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![]() Lily-Livered Democrats Lose Game of Chicken Wednesday, May 23, 2007 By Susan Estrich Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, calls the language "extremely weak." Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, says she is "not likely to vote for [it]." MoveOn.org sent an e-mail Wednesday morning to its 3 million-plus members demanding that Democrats vote no: "Every single Democrat must vote against this bill. This is a key test vote on whether your representative is serious about ending the war." The bill is the current version of the Iraq spending bill, which many Democrats, let alone those of us who voted for them, believed should include a timetable for withdrawal of the troops. It doesn't. Oh yes, there is some mush-headed language written by the Republicans that creates 18 "benchmarks" for political and legislative change in Iraq, and asks the president to report on progress beginning in late July. After all, why rush when things are going so well? And if the Iraqis fail to meet the benchmarks, what happens? How about nothing? Theoretically, the Iraqis could lose their "right" to reconstruction aid, which isn't working anyway, and which obviously is irrelevant to bringing the troops home. And under the terms of the deal, the president is free to waive the benchmarks anyway, which means that the language might as well be sent over on toilet paper so it won't clog the plumbing when the president flushes it. Who made this deal? Who do you think? The Democrats who were elected to end the war did, because they were afraid to take on the President in a real showdown. Nancy Pelosi may vote against it, but she was in the room. Harry Reid can recognize b.s. when he sees it, but claims it was the best they could do. If this is the best they can do, what are they doing there? The Democrats' excuse is that the president would have vetoed any bill that included a timetable for bringing home our soldiers, something he's done once already, and that they didn't have the votes to override his veto. And without a spending bill, the Democrats were afraid they would be blamed for not "supporting the troops," which is the third rail in Washington conventional wisdom about politics. Now, I could make the case that you don't support the troops by leaving them with a bull's-eye on their backs and no plan to bring them home; that the Democrats are still refighting the Vietnam War, petrified of the "weak" label, even though the truth is that we were right about that war, just as we are about this one; and that strength comes from standing up for what you believe in, not caving in to cover your rear end. I could even make the case that had it not been for the war, the Democrats would never have gotten control of Congress, and that there's no point to having a Democratic speaker if she's cutting deals that she herself can't support, but expects others to held their noses and vote for. I might also point out that the reason that Congress has sunk below the even the president in terms of public approval (although still above Dick Cheney, who is almost down to his immediate family) is because of the correct perception that they aren't doing what they were sent to Washington to accomplish. Indeed, in the talking points sent out Wednesday by the Democratic leadership to "Democratic talkers," the official spinmeisters claim that "Democrats are forcing President Bush to finally accept accountability for this war. As we continue our fight to fully fund the troops and change course in Iraq to make America more secure, we refuse to give the President a blank check." In other words, they know what they're supposed to do; the problem is that they aren't doing it. Instead, in what the Washington Post has correctly described as a "victory for President Bush," the Democrats "relent[ed] on [the] pullout timetable," and gave the Republicans what they wanted. When you're playing chicken, the coward always loses. |
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ups.com... Lily-Livered Democrats Lose Game of Chicken Wednesday, May 23, 2007 By Susan Estrich Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, calls the language "extremely weak." Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, says she is "not likely to vote for [it]." MoveOn.org sent an e-mail Wednesday morning to its 3 million-plus members demanding that Democrats vote no: "Every single Democrat must vote against this bill. This is a key test vote on whether your representative is serious about ending the war." The bill is the current version of the Iraq spending bill, which many Democrats, let alone those of us who voted for them, believed should include a timetable for withdrawal of the troops. It doesn't. Oh yes, there is some mush-headed language written by the Republicans that creates 18 "benchmarks" for political and legislative change in Iraq, and asks the president to report on progress beginning in late July. After all, why rush when things are going so well? And if the Iraqis fail to meet the benchmarks, what happens? How about nothing? Theoretically, the Iraqis could lose their "right" to reconstruction aid, which isn't working anyway, and which obviously is irrelevant to bringing the troops home. And under the terms of the deal, the president is free to waive the benchmarks anyway, which means that the language might as well be sent over on toilet paper so it won't clog the plumbing when the president flushes it. Who made this deal? Who do you think? The Democrats who were elected to end the war did, because they were afraid to take on the President in a real showdown. Nancy Pelosi may vote against it, but she was in the room. Harry Reid can recognize b.s. when he sees it, but claims it was the best they could do. If this is the best they can do, what are they doing there? The Democrats' excuse is that the president would have vetoed any bill that included a timetable for bringing home our soldiers, something he's done once already, and that they didn't have the votes to override his veto. And without a spending bill, the Democrats were afraid they would be blamed for not "supporting the troops," which is the third rail in Washington conventional wisdom about politics. Now, I could make the case that you don't support the troops by leaving them with a bull's-eye on their backs and no plan to bring them home; that the Democrats are still refighting the Vietnam War, petrified of the "weak" label, even though the truth is that we were right about that war, just as we are about this one; and that strength comes from standing up for what you believe in, not caving in to cover your rear end. I could even make the case that had it not been for the war, the Democrats would never have gotten control of Congress, and that there's no point to having a Democratic speaker if she's cutting deals that she herself can't support, but expects others to held their noses and vote for. I might also point out that the reason that Congress has sunk below the even the president in terms of public approval (although still above Dick Cheney, who is almost down to his immediate family) is because of the correct perception that they aren't doing what they were sent to Washington to accomplish. Indeed, in the talking points sent out Wednesday by the Democratic leadership to "Democratic talkers," the official spinmeisters claim that "Democrats are forcing President Bush to finally accept accountability for this war. As we continue our fight to fully fund the troops and change course in Iraq to make America more secure, we refuse to give the President a blank check." In other words, they know what they're supposed to do; the problem is that they aren't doing it. Instead, in what the Washington Post has correctly described as a "victory for President Bush," the Democrats "relent[ed] on [the] pullout timetable," and gave the Republicans what they wanted. When you're playing chicken, the coward always loses. I'm very upset by this as well. The people elected the new Congress to, in part, end this ill-conceived war. They are not doing it. I think they're spineless. Saying there better than the Republican assholes is becoming tough to continue to believe. We, as a nation, are not in a good spot... ****heels in charge in the White House... wimps in charge in Congress. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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![]() "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I'm very upset by this as well. The people elected the new Congress to, in part, end this ill-conceived war. They are not doing it. I think they're spineless. Saying there better than the Republican assholes is becoming tough to continue to believe. We, as a nation, are not in a good spot... ****heels in charge in the White House... wimps in charge in Congress. Impeach them all, I say! Max |
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![]() "Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I'm very upset by this as well. The people elected the new Congress to, in part, end this ill-conceived war. They are not doing it. I think they're spineless. Saying there better than the Republican assholes is becoming tough to continue to believe. We, as a nation, are not in a good spot... ****heels in charge in the White House... wimps in charge in Congress. Impeach them all, I say! Max Way too little, way too late. We are doomed, for sure. |
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Looks like the surrender monkeys surrendered on their way to surrendering.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate for them to wrap themselves in a white flag rather than American? No laws of their first 100 hours passed either. Many voted for change and sure enough they got. Instead of having a political party ruining the country through intent, we now have one ruining the country through incompetence. Glory! |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
Instead of having a political party ruining the country through intent, we now have one ruining the country through incompetence. Ah, so nothing has changed, situation normal, ruining the country one way or the other. Does it matter what means are used? Cheers Marty |
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On May 24, 9:59 am, "Bob Crantz" wrote:
Looks like the surrender monkeys surrendered on their way to surrendering. Wouldn't it be more appropriate for them to wrap themselves in a white flag rather than American? No laws of their first 100 hours passed either. Many voted for change and sure enough they got. Instead of having a political party ruining the country through intent, we now have one ruining the country through incompetence. Glory! Didn't anyone notice that all the new Democrats in Congress were all very conservative in their platforms? Supporting things like gun ownership? And they want to stay in Congress so they vote to stay elected. |
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