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Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat

By Will Carson


HELPING HANDS: Geoff is pulled from the Solent after hitting the wave.
Picture by onEdition
A HAMPSHIRE yachtsman has spoken of his "personal heartbreak" at
having to call off his bid to become the first disabled person to sail
singlehanded round Great Britain when he was thrown from his boat.

Quadriplegic sailor Geoff Holt set sail from Hamble on the first leg
of the record-breaking 1,600-mile voyage yesterday.

But disaster struck when waves generated by the dozens of spectator
and press boats caused his 15ft trimaran to become overpowered and he
was thrown into the Solent.

To make matters worse, the 40-year-old's lifejacket didn't inflate
properly, and he lay face down in the water unable to turn himself
over.

One of his rescue team jumped the support boat and flipped Geoff onto
his back, before dragging him to safety.

Today Geoff said that he was fine and well - but his pride had been
hurt.


He said: "What started as one of the most amazing days for me ended
in personal heartbreak.

"I became a victim of our own PR interest by the world's media when
the many spectator boats caused a confused sea and with a following
stiff breeze, my boat broached across the top of one of the washes
from a nearby RIB.

"It flung the boat around, I overbalanced and found myself face down
in the Solent in front of the worlds press.

"Was anyone to blame?

"Of course not, it was just one of those things.

"This is a momentous Challenge and one we hope to restart in the next
few days.

If the challenge goes ahead, Geoff, from Shedfield, will aim to sail
about 50 miles a day on a voyage that will take around 50 days to
complete.

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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:24:40 -0400, Charlie Morgan
wrote:


In New York we lose millions in lost time as hundreds people getting to work
each day by bus have to wait for riders in wheel chairs to get loaded using
specially constructed elevators on each bus. It would be much more
cost-effective just to pay for limousines to transport those folk, but that
wouldn't make enough of a "statement."

Just thank your good fortune that you aren't in one of those
wheelchairs.


You would prefer to ride the bus rather than a limousine if you were
confined to a wheelchair?

I think I would rather the bus, myself....having a limo pull up makes
for all kinds of conjectures plus sets one apart from the general
public. Many places have Dial-a-Ride but from my experience in the elder
care business, it is not reliable in most places and sometimes people
get stranded for hours waiting for their ride to show up. If you're
handicapped, that could be a major problem. Go talk to some workers that
are handicapped and find out which they'd prefer. Maybe some might
prefer the limo, but I bet not the majority.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...


But the profit motive can do wondrous things
if properly used.

Wouldn't it be even better for everyone to pay the handicapped to stay home?

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Bob Crantz wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...



But the profit motive can do wondrous things
if properly used.


Wouldn't it be even better for everyone to pay the handicapped to stay home?


Many handicapped do not want to stay at home. They have skills and
aptitudes that are just as viable as anyone else's. Having a handicap
does not mean you are less improtant to the world. It just means you
approach the world from a different angle. Having a handicap in one area
does not mean you are handicapped in all areas.

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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 16:31:21 -0400, katy
wrote:


Wouldn't it be even better for everyone to pay the handicapped to stay home?



Many handicapped do not want to stay at home.


Many would like to stay home if they were paid for it.

I'm sure many non=handicapped would like the same...unfortunately, the
world doesn't work that way...

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:54 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
said:

Wouldn't it be even better for everyone to pay the handicapped to stay home?

Tried that with welfare mothers. Pretty soon all the teenage girls were
staying home and making babies.

All of them? Wow. I didn't know that.


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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:48 -0400, katy said:


unfortunately, the
world doesn't work that way...


http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...A01-351179.htm

Hey...not fair! We're from Michigan and no one paid us to stay there and
not work!

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 15 May 2007 15:39:34 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Tried that with welfare mothers. Pretty soon all the teenage girls were
staying home and making babies.

All of them? Wow. I didn't know that.

That's called "hyperbole," Jon. You can look it up.

I thought you were doing what you usually do... over-generalizing.


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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:28:28 -0400, katy said:


Hey...not fair! We're from Michigan and no one paid us to stay there and
not work!


Guess you didn't belong to the right union.

Guess we didn't belong to any union!

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 15 May 2007 16:52:46 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

That's called "hyperbole," Jon. You can look it up.

I thought you were doing what you usually do... over-generalizing.

Glad I could educate you on the point.

You might want to look up the definition of sarcasm. g

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:28:28 -0400, katy said:


Hey...not fair! We're from Michigan and no one paid us to stay there and
not work!

Guess you didn't belong to the right union.

Amen to that. A Michigan friend, who shall remain nameless, is employed by
GM. He spends his days in what he and others in his union refer to as
"Daddy Daycare." His job has been phased out by robotic machinery, but his
employment is protected by the UAW contract with GM. He therefore whiles
his long days watching TV, reading, sleeping, eating, etc., but always on
the factory property in a provided facility. There are about 150 others in
Daddy Daycare with him, and he refers to it as man-made Hell. He hates it,
and would rather work. Despite his protestation, he maintains his nearly
$40 per hour (wages plus benefits, perks, etc.). In railroad parlance, this
was called "featherbedding." It, in all likelihood, is also why GM and
other American carmakers are failing to compete effectively, at least in
part, with Toyota and the other offshore car companies.

Max

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 15 May 2007 15:39:34 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Tried that with welfare mothers. Pretty soon all the teenage girls were
staying home and making babies.

All of them? Wow. I didn't know that.

That's called "hyperbole," Jon. You can look it up.

I thought you were doing what you usually do... over-generalizing.

You'd never do a thing like that, now would you?

Max

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:28:28 -0400, katy said:


Hey...not fair! We're from Michigan and no one paid us to stay there and
not work!


Guess you didn't belong to the right union.

Guess we didn't belong to any union!

A shame. You'd probably be retired now and living well. The union types on
A-dock tend to all have rather nice boats.

Max

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Joe,

Stop making up these silly stories. No one believe them anyway.

Bart

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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 15 May 2007 15:39:34 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Tried that with welfare mothers. Pretty soon all the teenage girls were
staying home and making babies.

All of them? Wow. I didn't know that.

That's called "hyperbole," Jon. You can look it up.

I thought you were doing what you usually do... over-generalizing.

You'd never do a thing like that, now would you?

ABSOLUTELY NEVER. NO WAY. REALLY. g
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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:01:16 -0400, katy

wrote:

I think I would rather the bus, myself....having a limo
pull up makes
for all kinds of conjectures plus sets one apart from the
general
public.

This is New York, Katy. Different world.

Many places have Dial-a-Ride but from my experience in
the elder
care business, it is not reliable in most places and
sometimes people
get stranded for hours waiting for their ride to show up.

I suppose it's true that any time you get gummint involved
things are
likely to be screwed up. But the profit motive can do
wondrous things
if properly used.

Why don't you just take an earlier bus?

Scotty

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unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:28:28 -0400, katy
said:


Hey...not fair! We're from Michigan and no one paid us
to stay there and
not work!

Guess you didn't belong to the right union.

Amen to that. A Michigan friend, who shall remain
nameless, is employed by
GM. He spends his days in what he and others in his union
refer to as
"Daddy Daycare." His job has been phased out by robotic
machinery, but his
employment is protected by the UAW contract with GM. He
therefore whiles
his long days watching TV, reading, sleeping, eating,
etc., but always on
the factory property in a provided facility. There are
about 150 others in
Daddy Daycare with him, and he refers to it as man-made
Hell. He hates it,
and would rather work. Despite his protestation, he
maintains his nearly
$40 per hour (wages plus benefits, perks, etc.). In
railroad parlance, this
was called "featherbedding." It, in all likelihood, is
also why GM and
other American carmakers are failing to compete
effectively, at least in
part, with Toyota and the other offshore car companies.

Max

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat

By Will Carson


HELPING HANDS: Geoff is pulled from the Solent after
hitting the wave.
Picture by onEdition
A HAMPSHIRE yachtsman has spoken of his "personal
heartbreak" at
having to call off his bid to become the first disabled
person to sail
singlehanded round Great Britain when he was thrown from
his boat.

Quadriplegic sailor Geoff Holt set sail from Hamble on the
first leg
of the record-breaking 1,600-mile voyage yesterday.

But disaster struck when waves generated by the dozens of
spectator
and press boats caused his 15ft trimaran to become
overpowered and he
was thrown into the Solent.

To make matters worse, the 40-year-old's lifejacket didn't
inflate
properly, and he lay face down in the water unable to turn
himself
over.

he has now changed his name to Bob.

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Scotty wrote:
unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 May 2007 19:01:18 -0400, "Scotty"

said:

Why don't you just take an earlier bus?

How does that help? The work time is lost whether early or
late.


everyone knows that the handicapped are lazy, they won't be
up that early.

SV

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....

You could get killed in Michigan for saying that.

Max

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Scotty wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 16 May 2007 19:01:18 -0400, "Scotty"



said:


Why don't you just take an earlier bus?

How does that help? The work time is lost whether early or

late.


everyone knows that the handicapped are lazy, they won't be
up that early.

SV


sssssss...pffftttttt....bad Scotty...bad....

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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:

unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....


You could get killed in Michigan for saying that.

Max


You notice I didn;t say that while in Michigan? Ya think I forgot that
fast?

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:

unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....


You could get killed in Michigan for saying that.

Max
You notice I didn;t say that while in Michigan? Ya think I forgot that
fast?

Nah. I knew you hadn't forgotten. Hell, I figure you're even aware that
the governor, herself, might come after ya.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Maxprop wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Scotty wrote:


unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....


You could get killed in Michigan for saying that.

Max

You notice I didn;t say that while in Michigan? Ya think I forgot that
fast?


Nah. I knew you hadn't forgotten. Hell, I figure you're even aware that
the governor, herself, might come after ya.

Max


She wouldn't dare leave the state....too many ex-pat Michiganders
lurking and waiting...I still don't understand how she got re-elected...

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On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

...

unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

...

unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of
manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Joe


Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

What a guy.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message


Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.


the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message


Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.


the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV




So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's post...
the boss' or the workers?

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On May 15, 9:59 am, Joe wrote:
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat


I thought you were making this one up Joe. I found the
article.

So it will take him 50 days to make the trip. Who will
wipe his ass and feed him, and how the heck is he going to
trim his sails and steer? With his teeth?

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On May 15, 9:59 am, Joe wrote:
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat



Did they get any good pictures of him choking on seawater?

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On 17 May 2007 13:49:59 -0700, Bart wrote:

On May 15, 9:59 am, Joe wrote:
Disabled sailor to try again after being thrown from boat


I thought you were making this one up Joe. I found the
article.

So it will take him 50 days to make the trip. Who will
wipe his ass and feed him, and how the heck is he going to
trim his sails and steer? With his teeth?


http://www.personaleverest.com/

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"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Maxprop wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Scotty wrote:


unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.


I second that....


You could get killed in Michigan for saying that.

Max

You notice I didn;t say that while in Michigan? Ya think I forgot that
fast?


Nah. I knew you hadn't forgotten. Hell, I figure you're even aware that
the governor, herself, might come after ya.

Max
She wouldn't dare leave the state....too many ex-pat Michiganders lurking
and waiting...I still don't understand how she got re-elected...

Three words: United Auto Workers. Which is amazing considering how she
rear-ended them so severely.

Max

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 16, 7:13 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

...

unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of
manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Well now that a holding group is buying GM the ****s fixing to hit the
fan. They will offer the union employees a meeger severence package,
cut out all heathcare, and chop off all the dead weight..... or they
will file chapter 11 and the workers will get nothing but a kick in
the ass as they are escorted off the grounds . It's long over due that
the greedy unions get ****canned so the American auto mfgrs can
compete with the japs on a level playing field.

Of interesting contrast is the Honda assembly plant in Marysville, Ohio.
The UAW attempted to unionize that shop for decades, but the workers
overwhelmingly rejected their overtures. Good move, as the plant is still
open and thriving. And the employees are still satisfied with their
relationship with management.

Max

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On Thu, 17 May 2007 00:13:19 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
unions are a major contributor to the down fall of this
country.

They certainly contributed significantly to the outsourcing of manufactured
goods to foreign countries.

Max

Since I may be the only one here who has actually run a large union
organization, negotiated contracts, and sadly, negotiated both the
decision and the effects of a closing contract, I would have to
challenge that statement. The Union in my organization had absolutely
nothing to do with the outsourcing of manufactured goods to foreign
countries, unless you call earning an average of 13.50/hour for
highly productive work, with basic benefits like health care provided
on a cost sharing basis a contributing driver.

Corporate greed was a driver. The Union and most Unions have no
protection what so ever from outsourcing and they are like a "deer in
the headlights" where it is concerned. And that outsourcing takes
place wether there is a union or not.

Health care costs was a driver. In my many years of struggle against
cost increase, I could always offset cost of living labor increases
with productivity, impact material costs postively, lower total unit
overhead by consolidation and growth. The only costs I could never
control were health care costs. Double digit percentage increases
every year. No matter what kind of effort I put into changing TPA's,
(we were self insured) negotiating new provider networks and
prescription drug contracts, etc. When I embarked on a way to
"target" potential health risk employees (meaning potential high
dollar heart or cancer cases), not to eliminate them, but to incentify
them into a wellness program, the government stepped in and passed the
latest version of HIPPA, effectivly killing the program.

Certainly there are bad unions and possibly many of the UAW locals
qualify. My experience with the USWA could not be classified as such.
And most locals around the country are more typical of what I
experienced.

Frank

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On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

. ..







"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's post...
the boss' or the workers?

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- Show quoted text -

Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

. ..







"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe



Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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On May 18, 10:28 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com...





On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

m...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

--
"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

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"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well the union people and bean counters had billions to invest and
manage to cover the cost of heathcare ect and did a **** poor job of
it. When you retire you have the option of taking all your stock and
selling it and investing in other forms of retirement. Let's face it,
the days of 20 years with a company and a gold watch retirement party
and lifetime pensions are over. If you wan't anything for your
retirement you better leverage your career now and plan for your own
retirement.

Here is the choice (reality) for for the American auto industry.
1. Start over without all the dead weight, so we can compete on a
world market.
2. No USA auto makers.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 18, 10:28 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com...





On May 17, 3:03 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message

m...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote in message

Yeah, that's the ticket... fire or at least blame the
workers for
_negotiating_ successfully.

the ''workers'', and I use that term loosely, only do / vote
what the mob / union bosses tell them to.

SBV

So what? At this point, who's going to be harmed, according to Joe's
post...
the boss' or the workers?

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"j" ganz -Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey Jon. In case you have not noticed the Americaqn auto industry is
in deep trouble because of all the dead weight the unions strapped
them with. The American auto industry spends more money on heathcare
for RETIRED employees than they spend on steel. Just how is any
company going to make a profit when they are forking out so much? The
only way they can compete in a world market is to start over without
the dead weight.

Joe

Agreed. However, 100s of 1000s are dependent on the agreements that were
reached when the industry was healthy. You can't cut people off at the
knees, so something needs to be worked out... gee, here's a solution...
universal healthcare. Everyone is then covered and the auto industry can
recover. Sorry... I know that's pretty liberal of me. g

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well the union people and bean counters had billions to invest and
manage to cover the cost of heathcare ect and did a **** poor job of
it. When you retire you have the option of taking all your stock and
selling it and investing in other forms of retirement. Let's face it,
the days of 20 years with a company and a gold watch retirement party
and lifetime pensions are over. If you wan't anything for your
retirement you better leverage your career now and plan for your own
retirement.

Here is the choice (reality) for for the American auto industry.
1. Start over without all the dead weight, so we can compete on a
world market.
2. No USA auto makers.

Joe



I guess that begs the question... do we need GM if Toyota builds cars in the
US?


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