On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.

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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems. While
outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

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Beating off is effective as a solution to behavior
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Oiy!

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Beating off is effective as a solution to behavior
problems.

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Oiy!



Gaynz beats off children? Isn't that against the law?

Wilbur Hubbard

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Beating off is effective as a solution to behavior
problems.

Oiy!





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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went wrong
with you. g

Max

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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right
to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens to
the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party, said
in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make criminals
of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went wrong
with you. g



A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

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On May 16, 7:13 am, "jlrogers" wrote:
New Zealand effectively outlawed smacking children on Wednesday...
"It is about our children and what I believe is their God-given right
to
grow up secure in the love of their family, valued as equal citizens
to the
rest of us and without the constant threat of legalised violence being
used
against them," the law's sponsor, Sue Bradford of the Green Party,
said in
parliament.

The law change, first proposed in 2005, had been strongly opposed by
conservative family and church groups, who said it would make
criminals of
parents.

Opponents held public marches and rallies outside parliament.

Mainstream church groups and child welfare organisations had strongly
supported the change.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/new...acking-of-chil...

What if one good smack at the right time is all that is
needed to straighten out a kid.

This is another example of liberalism at it's worst. Parents
won't stop smacking their kids if they deserve it. And worse
what happens if the kids call the cops. If I was a parent and
they did that, I'd say sure, your take him and support him.




Beating a child is never effective as a solution to behavior problems.
While outlawing it is stupid, the concept of doing it is also stupid.

What do you qualify as "beating a child?" Is a quick swat to the butt
"beating" in your vernacular? If so, I'm beginning to see what went
wrong with you. g



A quick swat on the butt for a baby/toddler might be excessively harsh and
painful. Hitting a child is never a good idea.

Since the definition of "child" encompasses teens, I'd disagree. Both my
mother and father spanked me--Dad with his bare hand, and Mom with one of
Dad's oak fraternity paddles--and it was an effective attitude readjustment
every time. As a result of the spankings I became neither a child-abuser
with my own daughter, nor did I develop any antipathy for my parents. To
the contrary, I gained respect for their word and their rules. I had it
coming.

Benjamin Spock wrote--over 30 years ago--that spanking a child is tantamount
to abuse, and will result in children becoming sociopathic. So America quit
paddling the kids. The net result has been several generations of adults
who cannot or will not accept authority of any form. Many of these adults
are uniformly unsuccessful in their lives.

Max

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Since the definition of "child" encompasses teens, I'd
disagree. Both my
mother and father spanked me--Dad with his bare hand, and
Mom with one of
Dad's oak fraternity paddles--and it was an effective
attitude readjustment
every time. As a result of the spankings I became neither
a child-abuser
with my own daughter, nor did I develop any antipathy for
my parents. To
the contrary, I gained respect for their word and their
rules. I had it
coming.

Benjamin Spock wrote--over 30 years ago--that spanking a
child is tantamount
to abuse, and will result in children becoming
sociopathic. So America quit
paddling the kids. The net result has been several
generations of adults
who cannot or will not accept authority of any form. Many
of these adults
are uniformly unsuccessful in their lives.


'BB Morgan' is a perfect example of this type of failure.

SBV