On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Joe

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On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of
manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Joe


Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

What a guy.

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Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.


the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

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Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.


the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV




So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's post...
the boss' or the workers?

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's post...
the boss' or the workers?

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

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Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe



Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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On May 18, 10:28 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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Well the union people and bean counters had billions to invest and
manage to cover the cost of heathcare ect and did a **** poor job of
it. When you retire you have the option of taking all your stock and
selling it and investing in other forms of retirement. Let's face it,
the days of 20 years with a company and a gold watch retirement party
and lifetime pensions are over. If you wan't anything for your
retirement you better leverage your career now and plan for your own
retirement.

Here is the choice (reality) for for the American auto industry.
1. Start over without all the dead weight, so we can compete on a
world market.
2. No USA auto makers.

Joe

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe



Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

Of the 10 or so UAW members that I know personally, about half intend to
retire at age 50 or younger. The others won't work beyond 55. That leaves
an average of 23 years during which those retired employees will be draining
the auto companies' profits with zero productivity.

So you propose so-called "universal health care." Since Hugo Chavez isn't
our leader, and we don't have his oil money to finance this socialist health
care agenda, someone will have to pay for it. Of course business will be
footing the bill (and probably the middle class, as usual). Hillary's plan
in the early 90s assumed that most business would be paying more in taxes to
cover "universal health care" than they were paying for covering their
employees under their current plans. Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

Max

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On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of
manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Of interesting contrast is the Honda assembly plant in Marysville, Ohio.
The UAW attempted to unionize that shop for decades, but the workers
overwhelmingly rejected their overtures. Good move, as the plant is still
open and thriving. And the employees are still satisfied with their
relationship with management.

Max