"Bill" wrote in message
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we had
Saddam contained and he posed no threat to his neighbors or us.

So the thret he posed to te average citizen of Iraq is meaningless.
The people he had tortured and murded don't count. Okay I see what
you are thinking. I know he is dead but there are plenty of his
followers still out there trying to do the same thing.

Actually, there aren't. Most of the violence is due to racial strife not
people wanting Saddam back or do you think they're planning on having him be
resurrected?

If the
criteria was a bad guy in charge, excepting Bush, we'd be fighting in
lots
of places. We aren't. It was a war of choice and now it's a civil war we
helped start.

So because we convince liberals like you to do the right thing in all
of the countries where horrible murdering psychos are in power then we
shouldn't do it in Iraq? Because there is bad everywhere that we

Excuse me, but I don't need convincing and neither should you. We need to
strive to always do the "right thing in all of the countries" with which we
possibly have any influence. We toppled Saddam, for the wrong reasons, but
it's done. Why are we still there? We're the ones who are making the
situation worse, and a majority of Iraqis don't want us there. Why are we
there?

The Bush administration has called what is happening in Africa GENOCIDE, yet
we're hardly doing anything about it. Why? A couple of reasons... no oil,
dark skin color, we're bogged down in a war of choice that's draining our
resources and our military.

can't get to but maybe this once we can help some people we should say
F it? Your logic here doesn't make sense. And they need a civil
war. We had one largely due to the desire to end slavery. I would
argue that torturing people because they are a differnt religion than
the leaders is is just as good a reason to have a civil war as
slavery.

They need a civil war? Well, they've got one, thanks to us. 100s of 1000s
are dead and maimed because of us. I'm sure they appreciate it.

Saddam is dead. You're living in the wrong century.

Yeah but there are still a lot of people that want to pick up where he
left off. A lot of people that think that the way you get what you
want is to drive a car bomb into a city and blow up a bunch of
children. But we shold let that go, that's America's fault not the
guy who made the bomb or the guy who blew it up or the leadership that
convinces them to do it. Nope it's America's fault, even though this
has been going on there for decades.

We didn't need to topple Saddam the way we did. If Bush, who had very high
poll numbers at the time, had come to the American people, and said, listen,
Saddam is murdering his people, I think we should do something, Bush would
have likely gotten approval to do something from a Republican controlled
Congress, perhaps even to go to war. Unfortunately, for both us and the
Iraqis, we were mislead or worse lied to, there was no sound military plan
in a large measure because of Rumsfeld, and now 100s die each day.

And, let's not forget the "other" war in Afganistan. No one thinks there was
lack of reasons to fight there. Initially, we did a great job, but now, due
to lack of military resources, that situation is starting to fall apart... a
place where Bin Laden and his buddies are *still* entrenched. All of this
because of a war of choice.

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