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"Bill" wrote in message
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Which is now much more tightly regulated, apparently. No so with guns.

Do you honestly believe that guns are not tightly regulated? Do you
really think that they are just handing them out for a few bucks at
the local store with no checks or anything? They are very regulated
but the system isn't perfect. We don't need to add more regulations
to try and enforce. We need to enforce the ones we already have. We
need to make the system we have work the way it is intended not add
more crap to the pile and hope that works better. Our gov't is not
really capable of doing the things it says it is doing, stop thinking
that adding more stuff will make it better.



Clearly not tightly enough. When was the last time you went to a gun show?
Or, better yet, go to one in Nevada.

Hate to tell you, but the current gov't until just recently has been run by
rightwing nuts, who are more interested in saving the "life" of a fetus that
may or may not be viable than they are in protecting it's living citizens.

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Bill wrote:

Do you honestly think that there is no relationship between the
invention of a gun and mass killings?


No. A gun is a tool. I think there is a relationship between the
way our society treats people and mass killings. I think that
treating people like they are supposed to be taken care of by the
gov't instead of holding them responsible for anything really warps
peoples minds into thinking they are trapped and then they loose it.
Some people go on stress leave and a few go out and kill people. More
laws is not going to change that.


Sure thing Bill. - And if laws don't do any good (since criminals are
going to ignore them anyway), maybe we ought to eliminate all those laws
against rape, murder, assault, deceptive trade practices, etc., etc. -
That's were your argument logically takes us.

Bill, you need to put away all that NRA propaganda for a few days and
listen to what OzOne, Capt., and Jonathan are trying to tell you. (Am I
right? - You ARE posting opinions based on what you have been reading in
NRA publications. - Right?)

Jim

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Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message
...

On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:


Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them.


Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns?
Machetes?

Jim

Learn to appropriate correctly, you twit. That's not my statement.

Max

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 18 Apr 2007 10:33:10 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Halliburton

Ah, and Ganz chants his magic mantra and all-purpose reply again.

So, you think it's ok to rip off the American taxpayer. Got it.

Hey Dave, I believe he's got something there. I'm going to use it, too.

Halliburton!

Max

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And society and the laws we have are inadequate. But, that doesn't matter
right? The more guns the better, according to you.

I never said that. Ir eally don't think you are paying attention at
all. The laws are not inadequate the enforcement and of the laws has
some holes in it but regardless of what we do people will always find
a way to do horrible things if they want to. All the laws in the
world would not have stopped this from happening.

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"Bill" wrote in message
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And society and the laws we have are inadequate. But, that doesn't matter
right? The more guns the better, according to you.

I never said that. Ir eally don't think you are paying attention at
all. The laws are not inadequate the enforcement and of the laws has
some holes in it but regardless of what we do people will always find
a way to do horrible things if they want to. All the laws in the
world would not have stopped this from happening.



And, we might as well make it as easy as possible for them, so no need for
gun laws. Got it.

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Sure thing Bill. - And if laws don't do any good (since criminals are
going to ignore them anyway), maybe we ought to eliminate all those laws
against rape, murder, assault, deceptive trade practices, etc., etc. -
That's were your argument logically takes us.

I never said that laws do no good and we shoudl get rid of them.
Where are getting this from? I said more laws are not going to help
this situation. Properly enforcing the ones we have will help and
trying to help people before hey go nuts instead of turning the other
way will help. Many people knew this kid was crazy but did nothing to
help.

Bill, you need to put away all that NRA propaganda for a few days and
listen to what OzOne, Capt., and Jonathan are trying to tell you. (Am I
right? - You ARE posting opinions based on what you have been reading in
NRA publications. - Right?)

No I don't read NRA publications. They are too extreme for me. I
watch the news, talk to people, look at statistics and talk to a lot
of criminal experts like my Dad who is a retired police officer,
criminal justice instructor, police academy D.I. and Police
consultant. There is also a really good freind of mine who is a
lawyer and gun owner that studied gun laws at Harvard law school,
among many other things and shares my opinion on the matter. I don't
get my opinions from liberal media but from experts.

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On Apr 19, 10:24 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message

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And society and the laws we have are inadequate. But, that doesn't matter
right? The more guns the better, according to you.

I never said that. Ir eally don't think you are paying attention at
all. The laws are not inadequate the enforcement and of the laws has
some holes in it but regardless of what we do people will always find
a way to do horrible things if they want to. All the laws in the
world would not have stopped this from happening.

And, we might as well make it as easy as possible for them, so no need for
gun laws. Got it.

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Are you out of your mind or do you just argue based antirely off what
you think you want the other person to say? I never said that you
did. I never said no laws at all. You keep livin your own personal
fantasy about what you think I said to you I don't need to have this
discussion with someone that can't read or think.

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"Bill" wrote in message
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On Apr 19, 10:24 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message

ups.com...

And society and the laws we have are inadequate. But, that doesn't
matter
right? The more guns the better, according to you.

I never said that. Ir eally don't think you are paying attention at
all. The laws are not inadequate the enforcement and of the laws has
some holes in it but regardless of what we do people will always find
a way to do horrible things if they want to. All the laws in the
world would not have stopped this from happening.

And, we might as well make it as easy as possible for them, so no need
for
gun laws. Got it.

--
"j" ganz


Are you out of your mind or do you just argue based antirely off what
you think you want the other person to say? I never said that you
did. I never said no laws at all. You keep livin your own personal
fantasy about what you think I said to you I don't need to have this
discussion with someone that can't read or think.



Bill, you're continually claiming that I said I'm in favor of banning guns.
Please feel free to post that comment.


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"Bill" wrote in message
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Sure thing Bill. - And if laws don't do any good (since criminals are
going to ignore them anyway), maybe we ought to eliminate all those laws
against rape, murder, assault, deceptive trade practices, etc., etc. -
That's were your argument logically takes us.

I never said that laws do no good and we shoudl get rid of them.
Where are getting this from? I said more laws are not going to help
this situation. Properly enforcing the ones we have will help and
trying to help people before hey go nuts instead of turning the other
way will help. Many people knew this kid was crazy but did nothing to
help.

Bill, you need to put away all that NRA propaganda for a few days and
listen to what OzOne, Capt., and Jonathan are trying to tell you. (Am I
right? - You ARE posting opinions based on what you have been reading in
NRA publications. - Right?)

No I don't read NRA publications. They are too extreme for me. I
watch the news, talk to people, look at statistics and talk to a lot
of criminal experts like my Dad who is a retired police officer,
criminal justice instructor, police academy D.I. and Police
consultant. There is also a really good freind of mine who is a
lawyer and gun owner that studied gun laws at Harvard law school,
among many other things and shares my opinion on the matter. I don't
get my opinions from liberal media but from experts.



There are no experts interviewed by the liberal media... ok, now we're
clear.

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OzOne wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:54:30 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:57:43 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:


Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and
Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information
if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical
information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of
privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote
it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got
rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of
society...

OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations which will
allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol because their
illness is only their affair.
Great!

That pretty well sums it up. Of course it's wrong, but it's the way our
government works. But your professed alternative is completely without
merit as well. How would you expect our seriously-flawed government to do a
gun-grab or gun control correctly? Your faith in our government is not
shared by most Americans.

Max


We have a seriously flawed Govt....a pseudo dictatorship...yet we
managed a gun grab.

.... of approx 10% (being generous) of firearms in Australia.

Admittedly we got in early, and now are working on getting the illegal
guns off the streets, along with the owners.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody has
bought a *new* gun since 1996, Oz? What I've heard is, the number of guns sold
post 1996 is now greater than the number handed in.

Difference is, these are all brand new modern firearms, not clapped out 22RF
semiautos. Either way, there are more firearms in private hands now than there
were 10 years ago. At least registered ones. Kind of screws your argument but
never mind, you'll have a cognitive disconnect and fail to take this on board.

As for getting illegal guns off the streets, sorry, Easter has gone and the
Easter bunny is resting until next year.

PDW

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On 18 Apr 2007 19:49:32 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

Halliburton

Ah, and Ganz chants his magic mantra and all-purpose reply again.

So, you think it's ok to rip off the American taxpayer. Got it.

I think that if you believe chanting a mantra such as "Halliburton" is a
substitute for rational argument, you're deluding yourself, and looking
foolish in the process.


No. I prefer to change Karl (Actung!) Rove, but it only rhymes with dove,
and that doesn't seem to fit.

Since neither is either a substitute for the rational argument I've been
using, I think you're the one who looks foolish trying to defend the
Bush/Iraq fiasco.

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Bill wrote:
Sure thing Bill. - And if laws don't do any good (since criminals are
going to ignore them anyway), maybe we ought to eliminate all those laws
against rape, murder, assault, deceptive trade practices, etc., etc. -
That's were your argument logically takes us.


I never said that laws do no good and we shoudl get rid of them.
Where are getting this from? I said more laws are not going to help
this situation. Properly enforcing the ones we have will help and
trying to help people before hey go nuts instead of turning the other
way will help. Many people knew this kid was crazy but did nothing to
help.


Why is your opinion regarding different (more) laws different from that
regarding the laws we already have? - What's so good about the existing
laws (that apparently causes you to regard them differently than new
laws)? You're not being consistent when you say that more (or different)
laws would be useless, but we shouldn't cancel the ones we have.



Bill, you need to put away all that NRA propaganda for a few days and
listen to what OzOne, Capt., and Jonathan are trying to tell you. (Am I
right? - You ARE posting opinions based on what you have been reading in
NRA publications. - Right?)


No I don't read NRA publications. They are too extreme for me. I
watch the news, talk to people, look at statistics and talk to a lot
of criminal experts like my Dad who is a retired police officer,
criminal justice instructor, police academy D.I. and Police
consultant. There is also a really good freind of mine who is a
lawyer and gun owner that studied gun laws at Harvard law school,
among many other things and shares my opinion on the matter. I don't
get my opinions from liberal media but from experts.

If you are getting your information and opinions from police and from
Harvard law graduates, I'm impressed. But I think it's pretty well
accepted that most police chiefs in large departments favor more
restrictive gun regulations.

Jim

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Maxprop wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
t...


Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message
...


On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:



Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them.


Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns?
Machetes?

Jim


Learn to appropriate correctly, you twit. That's not my statement.

Max

Where the hell did I say it was? But what you said included essentially
the same, simplistic thesis. - Don't blame the gun. - It's not the guns'
fault. (No one said it was the gun, without the shooter, that kills.)

Jim

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Bill wrote:

Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns?
Machetes?

Jim


Or fertilizer and gasoline. 168 Timothy McVeigh.


And how many people were killed in the US by the use of fertilizer or
gasoline last year? And, what percentage of murders in the last ten
years involved the use of fertilizer or gasoline?

Jim

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"PDW" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote:


Admittedly we got in early, and now are working on getting the illegal
guns off the streets, along with the owners.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody
has
bought a *new* gun since 1996, Oz? What I've heard is, the number of guns
sold
post 1996 is now greater than the number handed in.

That is a typical response to stricter controls on certain types of guns,
Pete. Same thing happened here after the so-called 'assault weapon ban' was
enacted. Everyone who ever thought they'd want one scrambled to buy up the
last of them. Or so it seemed. Fact is that the importation of Chinese and
Russian guns flooded the market and ultimately the speculative investors
(who believed they'd make a killing--no pun intended--through buying and
selling them) found themselves stuck with lots of guns and no market. Since
the lapse of the 'ban' the market for paramilitary weapons has all but dried
up.

Max

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OzOne wrote in message ...

You have no clue, My friends who stayed in the police have spoken
about the constant investigations and recovery of illegal and
unlicenced weapons including pistols.
It's an ongoing effort with good results despite what the
sensationalist journalists allude to when they report a few shots
fired at a house somewhere and neglect to report on the investigation
and arrest of the culprits.

I saw something today that surprised me, Oz. Apparently Switzerland and
Israel both require their citizen militia members to take their
fully-automatic weapons home with them, ostensibly in order to have them at
the ready should the militia be called up. On a per capita basis, those
countries have far more automatic weapons than any other country in the
world. Yet neither of those countries have citizens that shoot each other
the way we do in the USA.

This tends to support the argument that the problem here is cultural, not
guns. Americans kill other Americans, and until we address why this is so,
removing guns from the equation may diminish the problem somewhat, but it
will fall far short of solving it.

Max

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"JimC" wrote in message
. net...


Maxprop wrote:

"JimC" wrote in message
t...


Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message
m...


On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:



Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them.


Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns?
Machetes?

Jim


Learn to appropriate correctly, you twit. That's not my statement.

Max
Where the hell did I say it was? But what you said included essentially
the same, simplistic thesis. - Don't blame the gun. - It's not the guns'
fault. (No one said it was the gun, without the shooter, that kills.)

My name appeared at the top, and the last sentence was obviously attributed
to me, in error.

But to answer your question above: bull****. Don't put words in my mouth.
To do so leaves your credibility in serious doubt.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

OzOne wrote in message
...

You have no clue, My friends who stayed in the police have spoken
about the constant investigations and recovery of illegal and
unlicenced weapons including pistols.
It's an ongoing effort with good results despite what the
sensationalist journalists allude to when they report a few shots
fired at a house somewhere and neglect to report on the investigation
and arrest of the culprits.

I saw something today that surprised me, Oz. Apparently Switzerland and
Israel both require their citizen militia members to take their
fully-automatic weapons home with them, ostensibly in order to have them
at the ready should the militia be called up. On a per capita basis,
those countries have far more automatic weapons than any other country in
the world. Yet neither of those countries have citizens that shoot each
other the way we do in the USA.

This tends to support the argument that the problem here is cultural, not
guns. Americans kill other Americans, and until we address why this is
so, removing guns from the equation may diminish the problem somewhat, but
it will fall far short of solving it.

Max

Yup.. of course, for the Israeli's there's another issue. And, thank God the
Swiss are neutral.

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"PDW" wrote in message ...
OzOne wrote:
...
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody has
bought a *new* gun since 1996, Oz? What I've heard is, the number of guns sold
post 1996 is now greater than the number handed in.

Who needs a new gun. One that I remember fondly was a .577/450 calibre Martini action
from Indian campaigns. The cartridge was obsolete so the owner rechambered and
put on a new barrel. I can't remember what it was changed to, but it had somewhat
of a kick.

T.

Difference is, these are all brand new modern firearms, not clapped out 22RF
semiautos. Either way, there are more firearms in private hands now than there
were 10 years ago. At least registered ones. Kind of screws your argument but
never mind, you'll have a cognitive disconnect and fail to take this on board.

As for getting illegal guns off the streets, sorry, Easter has gone and the
Easter bunny is resting until next year.

Hmmm. The guy that owned the Martini WAS a rabbit inspector...

PDW

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"Tomasso" wrote in message
...

"PDW" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote:
...
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody
has
bought a *new* gun since 1996, Oz? What I've heard is, the number of guns
sold
post 1996 is now greater than the number handed in.

Who needs a new gun. One that I remember fondly was a .577/450 calibre
Martini action
from Indian campaigns. The cartridge was obsolete so the owner rechambered
and
put on a new barrel. I can't remember what it was changed to, but it had
somewhat
of a kick.

You can still but the .577/450, but they are hand tooled, and come in boxes
of three. Last I saw they were about $110 per round (1994-5).
Hefalumps, not rabbits ;-)

Marky.


T.

Difference is, these are all brand new modern firearms, not clapped out
22RF
semiautos. Either way, there are more firearms in private hands now than
there
were 10 years ago. At least registered ones. Kind of screws your argument
but
never mind, you'll have a cognitive disconnect and fail to take this on
board.

As for getting illegal guns off the streets, sorry, Easter has gone and
the
Easter bunny is resting until next year.

Hmmm. The guy that owned the Martini WAS a rabbit inspector...

PDW

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Why is your opinion regarding different (more) laws different from that
regarding the laws we already have? - What's so good about the existing
laws (that apparently causes you to regard them differently than new
laws)? You're not being consistent when you say that more (or different)
laws would be useless, but we shouldn't cancel the ones we have.

Many of the laws we have are stupid and pointless but not all of
them. I think that adding more laws makes things more difficult and
we are already haveing a very hard time keepin gup with the ones we
have. I don't think that spending time and money on more restrictions
than are already in place will do any good and in fact I feelt that it
will make things worse. I think that the laws aimed at making policy
makers look like they are doing something (such as laws that ban guns
more on appearance than actual crime usage) should be removed but
things like registering and background checks should stay in place. I
do think that people should have to take a test to purchse any firearm
anywhere in the U.S. not just handguns. I do think that laws
regarding safe storage and handling should stay on the books. I can't
speak for outside CA but here you have to have approved locks on all
of your guns and everyone I know uses them. It's not an all or
nothing with me, not that you are advocating this, but I have seen
what more gun laws do to help and I am really unimpressed. I do know
that when something goes wrong with a legally owned firearm it is
usually because laws that are already in place are being violated but
not enforced or used properly (i.e. a crazy person person is not
reported to the proper authorities). Sometimes thougth there is
nothing the laws will do to stop this kind of violence.

If you are getting your information and opinions from police and from
Harvard law graduates, I'm impressed. But I think it's pretty well
accepted that most police chiefs in large departments favor more
restrictive gun regulations.

I can't speak for what most police chiefs think or want but in my
experience the thing they want the most is to stop letting criminals
out of prison and off easy. Many crimes are committed either because
the criminals are not concerned with the consequences, becuse they
seem them as a joke, or because those that have already been caught
are let out early and go back to breaking the law. I know this isn't
part of gun control but if the person is held responsible and not let
off easily then the crime of hurting another will be committed less.
I think we can all agree that it's stopping the violence against
innocent people that's important here not guns themselves. I
understand that some people think that restricting or banning guns is
a partial solution but I don't see how more restrictions will help
when the ones we have get trampled all over on a regular basis by
those people that do mean to harm others.

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Or fertilizer and gasoline. 168 Timothy McVeigh.

And how many people were killed in the US by the use of fertilizer or
gasoline last year? And, what percentage of murders in the last ten
years involved the use of fertilizer or gasoline?

Jim

You're missing the point. It's not that fertilizer and gasoline
should be banned it is simply that people that wasnt to kill other
people will always find a way. If they want to kill a lot of people
they don't need a gun. Several people in this thread have tried to
use the VT shootings as the biggest example for why guns should be
either banned or more heavily restriced, because a gun allows you kill
more people than a knife or club, but the McVeigh example shows that
it doesn't take a gun to kill a lot of people, in fact without a gun
and just some basic ingredients you can kill many more than with a
gun. Had McVeigh run out and tried to shoot people he may have gotten
a pretty high number but not 168. I'm not saying that he should have
used a gun because it would have been better for the people but just
illustrating the point that people are dangerous and inventive.

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"Bill" wrote in message
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Or fertilizer and gasoline. 168 Timothy McVeigh.

And how many people were killed in the US by the use of fertilizer or
gasoline last year? And, what percentage of murders in the last ten
years involved the use of fertilizer or gasoline?

Jim

You're missing the point. It's not that fertilizer and gasoline
should be banned it is simply that people that wasnt to kill other
people will always find a way. If they want to kill a lot of people
they don't need a gun. Several people in this thread have tried to
use the VT shootings as the biggest example for why guns should be
either banned or more heavily restriced, because a gun allows you kill
more people than a knife or club, but the McVeigh example shows that
it doesn't take a gun to kill a lot of people, in fact without a gun
and just some basic ingredients you can kill many more than with a
gun. Had McVeigh run out and tried to shoot people he may have gotten
a pretty high number but not 168. I'm not saying that he should have
used a gun because it would have been better for the people but just
illustrating the point that people are dangerous and inventive.



All true, but guns kill far more people than knives, fertilizer, etc. every
years. They need to be more regulated as a result. Cars, for example, are
highly regulated, more so than guns. You have to take a driving test,
written test, eye test, pay registration fees, have insurance, etc. Is it
the solution? No, but can you imagine what it would be like without having
some or all of those requirements? Utter chaos. This comparison can be used
for many things... airplanes, CG regs for commercial shipping, nukes, etc.


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"JimC" wrote in message
t...



Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you
think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two
guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors?
Staple guns?
Machetes?


Two bombs?

two 747s ?

Two Mac26Xs ?

SBV

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OzOne wrote in message
...
On 18 Apr 2007 18:06:38 -0700, Bill


Do you honestly believe that a man with a gun, intent on
killing
multiples is no more dangerous that a man with a knife or
club?


YES !!!!! he could have wiped out the entire school with
some bio poison.

Use your head, ozzy.

Scotty

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"JimC" wrote in message
t...



Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you
think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two
guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors?
Staple guns?
Machetes?


Two Mac26Xs ?

One is sufficient. g



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"JimC" wrote in message
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. But I think it's pretty well
accepted that most police chiefs in large departments
favor more
restrictive gun regulations.


Gee, now there's a surprise. ( that's sarcasm, Jimmy).

They also favor seizure laws. Who'd a thunk it?

SBV

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"JimC" wrote in message
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Or fertilizer and gasoline. 168 Timothy McVeigh.


And how many people were killed in the US by the use of
fertilizer or
gasoline last year? And, what percentage of murders in the
last ten
years involved the use of fertilizer or gasoline?


probably 0, Timmy used diesel fuel.

SBV

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"
Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do
you
think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of
two
guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of
scissors?
Staple guns?
Machetes?


Two Mac26Xs ?

One is sufficient. g


So, you admit gun control is a stupid idea. About time.

Scotty

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"
Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do
you
think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of
two
guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of
scissors?
Staple guns?
Machetes?


Two Mac26Xs ?

One is sufficient. g


So, you admit gun control is a stupid idea. About time.

Scotty




It is a stupid idea and it shouldn't be necessary. But, sometimes less than
optimal solutions that well implemented work.

I think if we actually enforce the laws we have and make the tougher ones
across all states, that would work to reduce gun violence.

I believe we have something like 40,000 dealers in the US. There is no way
that the small number of ATF agents can cover that number.


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"
Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do
you
think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of
two
guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of
scissors?
Staple guns?
Machetes?


Two Mac26Xs ?

One is sufficient. g


So, you admit gun control is a stupid idea. About time.

Scotty




It is a stupid idea and it shouldn't be necessary. But, sometimes less
than optimal solutions that well implemented work.

I think if we actually enforce the laws we have and make the tougher ones
across all states, that would work to reduce gun violence.

I believe we have something like 40,000 dealers in the US. There is no
way that the small number of ATF agents can cover that number.

Halliburton could.

Max

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OzOne wrote in message news:believe that a man with a gun,
intent on
killing
multiples is no more dangerous that a man with a knife
or
club?


YES !!!!! he could have wiped out the entire school with
some bio poison.

Use your head, ozzy.

Scotty


Jeez, might have been an opportunity for you to use all
that duct tape
you bought after 911 :-)


What duct tape? C'mon ozwald, THINK!

SBV

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Maxprop wrote:

"PDW" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:


Admittedly we got in early, and now are working on getting the illegal
guns off the streets, along with the owners.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Are you seriously suggesting that nobody
has
bought a *new* gun since 1996, Oz? What I've heard is, the number of guns
sold
post 1996 is now greater than the number handed in.

That is a typical response to stricter controls on certain types of guns,
Pete. Same thing happened here after the so-called 'assault weapon ban' was
enacted. Everyone who ever thought they'd want one scrambled to buy up the
last of them. Or so it seemed. Fact is that the importation of Chinese and
Russian guns flooded the market and ultimately the speculative investors
(who believed they'd make a killing--no pun intended--through buying and
selling them) found themselves stuck with lots of guns and no market. Since
the lapse of the 'ban' the market for paramilitary weapons has all but dried
up.

Sure, human nature WRT expected shortages. I was just making the point that Oz
is telling less than half the story, either from wilful ignorance, stupidity
or a desire to ****-stir you guys over a tragedy, I dunno. None of the above
reasons reflect well on his character IMO. Taken one way, he's just a liar
trotting out a line he *knows* is bull****. Another way, he's using a mass
murder to advance an agenda that simply can't work. Reminds me of the lefties
in Australia who collectively did more damage to our aboriginal population
than pretty much anything else - always with the best of motives & intentions
of course.

As I said, the acid test to any proposal is will it work. If it won't, doesn't
matter how theoretically attractive it is, it's a waste of time & resources.

But you can never teach some people. All you can do is try to stop their
stupidity infecting others.

PDW

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How's the shed? Done yet?

Scotty


"PDW" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:

"PDW" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:


Admittedly we got in early, and now are working on
getting the illegal

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Almost done. Steel door frames are up, most of the steel skins are on the
doors. Some lights hung, temporary 415V power connected from the house, still
waiting for an excavator to turn up & dig the power trench. Another couple
weeks work after I get back from dry dock. I'll post some pix then.

As I said elsewhere I've just bought another horizontal milling machine.
Really looking fwd to having the Arboga radial arm drill back, I'm tired of
step drilling holes with a cheap POS Chinese drill press. The Arboga can drill
50mm dia holes in a single pass. If you can afford the drill bits.

PDW

Scotty wrote:
How's the shed? Done yet?

Scotty


"PDW" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:

"PDW" wrote in message
...
OzOne wrote:


Admittedly we got in early, and now are working on
getting the illegal

How many more?
 

PDW wrote:
Almost done. Steel door frames are up, most of the steel skins are on the
doors. Some lights hung, temporary 415V power connected from the house, still
waiting for an excavator to turn up & dig the power trench. Another couple
weeks work after I get back from dry dock. I'll post some pix then.

As I said elsewhere I've just bought another horizontal milling machine.
Really looking fwd to having the Arboga radial arm drill back, I'm tired of
step drilling holes with a cheap POS Chinese drill press. The Arboga can drill
50mm dia holes in a single pass. If you can afford the drill bits.

PDW

Scotty wrote:

How's the shed? Done yet?

Scotty


"PDW" wrote in message
...

Maxprop wrote:

"PDW" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:


Admittedly we got in early, and now are working on

getting the illegal


Once you get all this done just what the heck are you going to make with
it all?

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"katy" wrote in message
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PDW wrote:


Once you get all this done just what the heck are you
going to make with
it all?

Guns, of course.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"katy" wrote in message
...
PDW wrote:


Once you get all this done just what the heck are you
going to make with
it all?

Guns, of course.




BS... bullets. g

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Scotty wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...
PDW wrote:


Once you get all this done just what the heck are you
going to make with
it all?

Guns, of course.

BT, DT. Cannons if you please. You can make guns on mini-mills & lathes, but
cannons require *real* machinery.

PDW