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Maxprop wrote: Not that I'm using my last experience at a gun show to make the claim that this is common place, but I had three dealers offer to sell me a Dan Wesson without a waiting period. Unless you possess a permit to own/carry a handgun, you should have turned them in. I would have. You shouldn't jay walk. Someone might turn you in. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maxprop wrote: a knee-jerk reaction by liberals to insure protection of medical privacy, Is it always the liberals' fault or do you just like to rant? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maxprop wrote: OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations which will allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol because their illness is only their affair. Great! That pretty well sums it up. Of course it's wrong, but it's the way our government works. But your professed alternative is completely without merit as well. How would you expect our seriously-flawed government to do a gun-grab or gun control correctly? Your faith in our government is not shared by most Americans. Therefore, according to the right-wing agenda, do nothing. Pretty much sums up the previous Congress and the Administration. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maxprop wrote: For a liberal, passing a new law invokes a warm and fuzzy feeling, whether the law is effective or not. For a libertarian, passing a law that 1) won't affect anything or 2) won't be enforced, is meaningless and not worth the time or trouble. For a conservative, not doing anything constructive or even trying invokes a warm and fuzzy feeling that you can help your big money, no civic interest friends. It's all about feelings with liberals. It's all about reality with libertarians. It's all about graft and backdoor deals with conservatives. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Maxprop wrote: Ah, the liberals. Ok, so then what you're really saying is that the Federal law is toothless. Most laws are, Jon. And the ones with teeth are seldom enforced. Our "great" government in action. Most laws? Oh come on. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jeff wrote: The Privacy and Security provisions of HIPPA were passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President. And are you seriously saying that the NRA (or anyone else) would support a law that encouraged a psychiatrist to put a note in your FBI file that you're being treated for depression and therefore cannot be trusted? It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , Jeff wrote: The Privacy and Security provisions of HIPPA were passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President. And are you seriously saying that the NRA (or anyone else) would support a law that encouraged a psychiatrist to put a note in your FBI file that you're being treated for depression and therefore cannot be trusted? It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g The reality is that the former Bush adminsitration called for a stufdy to lessen the costs of health care by systemizing an el;ectronic billing system for insurance companies so that only one code book and one set of diagnosis values would be used, thus streamlinging the medical insurance business. In comes the bureaucrats, saying "Ah! but what about privacy???" Need we remind you that those people were Democrats? Like I said, I have a very close friend, a well known health care lobbyist, who worked in the HEW Dept during the Reagan years who was in on the initiative...What started out as a cost cutting effort turned into a fisco...it's all there in the facts...just Google Hisotry of HIPAA.... |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , katy wrote: See previous list of big money interests. And there are just as many big money interests funded by liberals to lobby for their side of things. It's only bad when it's not your side, right? Care to name them? Nope... didn't think so. I don't think there are many that can compete with the industries I mentioned. Anti-Gun Corporations/Corporate Heads The following listing includes the most prominent national corporations that have lent their corporate support to gun control initiatives or taken position supporting gun control. A & M Records Al Cafaro, Chrm. & CEO 595 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10022 (212) 826-0477 www.amrecords.com Record Production, Entertainment American Century Companies James E. Stowers, CEO 4500 Main St., 4th Floor Kansas City, MO 64111 (816) 531-5575 www.americancentury.com Mutual Fund & Stock Investment Company on NYSE American Multi Cinemas Entertainment, Inc. Stanley H. Durwood, Co-Chairman, CEOPeter C. Brown, President, CFO 106 West 14th Street, #1700 Kansas City, MO 64141 (816) 221-4000 www.amctheaters.com Movie Theater Company Argosy Casino H. Steven Norton, President, CEO 777 N.W. Argosy Parkway Riverside, MO 64150 (816) 746-7711 www.argosycasinos.com/ Gambling Casino Company Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc. Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO Rte. 100, Box 240 Waterbury, VT 05676 (802) 244-5641 www.benjerry.com Ice cream and frozen yogurt BJC Health Systems Fred L. Brown, President & CEO 4444 Forest Park Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314) 747-9322 www.bjc.org/ Healthcare Company Blue Cross Blue Shield - Kansas City John P. Mascotte, President P.O. Box 419169 Kansas City, MO 64141 (816) 395-2222 Healthcare Company Brooks Investments-Robert Brooks Robert Brooks 45 Chesterfield Lakes Road Chesterfield, MO 63005 Investment Company Carter Hawley Hale Stores, Inc. Philip M. Hawley, Chrm. & CEO 444 South Flower Street Los Angeles, CA 90071 (213) 620-0150 Retail clothing and accessories stores Crown Central Petroleum Corp. Henry A. Rosenberg, Jr. One North Central Street Box 1168 Baltimore, MD 21203 (301) 539-7400 Refiners and marketers of petroleum products, convenience stores Development Specialists - Chicago 70 W. Madison Street, #2300 Chicago, IL 60602 (312) 263-4141 Earthgrains - St. Louis 8400 Maryland Ave. St. Louis, MO 63105 (314) 259-7000 www.ironkids.com/Pages/Earthgrains.html National Bread Company General American - St. Louis Richard A. Liddy, CEO P.O. Box 396 St. Louis, MO 63166 (314) 843-8700 www.genam.com Life Insurance Hallmark Cards Irvine O. Hockaday, President & CEO P.O. Box 418307 Kansas City, MO 64141 (816) 274-5111 www.hallmark.com Greeting Card Company Health Midwest 2316 East Meyer Boulevard Kansas City, MO 64132 (816) 751-3000 www.healthmidwest.org National Healthcare Company ICN Biomedicals Adam Jerney, Chrm. & CEO 3300 Hyland Avenue Costa Mesa, CA 92626 (714) 545-0113 www.icnbiomed.com Pharmaceutical products James B.Nutter Co. - Kansas City James B.Nutter 4153 Broadway Kansas City, MO 64111 (816) 531-2345 Investment Banker Kansas City Chiefs Lamar Hunt, Owner One Arrowhead Drive Kansas City, MO 64129 (816) 924-9300 www.kcchiefs.com Pro Football Team Kansas City Royals David Glass, CEO P.O. Box 419969 Kansas City, MO 64141 (816) 921-8000 www.kcroyals.com Pro Baseball Team Kenneth Cole 152 W. 57th Street New York, NY 10019 (800) 536-2653 www.kennethcole.com Clothing retailer Lamar Advertising Company Lamar Outdoor Advertising 5551 Corporate Boulevard, Suite 2-A Baton Rouge, LA 70808 P. O. Box 66338 Baton Rouge, LA 70896 (225) 926-1000 Fax (225) 926-1005 www.lamar.com Levi Strauss & Co. Robert D. Haas, Chairman Philip Marineau, CEO Peter A. Jacobi, President and COO 1155 Battery St. San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 501-6000 FAX (415) 501-3939 www.levistrauss.com Clothing Mallinckrodt, Inc. - St. Louis C. Ray Holman, President & CEO 675 McDonnell Blvd, Box 5840 St. Louis, MO 63134 (314) 654-2000 www.mallinckrodt.com Clothing Starch Company Maritz, Inc. - St. Louis William E. Maritz, Chairman & CEO 1375 N. Highway Drive Fenton, MO 63099 (314) 827-4000 www.maritz.com Corporate Travel & Research Company Michael Douglas Foundation 3550 Wilshire Los Angele, CA 90010 MNC Financial, Inc. Alfred Lerner, Chrm. Ten Light Street Box 987 Baltimore, MD 21203 (301) 244-5000 Banking, financial services Sara Lee Corporation Sara Lee Foundation Three First National Plaza Chicago, IL 60602-4260 Phone: 312-726-2600 www.saralee.com Fax: 312-726-3712 Schnucks Markets Craig D. Schnuck 11420 Lackland Road St. Louis, MO 63146 (314) 994-9900 www.schnucks.com Grocery Stores Silver Dollar City Peter Herschend One Corporate Drive Branson, MO 65616 800 475-9370 www.silverdollarcity.com Amusement Parks Site Oil Company - St. Louis Alvin J. Siteman, President 50 S. Bemiston St. Louis, MO 63105 (314) 725-4321 Oil Company Southland Corporation Masatoshi Ito, Chrm. 2711 North Haskell Avenue Dallas, TX 75221 www.7-eleven.com Convenience stores Southwestern Bell Telephone- St. Louis One Bell Center St. Louis, MO 63101 (314) 235-9800 www.swbell.com Telecommunications Firm Sport & Health, Inc. Don Konz, CEO 1800 Old Meadow Rd. McLean, Virginia 22102 (703) 556-6556 www.sportandhealth.com Health clubs and fitness centers Sprint Corp PAC William T. Esrey, Chrm., Pres. & CEO 2330 Shawnee Mission Parkway Westwood, KS 66205 913 624-3000 www.sprint.com Telecommunicaitons Firm SSM Health System - St. Louis 477 N. Lindbergh St. Louis, MO 63141 (314) 994-7800 Healthcare Company St. Louis Cardinals William DeWitt Jr., Controlling Owner 250 Stadium Plaza St. Louis, MO 63102 (314) 421-3263 Pro Baseball Team St. Louis Rams Georgia Frontiere , Owner One Rams Way Earth City, MO 63045 (314) 982-7267 www.stlouisrams.com Pro Football Team St. Louis University Rev. Lawrence Biondi, President 221 N. Grand Blvd. St. Louis, MO 63103 (314) 977-2222 www.slu.edu Private Catholic University Stoneyfield Farms Yogurt Mr. Gary Hirshberg, CEO 10 Burton Drive Londonderry, NH 03053 (603) 437-7594 Yogurt Sverdrup Corp. Richard E. Beumer, Chairman & CEO 13723 Riverport Drive Maryland Heights, MO 63043 (314) 436-7600 www.sverdrup.com Engineering Firm Time Warner Inc. Gerald M. Levin, Chrm. & CEO 75 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10019 (212) 484-8000 www.pathfinder.com/corp/ Publishing, film and music recordings TMP Worldwide/Monster.Com Andrew McKelvey, CEO 1633 Broadway, 33rd Fl. New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-977-4200 Fax: 212-956-2142 www.tmpw.com www.monster.com online employment service Unity Health - St. Louis 1650 Des Peres Road #301 St. Louis, MO 63131 (314) 909-3300 www.smhs.com/unityheath.html Healthcare Company Working Assets Peter Barnes, Founder 701 Montgomery Street San Francisco, California 94111 (415) 788-0777 www.workingassets.com Long distance telephone service |
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Martin Baxter wrote:
Maxprop wrote:. Many small Just another isolated example of a government that is broken and no fix in sight. And you want this government to control the proliferation of guns. LOL. HIPPA was enacted Aug. 1996, you've had a Replican House, Senate and President for something over half the time the Act has been in effect. If it's so bad why hasn't it been repealled or amended? Cheers Marty Becasue the hue and cry of the liverals over the right of privacy (which existed prior to HIPPA) makes it a deadlocked issue...passing it was a concession to get through the federal ID program for diagnosis and billing, which went from being a money saving proposal to becoming a bugaboo under the volumes of procedure needed to run the HIPPA program... |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... snip Hate to tell you, but he probably had mental problems. Are you advocating locking those people up before they do anything? That is exactly what the British Government is planning to do. I sincerely hope thay can not get this scheme through Parliament. |
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katy wrote: It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g The reality is that the former Bush adminsitration called for a stufdy to lessen the costs of health care by systemizing an el;ectronic billing system for insurance companies so that only one code book and one set of diagnosis values would be used, thus streamlinging the medical insurance business. In comes the bureaucrats, saying "Ah! but what about privacy???" Need we remind you that those people were Democrats? Like I said, I have a very close friend, a well known health care lobbyist, who worked in the HEW Dept during the Reagan years who was in on the initiative...What started out as a cost cutting effort turned into a fisco...it's all there in the facts...just Google Hisotry of HIPAA.... Yeah, to hell with privacy. We don't need it. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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* katy wrote, On 4/18/2007 12:44 PM:
Jonathan Ganz wrote: In article , Jeff wrote: The Privacy and Security provisions of HIPPA were passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President. And are you seriously saying that the NRA (or anyone else) would support a law that encouraged a psychiatrist to put a note in your FBI file that you're being treated for depression and therefore cannot be trusted? It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g The reality is that the former Bush adminsitration called for a stufdy to lessen the costs of health care by systemizing an el;ectronic billing system for insurance companies so that only one code book and one set of diagnosis values would be used, thus streamlinging the medical insurance business. In comes the bureaucrats, saying "Ah! but what about privacy???" Need we remind you that those people were Democrats? Why do you have to remind us? Why is it a given that anything you don't like was done by a liberal Democrat? The truth is that the final version of the privacy and security provisions were voted approved by a Congress that had been Republican for 6 years. So what are you claiming, that Democrats infiltrated and subverted the Republican party? Like I said, I have a very close friend, a well known health care lobbyist, who worked in the HEW Dept during the Reagan years who was in on the initiative...What started out as a cost cutting effort turned into a fisco...it's all there in the facts...just Google Hisotry of HIPAA.... A fiasco it may be, I can't say. I can say that there are a number of nice things about it, like being guaranteed I won't lose coverage when changing jobs. And I'll repeat the issue relevant to the current situation: Are you claiming that a person who voluntarily gets treated for depression should have that put on his FBI record so they are flagged forever as someone who can't get a gun? In the case of Cho, if he involuntarily been committed for observation, it would have been possible to flag his file. But since it was voluntary, it simply isn't appropriate. I don't know what could have been done different in this case. But I certainly don't think answer is to share all of our medical records with the police. And claiming that its only the "Liberals" that prevent us from doing that is, well, rather bizarre! |
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katy wrote: Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc. Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO Rte. 100, Box 240 Waterbury, VT 05676 (802) 244-5641 www.benjerry.com Ice cream and frozen yogurt Wow... compared to Halliburton. You got me there! -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Edgar wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... snip Hate to tell you, but he probably had mental problems. Are you advocating locking those people up before they do anything? That is exactly what the British Government is planning to do. I sincerely hope thay can not get this scheme through Parliament. We had them in mental institutions until Reagan came along. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote: In article , katy wrote: Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc. Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO Rte. 100, Box 240 Waterbury, VT 05676 (802) 244-5641 www.benjerry.com Ice cream and frozen yogurt Wow... compared to Halliburton. You got me there! Well, you guys fight it out... I'm going to the Stritly Sail show in Oakland. I'm gonna leave my gun in the car. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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katy wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote: Maxprop wrote:. Many small Just another isolated example of a government that is broken and no fix in sight. And you want this government to control the proliferation of guns. LOL. HIPPA was enacted Aug. 1996, you've had a Replican House, Senate and President for something over half the time the Act has been in effect. If it's so bad why hasn't it been repealled or amended? Cheers Marty Becasue the hue and cry of the liverals over the right of privacy (which existed prior to HIPPA) makes it a deadlocked issue...passing it was a concession to get through the federal ID program for diagnosis and billing, which went from being a money saving proposal to becoming a bugaboo under the volumes of procedure needed to run the HIPPA program... You guys, (Max, Katy, Dave) begin to sound somewhat paranoid. You chant "Liberal" about every perceived problem, using the term in like it was the most vile depraved thing a human could be. The word you should be chanting is "Politician", in the grand scheme of things there really isn't that huge of range from your mainstream political left to mainstream political right. The common thread to all legislation is politicians and their machinations, which far too often are driven by greed, enough money can make most of them sit on whichever side of the fence pleases the funds provider. Marty (sick of being lied to by politicians) |
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Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works? because people were being nice and making it part of his official record instead of saying 'this guy is a psycho and needs to be locked up'. |
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It's all about feelings with liberals. It's all about reality with
libertarians. HAHAHAHAHA that is freaking awesome Max. Today you are my favorite person. Bill |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:48:37 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:51:59 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message m... On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill scribbled thusly: Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that afraid of everything? Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead, not the person who knowingly killed them. Nope if holding that gun was illegal he would have never done it I mean KILLING people isn't illegal or anything. Plus it's always a good idea to restrict the freedoms of people out of fear and control. It really doen't help make people safer just gives that illusion. Do you know who were huge supporters of gun control? Hitler, Stalin, Polpot and Mussilini. The people thought just like you, that it would make them safer and give them a better more civilized country. But that's somehow different. Robbing you of freedoms is okay if the people are to stupid to realize it like in your country. Most Americans are to and that really bothers me. You shouldn't have to justify the desire to own a gun. You shouldn't have to justify anything here that does not harm others. My gun has never killed or harmed another person. I own it legally and I shouldn't have to tell you why. I own many things that I don't "need" but i still have them. I have some kitchen knives that could kill someone but I don't have to register those. Oh and byt he way assult rifles are illegal. The definition of an assault rifle keeps changing bbut any fully automatic machine gun has been illegal since 1934 here. To me that's more than enough regulation but sadly there are plenty of other laws. The liberal dip****s don't care about helping people they only care about passing useless laws to make it look like they are doing something important when they are doing nothing. In California, the gun control laws are aimed at the apperance of the gun. They don't want someone to be shot with something that looks scary. In the mean tim ethey are making prison sentences shorter and letting a lot more murderers go free. Yep it's the guns fault not the person that did the act. hey maybe gun is out robbing a bank right now without me even knowing it. Nope, blame a system which allows someone who is under treatment for depression yet can walk up to the counter in a gunshop, slap down a credit card and walk out with a pistol and ammunition...no check, no wait... The scenario you state isn't possible. The federal government mandates a wait and background check. But what difference does it make. He could walk into any of a thousand sectors of virtually any city in the country and walk out with a handgun that's not traceable to anyone. And he'll probably pay a fraction for it compared with the legally-obtained one. Max Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works? I didn't imply the system works--only that the scenario you related was impossible. But yet you state below taht the system doesn't work, so it may indeed be very possible....No? Oddly enough, the one set of laws that get close scrutiny are those that affect legal gun dealers. BATFE agents have a reputation for using straw man tactics to entrap dealers. Most dealers are savvy to this and toe the line rather closely. Max |
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Maxprop wrote: OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill scribbled thusly: Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that afraid of everything? Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead, not the person who knowingly killed them. Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns? Machetes? Jim |
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Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns? Machetes? Jim Or fertilizer and gasoline. 168 Timothy McVeigh. |
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YES!!!!!
And if you were holding the door to stop him entering, he could not have shot you through that door. Do you honestly think that murder only started when guns were invented? there has been violent crime since the begining of time. It has always been the fault of the person committing the crime. When the first caveman clubbed another with a rock should they have banned all rocks because they can be used to kill more people than with just bare hands? people will always find a way to hurt other people and those that want to use a gun will whether the gun is legal or not. Banning handguns will not stop murders from using them it wont stop any crime at all as seen in evidence by states that have bans on handguns with higher crime rates. |
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or cars 43,443 in 2005 alone
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multiples is no more dangerous that a man with a knife or club? I believe that a man intent on killing someone does not give a **** about the laws in place saying he can't use a gun. |
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OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:57:43 -0400, katy scribbled thusly: Becasue the liberals passed the HIPPA (Hralth Insurance Portability and Protection Act) laaws which disallow any release of medical information if not specifically permitted by the patient...to release medical information without the express permission of the subject is a breach of privacy under this act and is prosecutable...hey...the libs wrote it...talk to them...kid should have been in an institution...libs got rid of those too so the mentally ill could mainstream with the rest of society... OK, so you have a set of loose gun control regulations which will allow mentally unstable people to purchase a pistol because their illness is only their affair. Great! Yep - just like Victoria (Aus) with privacy laws that effectively prevented a known AIDS patient's records being released to the cops while he went about screwing his partners. What's the tally of infected men - over 100? Difference is, he didn't use a gun and they don't die straight away. They're all going to cost a ****load before they do, tho. Privacy laws. Unintended consequences. Gun checks. Privacy laws. Unintended consequences. Your solution is..... ? PDW |
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You didn't answer my question.
Because your question is completely irrelevant to my argument. Of course it is harder to kill someone with a club or a knife but making guns illegal is not any solution to this problem. Murder is already illegal, we all know this. Obtaining firearm illegally is still possible, we know this as well. If someone wants to murder a bunch of people there will always be a way for them to do that. writing it down on paper that they are not supposed to have that gun they are shooting people with does nothing. In imperial Japan swords were banned to stop the samurai. So they started illegally carrying cane swords. Crime rates still went up people still broke the law. The sword ban was less for the protection of the people and more for the government to claim more control over the people. more control = more money. Always has. Now its the same with guns. Look at the people that historically have banned guns. The big ones to me are Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, and Mussolini. I don't want to be in the same category as them. I Want the individual to be held responsible not everyone that happens to enjoy guns and doesn't harm others with them. |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article , katy wrote: It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g The reality is that the former Bush adminsitration called for a stufdy to lessen the costs of health care by systemizing an el;ectronic billing system for insurance companies so that only one code book and one set of diagnosis values would be used, thus streamlinging the medical insurance business. In comes the bureaucrats, saying "Ah! but what about privacy???" Need we remind you that those people were Democrats? Like I said, I have a very close friend, a well known health care lobbyist, who worked in the HEW Dept during the Reagan years who was in on the initiative...What started out as a cost cutting effort turned into a fisco...it's all there in the facts...just Google Hisotry of HIPAA.... Yeah, to hell with privacy. We don't need it. We laready had adequate privacy laws in effect...it was overkill and unnecessary...not cost effective and has made the health care industry even more seamped in administration costs than before... |
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Dave wrote: On 18 Apr 2007 10:33:10 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said: Halliburton Ah, and Ganz chants his magic mantra and all-purpose reply again. So, you think it's ok to rip off the American taxpayer. Got it. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article , Martin Baxter wrote:
You guys, (Max, Katy, Dave) begin to sound somewhat paranoid. You chant "Liberal" about every perceived problem, using the term in like it was the most vile depraved thing a human could be. The word you should be chanting is "Politician", in the grand scheme of things there really isn't that huge of range from your mainstream political left to mainstream political right. The common thread to all legislation is politicians and their machinations, which far too often are driven by greed, enough money can make most of them sit on whichever side of the fence pleases the funds provider. Yup... paranoid. Scary paranoid actually. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article ,
JimC wrote: Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns? Machetes? Even using a car or a Mac, he would have been pretty limited. g -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article . com,
Bill wrote: Do you honestly think that murder only started when guns were invented? there has been violent crime since the begining of time. It has always been the fault of the person committing the crime. When the first caveman clubbed another with a rock should they have banned all rocks because they can be used to kill more people than with just bare hands? people will always find a way to hurt other people and those that want to use a gun will whether the gun is legal or not. Banning handguns will not stop murders from using them it wont stop any crime at all as seen in evidence by states that have bans on handguns with higher crime rates. Do you honestly think that there is no relationship between the invention of a gun and mass killings? -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bill wrote: Do you honestly believe that a man with a gun, intent on killing multiples is no more dangerous that a man with a knife or club? I believe that a man intent on killing someone does not give a **** about the laws in place saying he can't use a gun. EXACTLY. Therefore, if one limits his access to guns, making them difficult to get, having to jump through hoops to get them, then he will be less likely to use one to kill 33 people. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article .com,
Bill wrote: Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns? Machetes? Jim Or fertilizer and gasoline. 168 Timothy McVeigh. Which is now much more tightly regulated, apparently. No so with guns. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bill wrote: or cars 43,443 in 2005 alone Correct, however, gun violence is intentional. Crashing a car isn't. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article ,
katy wrote: Yeah, to hell with privacy. We don't need it. We laready had adequate privacy laws in effect...it was overkill and unnecessary...not cost effective and has made the health care industry even more seamped in administration costs than before... BS totally. Personal information is all over the place, exposing millions to abuse. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
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EXACTLY. Therefore, if one limits his access to guns, making them
difficult to get, having to jump through hoops to get them, then he will be less likely to use one to kill 33 people. He did jump through hoops. He didn't go to the store that day and buy the guns, he had them for several weeks. |
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Do you honestly think that there is no relationship between the
invention of a gun and mass killings? No. A gun is a tool. I think there is a relationship between the way our society treats people and mass killings. I think that treating people like they are supposed to be taken care of by the gov't instead of holding them responsible for anything really warps peoples minds into thinking they are trapped and then they loose it. Some people go on stress leave and a few go out and kill people. More laws is not going to change that. |
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Which is now much more tightly regulated, apparently. No so with guns.
Do you honestly believe that guns are not tightly regulated? Do you really think that they are just handing them out for a few bucks at the local store with no checks or anything? They are very regulated but the system isn't perfect. We don't need to add more regulations to try and enforce. We need to enforce the ones we already have. We need to make the system we have work the way it is intended not add more crap to the pile and hope that works better. Our gov't is not really capable of doing the things it says it is doing, stop thinking that adding more stuff will make it better. |
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"Bill" wrote in message
oups.com... EXACTLY. Therefore, if one limits his access to guns, making them difficult to get, having to jump through hoops to get them, then he will be less likely to use one to kill 33 people. He did jump through hoops. He didn't go to the store that day and buy the guns, he had them for several weeks. And society and the laws we have are inadequate. But, that doesn't matter right? The more guns the better, according to you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bill" wrote in message
oups.com... Do you honestly think that there is no relationship between the invention of a gun and mass killings? No. A gun is a tool. I think there is a relationship between the way our society treats people and mass killings. I think that treating people like they are supposed to be taken care of by the gov't instead of holding them responsible for anything really warps peoples minds into thinking they are trapped and then they loose it. Some people go on stress leave and a few go out and kill people. More laws is not going to change that. A gun is not a tool in a normal modern society. It's an aberation and should be at best exceptional, reserved for only those worthy of owning them. Laws have made awesome changes and will continue to do so. Duhh... there's a relationship between the way our society treats people and mass killings. Can you possibly say something more obvious. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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