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On May 15, 9:59 am, Joe wrote:
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat


I thought you were making this one up Joe. I found the
article.

So it will take him 50 days to make the trip. Who will
wipe his ass and feed him, and how the heck is he going to
trim his sails and steer? With his teeth?

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On May 15, 9:59 am, Joe wrote:
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat



Did they get any good pictures of him choking on seawater?

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On 17 May 2007 13:49:59 -0700, Bart wrote:

On May 15, 9:59 am, Joe wrote:
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat


I thought you were making this one up Joe. I found the
article.

So it will take him 50 days to make the trip. Who will
wipe his ass and feed him, and how the heck is he going to
trim his sails and steer? With his teeth?


http://www.personaleverest.com/

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"katy" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
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Maxprop wrote:

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Scotty wrote:


unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....


You could get killed in Michigan for saying that.

Max

You notice I didn;t say that while in Michigan? Ya think I forgot that
fast?


Nah. I knew you hadn't forgotten. Hell, I figure you're even aware that
the governor, herself, might come after ya.

Max
She wouldn't dare leave the state....too many ex-pat Michiganders lurking
and waiting...I still don't understand how she got re-elected...

Three words: United Auto Workers. Which is amazing considering how she
rear-ended them so severely.

Max

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of
manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Of interesting contrast is the Honda assembly plant in Marysville, Ohio.
The UAW attempted to unionize that shop for decades, but the workers
overwhelmingly rejected their overtures. Good move, as the plant is still
open and thriving. And the employees are still satisfied with their
relationship with management.

Max

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On Thu, 17 May 2007 00:13:19 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Scotty" wrote in message
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unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Since I may be the only one here who has actually run a large union
organization, negotiated contracts, and sadly, negotiated both the
decision and the effects of a closing contract, I would have to
challenge that statement. The Union in my organization had absolutely
nothing to do with the outsourcing of manufactured goods to foreign
countries, unless you call earning an average of 13.50/hour for
highly productive work, with basic benefits like health care provided
on a cost sharing basis a contributing driver.

Corporate greed was a driver. The Union and most Unions have no
protection what so ever from outsourcing and they are like a "deer in
the headlights" where it is concerned. And that outsourcing takes
place wether there is a union or not.

Health care costs was a driver. In my many years of struggle against
cost increase, I could always offset cost of living labor increases
with productivity, impact material costs postively, lower total unit
overhead by consolidation and growth. The only costs I could never
control were health care costs. Double digit percentage increases
every year. No matter what kind of effort I put into changing TPA's,
(we were self insured) negotiating new provider networks and
prescription drug contracts, etc. When I embarked on a way to
"target" potential health risk employees (meaning potential high
dollar heart or cancer cases), not to eliminate them, but to incentify
them into a wellness program, the government stepped in and passed the
latest version of HIPPA, effectivly killing the program.

Certainly there are bad unions and possibly many of the UAW locals
qualify. My experience with the USWA could not be classified as such.
And most locals around the country are more typical of what I
experienced.

Frank

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's post...
the boss' or the workers?

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe



Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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On May 18, 10:28 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

m...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

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Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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Well the union people and bean counters had billions to invest and
manage to cover the cost of heathcare ect and did a **** poor job of
it. When you retire you have the option of taking all your stock and
selling it and investing in other forms of retirement. Let's face it,
the days of 20 years with a company and a gold watch retirement party
and lifetime pensions are over. If you wan't anything for your
retirement you better leverage your career now and plan for your own
retirement.

Here is the choice (reality) for for the American auto industry.
1. Start over without all the dead weight, so we can compete on a
world market.
2. No USA auto makers.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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On May 18, 10:28 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

m...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well the union people and bean counters had billions to invest and
manage to cover the cost of heathcare ect and did a **** poor job of
it. When you retire you have the option of taking all your stock and
selling it and investing in other forms of retirement. Let's face it,
the days of 20 years with a company and a gold watch retirement party
and lifetime pensions are over. If you wan't anything for your
retirement you better leverage your career now and plan for your own
retirement.

Here is the choice (reality) for for the American auto industry.
1. Start over without all the dead weight, so we can compete on a
world market.
2. No USA auto makers.

Joe



I guess that begs the question... do we need GM if Toyota builds cars in the
US?


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