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Was the wind created
Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe |
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On 22 May 07, Joe wrote:
Was the wind created Yup Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Nope Is the wind eternal? Nope. But it should last as long as our Sun and atmosphere hold out. And a heck of a lot longer than diesel fuel. Joe Rick |
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Joe wrote:
Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? |
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 10:45:06 -0400, katy said: What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? "Earth Science?" When I went to high school, there were courses called biology, chemistry, physics. And yes, somewhere along the line we learned about wind and weather. But there was nothing called "earth science." What's this some PC creation designed to satisfy the enviros? Must depend on where you were raised...I took Earth Science in 1966 ....I further took ...my kids took Earth Science in the early 80's...my husband qas qualified to teach the subject in 1970...so it's hardly a new thing....some schools taught Physical SAcience which was a watered down course composed mostly of small mechanics and minor physical properties..some taught Earth Science..some taught both with the mephasis for the college track being the Earth Science..it is the study of the geophysical properties of the planet plus some astornomy...has nothing to do with PC anything since what you are studying is mostly aeons old...Earth Science is a compendium of paleontology, geology, meteorology, oceanography and astronomy...it studies rock and mineral identification, the scienctific process, water systems, etc. Since we do live on this earth, it is important to know something about it. Sorry tyour school was so deficient. SOme places also call it Physical Geography as opposed to cutural Geography, which is not a science but a social study. |
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On 22 May 2007 07:03:48 -0700, Joe wrote:
Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? It's Geostrophic in Wales. God made the Coriolis force. Amen! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostrophic_wind |
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:20:33 -0400, katy said: Sorry tyour school was so deficient. Hmm. From your description, it sounds like some kind of science for dummies--the ones who couldn't hack chemistry or physics. It's a freshman course...before you take Bilology, Chemistry and Ohysics and is required subject in many states....you ahve a problem with learning about the earth? Is it any more or less valid than taking Biology? As a sailor, I am very surprised at your remarks. One of the labs the kids like most is using the wave table to generate different wave patterns to see the erosion efect and effect on floating bodies ( as in matter)...SO where did you learn about karst topography? Or volcanixc systems or tectonic plates? In 9thgrade what did you know about earthquakes or their origins or the epochs of the earth? From your attitude, not much. |
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On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote:
Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********. |
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* Joe wrote, On 5/22/2007 10:03 AM:
Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Maybe you should change your diet. |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe The "god" behind the universe is so complex that perfection is defined by entropy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message roups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********. Neal is case in point. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:55 -0400, katy said: In 9thgrade what did you know about earthquakes or their origins or the epochs of the earth? It's been a long time, Katy, but IIRC the school system I was in didn't put off such things until the 9th grade. They covered it earlier in something called "science." You learned mineral classification, how to read seismic charts, determine barometric pressure and dewpoint, and read topographical maps in grade school? My, you must have been in the Yale Prep school....I went to a very good parochial school during grade school and while those topics may have been mentioned or glossed over, they were not actively studied...and I think that, for the most, aprt, that is true all over...too bad Tad pole isn;'t here to take you to task... |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The "god" behind the universe is so complex that perfection is defined by entropy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Is that you or the LSD speaking? |
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On 22 May 2007 07:03:48 -0700, Joe wrote
this crap: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Political speeches. Is the wind eternal? Check the Congressional Record. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry
and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. |
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:34:34 -0400, katy said: My, you must have been in the Yale Prep school. Actually, I attended a public school in a state where the public school students do better academically than private school students. The public schools may have slipped a bit from my day, but I see they are still the #1 state in the nation in the proportion of students who get a score high enough to earn college credit on an Advanced Placement (AP) Science exam. This is from the New York State Department of Education...current...: http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/osa/hssci.html |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and chemistry. In fact, real colleges: http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science". "Earth Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the only job you can get with that degree. Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this way, if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely be in earth science. |
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* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/22/2007 9:54 PM:
"katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and chemistry. In fact, real colleges: http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science". "Earth Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the only job you can get with that degree. Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this way, if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely be in earth science. I don't think they're "light" on the science he http://eapsweb.mit.edu/ |
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Horvath wrote:
On 22 May 2007 07:03:48 -0700, Joe wrote this crap: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Political speeches. Is the wind eternal? Check the Congressional Record. This post is 100% free of steroids Good Lord...where did you reasurrect from? |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and chemistry. In fact, real colleges: http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science". "Earth Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the only job you can get with that degree. Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this way, if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely be in earth science. Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS in that with an earth scienceandphysics minors)...and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about... |
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Jeff wrote:
* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/22/2007 9:54 PM: "katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and chemistry. In fact, real colleges: http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science". "Earth Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the only job you can get with that degree. Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this way, if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely be in earth science. I don't think they're "light" on the science he http://eapsweb.mit.edu/ or he http://eesc.columbia.edu/ or for that matter...William and Mary in Williamsburg and many, many more.... |
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On May 22, 9:38 pm, katy wrote:
Horvath wrote: On 22 May 2007 07:03:48 -0700, Joe wrote this crap: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Political speeches. Is the wind eternal? Check the Congressional Record. This post is 100% free of steroids Good Lord...where did you reasurrect from?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No doubt..Rumor was he was dead...Suicide in Panama City. Joe |
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On May 22, 10:15 pm, Joe wrote:
On May 22, 9:38 pm, katy wrote: Horvath wrote: On 22 May 2007 07:03:48 -0700, Joe wrote this crap: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Political speeches. Is the wind eternal? Check the Congressional Record. This post is 100% free of steroids Good Lord...where did you reasurrect from?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No doubt..Rumor was he was dead...Suicide in Panama City. Joe- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never mind...that was Hoosheen not Horvath. Joe |
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On May 22, 1:49 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On May 22, 1:49 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck. Joe I'd rather be lucky than good. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On May 22, 10:32 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 1:49 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck. Joe I'd rather be lucky than good. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd rather be good than lucky. What you say IMO is insane. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... On May 22, 10:32 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 1:49 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck. Joe I'd rather be lucky than good. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd rather be good than lucky. What you say IMO is insane. Joe Joe, it's an old saying.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: * Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/22/2007 9:54 PM: "katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and chemistry. In fact, real colleges: http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science". "Earth Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the only job you can get with that degree. Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this way, if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely be in earth science. I don't think they're "light" on the science he http://eapsweb.mit.edu/ or he http://eesc.columbia.edu/ or for that matter...William and Mary in Williamsburg and many, many more.... Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already said. |
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" Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS in that with an earth scienceandphysics minors).. So most of the people teaching "earth science" have specialized in a narrow field of earth science or something else and are teaching the broader field of "earth science" in high schools. How does this contradict anything I've said? I'll say it again: A degree program in earth science is light on science. SUNY has shown only two courses each of physics, chemistry and math with biology optional to get a BS in Earth Science. Real colleges such as MIT, Colorado School of Mines (the world's foremeost college on mineral engineering) and others do not even offer a BS in Earth Science. .and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about... What in that Wiki quote is incorrect? Could you be so kind to point it out? I could use the same tactic as you and say you don't have any degrees in science and therefore you are not credible. But since we're discussing the facts and issues and how they stand on their own, rather than who said them or the source, I'd love to learn what was incorrect in the Wiki quote. Please tell. It gets even better he BA in Earth Science: http://www.earth.uni.edu/es_nonteach.html They even have an interpretive trail guide specialty! So they all don't go on to the classroom, some go on to clean the pit toilets. I guess the BA in Earth Science is even lighter on science and math. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm "A bachelor's degree is adequate for a few entry-level positions" http://www.earthscienceworld.org/car.../faqs.html#2.3 2.3 How much education do I need? Can I get a job with a bachelor's degree? "Usually a master's degree is required for major professional entry-level positions. As in any profession, the best jobs go to the best qualified applicants. Students contemplating a professional career in the geosciences should consider getting an advanced degree. A Ph.D. is needed for advancement in college teaching and in most higher-level research positions." Show me the physics! Show me the math! Show me the chemistry! Show me the biology! http://www.ucmo.edu/majors/4yearplan.cfm?ftd=45 Moooo-hoooo-hooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!! It's no wonder the issue of "Global Warming" is such a circus. |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
" Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS in that with an earth scienceandphysics minors).. So most of the people teaching "earth science" have specialized in a narrow field of earth science or something else and are teaching the broader field of "earth science" in high schools. How does this contradict anything I've said? I'll say it again: A degree program in earth science is light on science. SUNY has shown only two courses each of physics, chemistry and math with biology optional to get a BS in Earth Science. Real colleges such as MIT, Colorado School of Mines (the world's foremeost college on mineral engineering) and others do not even offer a BS in Earth Science. .and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about... What in that Wiki quote is incorrect? Could you be so kind to point it out? I could use the same tactic as you and say you don't have any degrees in science and therefore you are not credible. But since we're discussing the facts and issues and how they stand on their own, rather than who said them or the source, I'd love to learn what was incorrect in the Wiki quote. Please tell. It gets even better he BA in Earth Science: http://www.earth.uni.edu/es_nonteach.html They even have an interpretive trail guide specialty! So they all don't go on to the classroom, some go on to clean the pit toilets. I guess the BA in Earth Science is even lighter on science and math. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm "A bachelor's degree is adequate for a few entry-level positions" http://www.earthscienceworld.org/car.../faqs.html#2.3 2.3 How much education do I need? Can I get a job with a bachelor's degree? "Usually a master's degree is required for major professional entry-level positions. As in any profession, the best jobs go to the best qualified applicants. Students contemplating a professional career in the geosciences should consider getting an advanced degree. A Ph.D. is needed for advancement in college teaching and in most higher-level research positions." Show me the physics! Show me the math! Show me the chemistry! Show me the biology! http://www.ucmo.edu/majors/4yearplan.cfm?ftd=45 Moooo-hoooo-hooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!! It's no wonder the issue of "Global Warming" is such a circus. Ya know...you're beginning to sound like a psycjopath pendant...we alrady know that there is no one on the face of the earth who knows more or has experinced mroe than you..so I'll bow out of this discussion now since it's obvious thjat the rest of us lowly creatures can 't compete with your opinions... you were much nicer when you were on meds... |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On 22 May 2007 20:39:13 -0700, Joe wrote: On May 22, 10:32 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 1:49 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:35:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On May 22, 9:45 am, katy wrote: Joe wrote: Was the wind created Did the wind create itself out of nothing? Is the wind eternal? Joe What? You didn't take Earth Science in high school? Yes I did, one of my favorite subjects. I fully understand the dynamics of wind. Let me re-phrase the question for you Katy. Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe I also believe in a Supreme Being who created all things. I also call Him God or Father. Any sane person cannot think the entire universe just came into existence by accident or something. Even mundane things like people, take Katy and Ganz, for example, prove there is a God. There's good and there's evil. The aforementioned are an example of the latter. God has also prepared a place for them but not in Heaven. People like Bobsplat and Bitty Bill are examples of another manifestation of evil which is called arrogance. Such as these are forsaken by the Lord. They will receive eternal punishment for their folly in the same place where Katy and Ganz will suffer for all eternity. Just punishment for their rejecting the Lord. Wilbur Hubbard The notion of God is a load of ********.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck. Joe I'd rather be lucky than good. -- "j" ganz - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd rather be good than lucky. Joe In your case, you should jump on whichever you are offered. In your case you've had to get used to being neither. Max |
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"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... Did all of the dynamics that need to be in place to make winds just appear one day on it's own with design or fore thought, or did it require some creation? An intelligent design? And since we know the dynamics of wind are produced by the variations of temp on the earth we have to assume the earth and the universe are included in the basics formulations to answering the questions. Albert Einstein acknowledges that the mind behind the universe is a "superintelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." and yet people like Rob do not accept a higher intelligent or creator of all including the wind. He thinks he is superior to all, he thinks he created life. Joe The best answer can be attributed to the real Cyrano de Bergerac http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=003...3E2.0.CO%3B2-0 People would ask why doesn't x happen or why doesn't y happen, all used to confirm the existence of a grand creator. His reply was simply, "How could it be anything else?". Most of the wind is caused by relative motion due to the earth's rotation. Why does the jetstream flow against the earth's rotation? With sunrise heating and the like it should flow in the other direction. Think about it. Why do ocean currents flow against the earth's rotation at the equator (where the tangential velocity of rotation is the greatest) but not at the latitude extremes? Go ask an earth "scientist". They'll tell you it all comes from pressure, temperature, hairspray, SUV's etc. Ask a physicist, they'll tell you it all comes from the earth's rotation. Why do hurricanes rotate in a particular direction? If the earth turned in the other direction would hurricanes reverse rotation? The major cause of sea level changes is the moon, the second major cause is the sun. Earth scientists will tell you it is "global warming" - ie driving SUV's! |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: " Pah...most people that teach Earth Science have majors in otehr firlds related to the study such as Geology, Paleontology (Mr. Sail's has a BS in that with an earth scienceandphysics minors).. So most of the people teaching "earth science" have specialized in a narrow field of earth science or something else and are teaching the broader field of "earth science" in high schools. How does this contradict anything I've said? I'll say it again: A degree program in earth science is light on science. SUNY has shown only two courses each of physics, chemistry and math with biology optional to get a BS in Earth Science. Real colleges such as MIT, Colorado School of Mines (the world's foremeost college on mineral engineering) and others do not even offer a BS in Earth Science. .and you're quoting for a wiki???bwahahahahaa...negates any type of point you were trying to make...you don't know what you're talking about... What in that Wiki quote is incorrect? Could you be so kind to point it out? I could use the same tactic as you and say you don't have any degrees in science and therefore you are not credible. But since we're discussing the facts and issues and how they stand on their own, rather than who said them or the source, I'd love to learn what was incorrect in the Wiki quote. Please tell. It gets even better he BA in Earth Science: http://www.earth.uni.edu/es_nonteach.html They even have an interpretive trail guide specialty! So they all don't go on to the classroom, some go on to clean the pit toilets. I guess the BA in Earth Science is even lighter on science and math. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos050.htm "A bachelor's degree is adequate for a few entry-level positions" http://www.earthscienceworld.org/car.../faqs.html#2.3 2.3 How much education do I need? Can I get a job with a bachelor's degree? "Usually a master's degree is required for major professional entry-level positions. As in any profession, the best jobs go to the best qualified applicants. Students contemplating a professional career in the geosciences should consider getting an advanced degree. A Ph.D. is needed for advancement in college teaching and in most higher-level research positions." Show me the physics! Show me the math! Show me the chemistry! Show me the biology! http://www.ucmo.edu/majors/4yearplan.cfm?ftd=45 Moooo-hoooo-hooo-haaaa-haaaa!!!!!!!!!! It's no wonder the issue of "Global Warming" is such a circus. Ya know...you're beginning to sound like a psycjopath pendant...we alrady know that there is no one on the face of the earth who knows more or has experinced mroe than you..so I'll bow out of this discussion now since it's obvious thjat the rest of us lowly creatures can 't compete with your opinions... you were much nicer when you were on meds... Very little of my opinion has been introduced in this entire thread. Everything I said was backed up with fact, references to several universities and the federal gov't. My thesis is that Earth Science majors are light on science. I supported that argument with curricula and requirements for employment. I did not introduce the "bwahahaa" into to thread or attack any sources. I just kept building my case on fact. As far as me knowing more than everyone else on the face of the earth or having more experience, how could you possibly draw that conclusion based upon what I have said about Earth Science majors? Dave was the one to originally assert what I maintained and showed to a good degree with external references. Now does he know more than everyone else too? Is he so experienced? I never claimed to have any special knowledge in this discussion nor did I engage in any personal attacks or snide comments ( the pit toilet cleaning is a real duty of the job position mentioned). However, further up in this thread one finds: On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:20:33 -0400, katy said: Sorry tyour school was so deficient. Hmm. From your description, it sounds like some kind of science for dummies--the ones who couldn't hack chemistry or physics. It's a freshman course...before you take Bilology, Chemistry and Ohysics and is required subject in many states....you ahve a problem with learning about the earth? Is it any more or less valid than taking Biology? As a sailor, I am very surprised at your remarks. One of the labs the kids like most is using the wave table to generate different wave patterns to see the erosion efect and effect on floating bodies ( as in matter)...SO where did you learn about karst topography? Or volcanixc systems or tectonic plates? In 9thgrade what did you know about earthquakes or their origins or the epochs of the earth? From your attitude, not much." Need I say more? If your feelings are hurt, I truly apologize. My point was simply to offer up that "Earth Scientists" may have less science education than engineers, computer engineers and other "non-science" majors. I believe it is important for others to know this because these very "Scientists" are predicting/echoing global warming/cooling/warming/cooling/disaster/doom and are affecting the very lives, livelihoods, educations, social structure based solely upon their credential as "Scientist". Amen! BC |
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ... Most of the wind is caused by relative motion due to the earth's rotation. Why does the jetstream flow against the earth's rotation? With sunrise heating and the like it should flow in the other direction. Think about it. Why do ocean currents flow against the earth's rotation at the equator (where the tangential velocity of rotation is the greatest) but not at the latitude extremes? Go ask an earth "scientist". They'll tell you it all comes from pressure, temperature, hairspray, SUV's etc. Ask a physicist, they'll tell you it all comes from the earth's rotation. Why do hurricanes rotate in a particular direction? If the earth turned in the other direction would hurricanes reverse rotation? The major cause of sea level changes is the moon, the second major cause is the sun. Earth scientists will tell you it is "global warming" - ie driving SUV's! http://www.srh.weather.gov/srh/jetstream/global/jet.htm |
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* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/23/2007 9:07 AM:
"katy" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: * Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/22/2007 9:54 PM: "katy" wrote in message ... Bob Crantz wrote: Earth science is not a basic science. It is based upon physics, chemistry and biology. In my high skool days those of lesser talents took earth science. One could not master earth science without mastering physics, chemistry and biology. Ever wonder why there is such great debate over global warming? But yet not much argument over Stokes Theorem? Anyone and everyone can be an earth scientist, just ask Al Gore. Earth science in high school is a basic regurgitation of complex principles that may not even be understood by experts in the field. When one throws in the mathematical skills required to correctly model earth systems I doubt there are even 1000 people worldwide extremely competent in the field. You're full of carboniferous e coli infested waste material... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_science http://www.albany.edu/geosciences/geolesbs.html A BS in Engineering requires over double the math, physics and chemistry. In fact, real colleges: http://www.mines.edu/index_js.shtml won't even consider offering a course of study in "earth science". "Earth Science" is a degree used for teaching science in schools. That's the only job you can get with that degree. Earth science is a bit light on the "science" part. Let's put it this way, if RB ever managed to get a science related degree, it would most likely be in earth science. I don't think they're "light" on the science he http://eapsweb.mit.edu/ or he http://eesc.columbia.edu/ or for that matter...William and Mary in Williamsburg and many, many more.... Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already said. Of course it does. Here's the link: http://eapsweb.mit.edu/education/und...jor/index.html You can concentrate in Geoscience, Environmental, Weather, or Planetary. In addition, you can major in other areas and minor in these fields. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already said. Of course it does. Here's the link: http://eapsweb.mit.edu/education/und...jor/index.html You can concentrate in Geoscience, Environmental, Weather, or Planetary. In addition, you can major in other areas and minor in these fields. Thanks Jeff. I looked but could not find the actual title of the degree offered. Where does it say BSES as in "Bachelor of Science in Earth Science"? As you can see SUNY offers a BSES: http://www.fredonia.edu/department/geosciences/es.asp |
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Joe wrote:
It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck. But more wanting to observe something intricate and attribute it to intelligent design. Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ---- |
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* Bob Crantz wrote, On 5/23/2007 12:00 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Does MIT offer a BS in "earth science"? No. It has the same offerings as Colorado School of Mines. You are merely repeating what I've already said. Of course it does. Here's the link: http://eapsweb.mit.edu/education/und...jor/index.html You can concentrate in Geoscience, Environmental, Weather, or Planetary. In addition, you can major in other areas and minor in these fields. Thanks Jeff. I looked but could not find the actual title of the degree offered. Where does it say BSES as in "Bachelor of Science in Earth Science"? As you can see SUNY offers a BSES: http://www.fredonia.edu/department/geosciences/es.asp I don't know why the exact title is so important to you. However, the the Department of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences in the School of Science offers this degree: Bachelor of Science in Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences |
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