"Bill" wrote in message
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Actually, there aren't. Most of the violence is due to racial strife not
people wanting Saddam back or do you think they're planning on having him
be
resurrected?

Actually there are. They don't want him ressurected they want to
continue running the country the way Saddam did.

Please supply the numbers, since you're in the know.

Apparently you do need convincing. Where do you get this majority of
Iraqis stuff? Polls in Iraq show that hey want us there, soldiers
returning form Iraq tell of the Iraqi people being very grateful for
them being there. Where are getting this? Don't say you saw some
reporter on the news say it or heard it in a newsgroup please.

OIC... I guess ABC, NBC, CBS, and gulp FOX news are all liberal media. Not
to mention, God Forbid, NPR.

The Bush administration has called what is happening in Africa GENOCIDE,
yet
we're hardly doing anything about it. Why? A couple of reasons... no oil,
dark skin color, we're bogged down in a war of choice that's draining our
resources and our military.

Yes because the people need an emotion response to get into gear and
get behind doing the right thing. That is historically the US MO.
WWII we did the same thing. I agree that we should be in Africa
helping those people but Americans will never get behind it because
they don't give a crap about people in other countries suffering until
it directly affects them. They say they do but when it comes time to
put up they get all whiny about how war is not the answer when
sometimes, sad to say, it is. The people here need t have some kind
of an excuse to go into it and when they forget the excusse they can't
see there real reson or the good we are doing so they cut the balls
off our resolution and make things worse.

I'm sorry, but I have a more optomistic view of Americans. I'm sorry you
don't.

They need a civil war? Well, they've got one, thanks to us. 100s of 1000s
are dead and maimed because of us. I'm sure they appreciate it.

Many people were dying there before we ever came along. So many are
dying because of the way their society is set up. The average person
that just wants to live and not be oppressed is the ones I'm concerned
for not the car bombing Jihad assholes. You are the kind of person
that thinks it is okay to let a gang run a town and keep people in
fear because standing up to the killers will cause them to kill more
people until they are stopped. You thinkit is better to live in that
fear and put up with oppression rather than risk your life to get your
freedom from it. I'm not that kind of person.

But not via car bombs in crowded markets. Feel free to hurl your insults,
but it doesn't strengthen your argument.

We didn't need to topple Saddam the way we did. If Bush, who had very
high
poll numbers at the time, had come to the American people, and said,
listen,
Saddam is murdering his people, I think we should do something, Bush
would
have likely gotten approval to do something from a Republican controlled
Congress, perhaps even to go to war.

No we would not have. This is evidenced by your earlier statement
that Bush has said there is Genocide in Africa but nobody is calling
for us to go to war there nobody is outraged and screaming on the news
for us to be in Africa. We say oh that's too bad and watch more
American Idol. The only reason we are doing the right thing in Iraq
is because the people were lied to. You can't have it both ways. You
can't say the onyl reason we went to war in Iraq is because we were
lied to even though we may be helping people and then turn around and
say we aren't in Africa because even though we know the truth and what
is going on there.

You know this because you're an expert in all things related to how
Americans think, feel, act. Well, ok....

And, let's not forget the "other" war in Afganistan. No one thinks there
was
lack of reasons to fight there. Initially, we did a great job, but now,
due
to lack of military resources, that situation is starting to fall
apart... a
place where Bin Laden and his buddies are *still* entrenched. All of this
because of a war of choice.

The war in Afganistan is not with Afganistan but with Bin Laden and
his followers who have been effectively stopped. We haven't left yet
because if we do they may come back until we find Bin Laden and all of
his followers. Last time I checked there hasn't been any terrorist
bombings from his group int eh U.S. since we started this war with him
so it seems to be working.

Nope. It's with the Taliban, which was the "legitimate" gov't of Afganistan.

Oh, so because something hasn't happened, therefore it won't happen. Sounds
like Bush's philosophy right before 9/11. He went on vacation.



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