist knows that we are the prime contributors to
global
warming. If you know anything about the subject, claiming that because
it's
warmer or colder in a specific spot, you would know that's a fallacious
argument.

--
"j" ganz

Wrong Jon. The Sun is a million times more massive than the earth.
It is well proven that tiny fluxuation in its output directly effect
weather on earth.



So the Sun is responsible for the hellatious increase in CO2 in the
atmosphere... ok.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Bart wrote, On 5/29/2007 10:50 PM:
On May 29, 8:26 pm, Jeff wrote:
It is a good assumption--the labeling of Veterans
as criminals is the common view of the liberals.
Common view of liberals? You have so much hate in you Bart, you need
a long vacation. seriously.

No hate in me Jeff. If you want hate, look to kook liberals
like Swabby with his vile language.

Frankly, I see far, far more hate coming from the conservatives than from
the liberals.


I just stated I'm glad the liberals are kooks. It makes
their viewpoint less credible.

Who do you think has been calling the Conservcatives
Nazi's.

Frankly, I don't like the use of the term; I think it should be reserved
for the true Nazis, so that we never forget who they were and what they
did.

However, there have been lots of cases where conservatives truly do
support the the Nazis and are worthy of the epithet. For example, recall
that Buchanan pushed Regan into giving the speech at Bitburg, and even
wrote the line about how SS troops were just victims. Even Rudi Giuliani
called him a Nazi when he tried to block the extradition of a
concentration camp guard.

And we shouldn't forget that a primary attribute of Nazis is that they
excluded anyone they didn't like from their society. Jews, Gypsies, Gays,
intellectuals and other groups were considered not worthy of being
Germans. Whenever I hear hate rhetoric, almost always from conservatives,
about how some people or group is "anti-American" or "not worthy of being
an American" the parallel to Nazi rhetoric is clear. The most obvious
case is the anti-gay rhetoric of the far right, which could have been
taken verbatim from Naxi literature.

Who regularly bash the military and those who serve?

I live in a hotbed of East Coast Liberalism, in fact I lived and/or worked
in Cambridge for most of my life, and I never once heard a grownup "bash"
anyone who served in the military (other than a general or two). This is
purely a fantasy of your sick imagination. The acts of a few kids does
not represent the feeling of half the country.

It is true that liberals bash the politicians who send kids off to die in
pointless wars. BTW, how many of the administration neo-cons ever served
in the real military? How many even remembered to show up at their
reserve meetings?

Do you remember Vietnam and how Veterans were treated?

Again, the misguided acts of a handful of kids 40 years ago. Get over it!

All because a traitor like Hanoi Jane convinced many people
our solders were baby killers.

Are your really going to tell us you don't feel hatred for Jane?

The pattern is repeated over and over again. Angry Kook
liberals trying to inflame a small minority. They are angry
that there is a silent majority with enough common sense
to ignore their thoughtless viewpoint.


The pattern is repeated over and over again. Angry Kook
conservatives trying to inflame a small minority. They are angry
that there is a silent majority with enough common sense
to ignore their thoughtless viewpoint.

Nazi propaganda minster, Goebbles said that if you repeat
a lie often enough, people will start to believe it. This seems
to be the creedo of the kook fringe of Democratic Party.

Nazi propaganda minster, Goebbles said that if you repeat
a lie often enough, people will start to believe it. This seems
to be the creedo of the kook fringe of Republican Party.

Now go back and look at all the threads on alt.sailing.asa
and see who is using the profanity the most often. And in
cases where flames go back and forth--who starts the
vile language. It is clear to me that the liberal kooks are
the ones with no tolerance for discussion.

You, Joe. You're the one who took a random news story about vandals and
labeling it as the act of "liberals." This is about as profane as it
gets. Your hatred fills your every post. If you claim to be a
spokesperson for the conservatives, then you're claiming that they are all
as filled with hatred as you are.



Far, far more. They're very good at... that and generating fear.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On May 30, 7:31 pm, Jeff wrote:
* Bart wrote, On 5/29/2007 10:50 PM:

On May 29, 8:26 pm, Jeff wrote:
It is a good assumption--the labeling of Veterans
as criminals is the common view of the liberals.
Common view of liberals? You have so much hate in you Bart, you need
a long vacation. seriously.

No hate in me Jeff. If you want hate, look to kook liberals
like Swabby with his vile language.

Frankly, I see far, far more hate coming from the conservatives than
from the liberals.



I just stated I'm glad the liberals are kooks. It makes
their viewpoint less credible.

Who do you think has been calling the Conservcatives
Nazi's.

Frankly, I don't like the use of the term; I think it should be
reserved for the true Nazis, so that we never forget who they were and
what they did.

However, there have been lots of cases where conservatives truly do
support the the Nazis and are worthy of the epithet. For example,
recall that Buchanan pushed Regan into giving the speech at Bitburg,
and even wrote the line about how SS troops were just victims. Even
Rudi Giuliani called him a Nazi when he tried to block the extradition
of a concentration camp guard.

And we shouldn't forget that a primary attribute of Nazis is that they
excluded anyone they didn't like from their society. Jews, Gypsies,
Gays, intellectuals and other groups were considered not worthy of
being Germans. Whenever I hear hate rhetoric, almost always from
conservatives, about how some people or group is "anti-American" or
"not worthy of being an American" the parallel to Nazi rhetoric is
clear. The most obvious case is the anti-gay rhetoric of the far
right, which could have been taken verbatim from Naxi literature.

Who regularly bash the military and those who serve?

I live in a hotbed of East Coast Liberalism, in fact I lived and/or
worked in Cambridge for most of my life, and I never once heard a
grownup "bash" anyone who served in the military (other than a general
or two). This is purely a fantasy of your sick imagination. The acts
of a few kids does not represent the feeling of half the country.

It is true that liberals bash the politicians who send kids off to die
in pointless wars. BTW, how many of the administration neo-cons ever
served in the real military? How many even remembered to show up at
their reserve meetings?

Do you remember Vietnam and how Veterans were treated?

Again, the misguided acts of a handful of kids 40 years ago. Get over it!

All because a traitor like Hanoi Jane convinced many people
our solders were baby killers.

Are your really going to tell us you don't feel hatred for Jane?

The pattern is repeated over and over again. Angry Kook
liberals trying to inflame a small minority. They are angry
that there is a silent majority with enough common sense
to ignore their thoughtless viewpoint.

The pattern is repeated over and over again. Angry Kook
conservatives trying to inflame a small minority. They are angry
that there is a silent majority with enough common sense
to ignore their thoughtless viewpoint.

Nazi propaganda minster, Goebbles said that if you repeat
a lie often enough, people will start to believe it. This seems
to be the creedo of the kook fringe of Democratic Party.

Nazi propaganda minster, Goebbles said that if you repeat
a lie often enough, people will start to believe it. This seems
to be the creedo of the kook fringe of Republican Party.

Now go back and look at all the threads on alt.sailing.asa
and see who is using the profanity the most often. And in
cases where flames go back and forth--who starts the
vile language. It is clear to me that the liberal kooks are
the ones with no tolerance for discussion.

You, Joe. You're the one who took a random news story about vandals
and labeling it as the act of "liberals." This is about as profane as
it gets. Your hatred fills your every post. If you claim to be a
spokesperson for the conservatives, then you're claiming that they are
all as filled with hatred as you are.

Hey Jeff who the f*%k are you talking too? What are you so full of
hatred?

I never said liberals are vandels, they are stupid jerks that can't
read who posted this crap but not vandels in general.

Joe

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...

Like fear-mongering, angry assholes like Cheney?

How come Halliburton, Bush, or Karl Rove didn't make it into that
sentence?

Every reputable scientist knows that we are the prime contributors to
global warming.

I'll ask again: are all the scientists who dispute your claim
disreputable? Fact is, there are at least as many against as for in this
issue.

Have you read Michael Crichton's book, "State of Fear?" I'm sure you
won't, because you have no time for the opposing side, but it is rife
with hard evidence, all references provided and the original papers
easily accessible by anyone, that dispute the claims of the GW
evangelista. Do yourself a favor and begin to examine both sides of the
issue, Jon. I did, and I came to one glaring conclusion: neither side
has definitive evidence that the human race is the "prime contributor" to
GW.

Max



So, according to you, there's no definitive evidence. Ok. So, I guess we
should just keep pumping tons of pollution into the air and water and take
a wait and see approach... according to you of course. I think I'll do
what I can to not pollute.

You obviously haven't read my posts very well. As for definitive evidence,
there is evidence on both sides, but neither is definitive. The smartest
people in the scientific community aren't jumping on either bandwagon,
simply because the issue is *not* definitive. You choose only to believe
what you wish to believe, not what is necessarily the truth. Your
objectivity has been replaced with evangelistic zeal for a bogus cause.

If you'd actually read my posts in the other thread, you'd know that I'm a
bit miffed at the GW folks for distracting from the real issues of global
pollution. GW caused by humans is likely minor at best, but since all the
rhetoric is now given to it, the issues of pollution have been swept aside.
While you GW fanatics are waving the co2 flag and getting all the lipservice
of the various media, the planet is up to its ears in refuse, polluted water
and air, and landfills. There is an estimated 50 billion metric tons of
refuse and garbage being dumped in the world's oceans annually, and you guys
are crowing about something that most likely will be laughed at 20 years
from now. Time will likely prove Al Gore and his minions to be buffoons at
best, and idiots who farted around while the planet was destroyed at worst.

Max