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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 10 Apr 2007 12:42:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:28:29 GMT, Charlie Morgan said:

Hey Charlie, what does the AP Stylebook say about "advise" and "advice?"

It says that spell check won't catch some obvious typos.

Not at all obvious. It's a very common error -- not as a typographical
error, but as a grammatical error.

In this case it was a typo. I don't spell words in my head as I speak,
either. Go suck another lemon, and see how you feel.

CWM

I expect better from you Charlie. You and Dave are two of the few who bring
order, decorum, wit and intelligence to this group. Arguing the fine points
of grammar is a delight to those of civilization, culture and taste, a group
in which you belong but frequently stray. A person of your fine breeding and
upbringing should place their egocentric tendencies aside, extend a pinky
properly and sincerely thank Dave for his correction, unless, of course, it
is you experiencing the citrusy taste. Didn't you learn anything from charm
school?

May the Lord have mercy!

Glory!

Bob Crantz

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But I see your point, same as owning a 4-wheel drive in NYC.


Yeah, AWD only makes sense for off road. It doesn't make a car any
safer in the snow or rain, right Scotty Potty?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


RB
35s5
NY

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Hey, Scotty Potty trailer trash man....learn remedial English someday!

Main Entry: 1yacht
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'yät
Etymology: obsolete Dutch jaght, from Middle Low German jacht, short
for jachtschip, literally, hunting ship
: any of various recreational watercraft: as a : a sailboat used for
racing b : a large usually motor-driven craft used for pleasure
cruising C: any vessel employed for pleasure boating



Doh!



RB
35s5
NY

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* Capt. Rob wrote, On 4/10/2007 12:29 PM:
Yes, there is a contrast between RB and Wilbur. One difference is
that RB has never actually sailed out of sight of his slip. Although
he talks frequently of "cruising" he's only spent a handful of nights
at anchor in 10 years.



Well, this is not true of course, but lets assume that it is and
wonder why it would be a problem for Jeff. Suppose I liked to keep my
yacht on land and use it for lawn decor? It's my boat and if it
pleases ME then that's all that matters. People of Jeff's sort are
consumed and angry with how others enjoy themselves. They feel that a
toy, tool or even art form must be used and experienced the way they
say.

Its not a problem for me, you are entitled to waste your money however
you see fit. The issue is whether you are qualified to give advice on
nautical issues. If someone asks what the most comfortable boat is
when sitting at the dock, or even the most fun for a one hour day
sail, I might send him to you. But this poster is looking for a small
boat to live on, while gunkholing in the Keys. Since you've never
done anything remotely like this, your advice isn't worth a lot.


Of course this is not what sailing is about. Not one bit. For a
balanced individual sailing is about sailing as you please, when you
please to where you please. If sailing a Swan 60 a few miles a day
makes you happy, that's wonderful. If sailing a 19 footer across the
Atlantic is your cup of tea, drink away. Sailing is about freedom, not
about knuckle headed numb nuts like Jeff or Scotty Potty (who sails
less distance than I do year after year) suggest how you enjoy
sailing.

yada yada yada. Its the same old lame argument. Every time I point
out to someone that they should be careful about taking cruising
advice from a marina queen, you throw a little tantrum about how its
your God-given right to sail or not sail anyway you please. Well, I
agree. It is your right to buy a nice racer-cruiser and neither race
nor cruise it. Just don't think you can fool anyone into thinking
you know about either.


Telling someone how to enjoy their boat is like telling them
what foods they should prefer. It's shameful and only someone who's
life came up short would do it.
If you're lucky enough to own a boat, enjoy it YOUR way and never let
someone like Jeff suggest you're "doing it wrong."

I've never said you're doing it wrong, in fact when you got your boat
I commented that it was a good choice for your type of sailing.
However, you have repeated this so many times that we can only assume
that you believe you're "doing it wrong" and you're desperately
seeking my approval. Let me say here and now that its just fine with
me if all you do is daysail and do a long weekend once a year. I fact,
I can honestly say that for my first dozen years of sailing I never
went out of sight of land, and never did an overnight. And I can say
I sailed more (in terms of hands on the tiller, tacking and sail
handling, etc.) in those days then almost any time since.

Then of course, I grew up and found that tacking back and forth in the
same area a bit boring if you're not racing. I'd much rather cruise
the Keys or the Maine coast, even if it means powering a bit, and just
hanging out a bit. And for most of the last 35 years, that's what
I've done.

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:05:27 -0700, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 10 Apr 2007 12:42:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:28:29 GMT, Charlie Morgan said:

Hey Charlie, what does the AP Stylebook say about "advise" and
"advice?"

It says that spell check won't catch some obvious typos.

Not at all obvious. It's a very common error -- not as a typographical
error, but as a grammatical error.

In this case it was a typo. I don't spell words in my head as I speak,
either. Go suck another lemon, and see how you feel.

CWM

I expect better from you Charlie. You and Dave are two of the few who
bring
order, decorum, wit and intelligence to this group. Arguing the fine
points
of grammar is a delight to those of civilization, culture and taste, a
group
in which you belong but frequently stray. A person of your fine breeding
and
upbringing should place their egocentric tendencies aside, extend a pinky
properly and sincerely thank Dave for his correction, unless, of course,
it
is you experiencing the citrusy taste. Didn't you learn anything from
charm
school?

May the Lord have mercy!

Glory!

Bob Crantz


You missed the point, Bob. I was being helpful by pointing out that
Dave is exceedingly dour, and a boorish grind. My advice is that he
should lighten up. He'd be a better person, and life might become
mildly fun for him again.

CWM

I see your point. I like Dave. A man of your talents could use the "velvet
hammer" and coax the fun side out of Dave rather than being a bit blunt
about. Save the blunt stuff for the truly stupid. Dave is a cautious man
with strong reservations as well as convictions. Perhaps we can instill a
sense of soaring idealism in Dave and then he will toss aside the heavy
cloak of practicality. Think of what is possible, rather than what is, Dave!
Relive the greats moments of the past with glorious gestures today! Walk
right in and say "You can get anything you want at Alice's restaraunt" and
then walk right out. When you vote Republican, vote Goldwater! Insist on
using the regulation issue .45 in the pentathalon. Fight cowardice,
compromise and lies! A man does not fight to win, no it is better when the
fight is in vain! Do not lead a life of quiet desparation.

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* Vic Smith wrote, On 4/9/2007 10:00 PM:

So scuttling the Mac idea, what do you recommend?
I need = 2' draft, decent live aboard accommodation for 2,
no more than 30k ready-to-go.
No blue water or heavy weather sailing.
Used mostly for gunkholing West Florida and the Keys.
You sure seem to know your boats, so any advice appreciated.


My first choice for this type of cruising was (and is) a catamaran.
However, it will be difficult find one at $30K; the cheapest I've seen
is about $60K for an old, but serviceable cat. This, however, would
be huge compared to a Mac.

My second choice would be something like this:
http://www.marshallcat.com/
The problem with these is that the larger one at 22 feet is too wide
to take long distance on a trailer. (You can still use a trailer, but
it's a wide load and the mast is not easy to step alone.) But you
would be pretty much guarantee that you'd the prettiest boat where
ever you went.

Third choice would be one of the many "clorox bottle" trailer boats,
of which the Mac is the epitome. However, I would also consider a
small powerboat; personally, I probably get more use out of this:
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=18

There a few bits of info you haven't offered us: First, does this
need to be a trailer boat? Second, are you looking for new, gently
used, or a fixer upper? And if your perfect boat stretched your
budget, would you go for it?

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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:25:12 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
So scuttling the Mac idea, what do you recommend?
I need = 2' draft, decent live aboard accommodation for 2,
no more than 30k ready-to-go.
No blue water or heavy weather sailing.
Used mostly for gunkholing West Florida and the Keys.
You sure seem to know your boats, so any advice appreciated.

--Vic


Vic, you've got to keep in mind that Wilber, aka Neal, is just a troll.

Even trolls sometimes have useful info (-:

--Vic

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:25:35 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote:


So scuttling the Mac idea, what do you recommend?
I need = 2' draft, decent live aboard accommodation for 2,
no more than 30k ready-to-go.
No blue water or heavy weather sailing.
Used mostly for gunkholing West Florida and the Keys.
You sure seem to know your boats, so any advice appreciated.

--Vic

Seaward 26RK. You may have to pay a bit more than 30K. When you say
"liveaboard", I hope you are not expecting a full time home of any sort for
under 30K.

Thanks Charlie, I hadn't seen that one, and it looks real nice, but it
may be too rich for my blood. Don't quite know yet.
No, by liveaboard I meant I could survive a month or so cruising.
Sorry for not being clear.

--Vic

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* Vic Smith wrote, On 4/10/2007 5:24 PM:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:08:15 -0400, Jeff wrote:

The Mac 26M has very specific virtues that might make it a good choice
for some people. In particular, its at the upper limit of size for an
easily trailerable boat, and with a big engine it can be much faster
than any normal sailboat. However, its a ****-poor sailer, and you
can do a lot better with a purpose built powerboat.

If you want fast speed that's true. But if you want to power at
moderate speed and still have room for excursions you can't beat
the Mac 26M for price and operating economy.

You get what you pay for. Is the Mac that much cheaper than a Hunter
25 or Catalina 250? It won't be any more "economical."

The sail capability
is a bonus. Some Mac owners buy them for that excursion value and use
them exclusively for motoring, even removing mast/rigging.
I've seen some discussion on the Mac forum where that calculation
was done, and to get a power cruiser comparable to the Mac in living
space would be something like a 24' Bayliner at 70k. And I'm sure
that Bayliner is a real gas hog.

You're doing a real apples to oranges comparison here. Also, you seem
to have some misconception about fuel economy. There is no magic
bullet. If specify a length, weight, and speed, its very easy to
compute the required power and estimated fuel economy. There's
nothing inherently economical about a Mac, except that its very light.
And a Bayliner is only a "gas hog" because its much heavier, and
because its 220 HP engine is not going to be too happy running at 8
knots.

Any small boat pushed well under hull speed by an 8 HP outboard is
going to be very economical.


I don't fault them for that if it works for them.
Personally, I would prefer a boat that sails well if it carries sail.
And I'm a bit leery of the load carrying capability of the Mac.
But when all is considered, if that shoe fits me, I'll wear it.
If it fits perfectly, you should get one.

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:08:15 -0400, Jeff wrote:


The Mac 26M has very specific virtues that might make it a good choice
for some people. In particular, its at the upper limit of size for an
easily trailerable boat, and with a big engine it can be much faster
than any normal sailboat. However, its a ****-poor sailer, and you
can do a lot better with a purpose built powerboat.

If you want fast speed that's true. But if you want to power at
moderate speed and still have room for excursions you can't beat
the Mac 26M for price and operating economy. The sail capability
is a bonus. Some Mac owners buy them for that excursion value and use
them exclusively for motoring, even removing mast/rigging.
I've seen some discussion on the Mac forum where that calculation
was done, and to get a power cruiser comparable to the Mac in living
space would be something like a 24' Bayliner at 70k. And I'm sure
that Bayliner is a real gas hog.
I don't fault them for that if it works for them.
Personally, I would prefer a boat that sails well if it carries sail.
And I'm a bit leery of the load carrying capability of the Mac.
But when all is considered, if that shoe fits me, I'll wear it.

--Vic