"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:30:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:05:43 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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All you Bozos prove by your ignorant statements that you have NEVER
reused a Sta-Lok fitting. Had any of you lamers ever reused a
Sta-Lok
fitting you would know that to disassemble them one must first clamp
the
terminal body upside down in the jaws of a vice at the eye/pin area.

Blah, blah. Anybody with any sense uses scrap wood when putting
chrome or other shiny stuff in a vise. No excuse there.
I would never treat my Mac 26M rigging with such disregard.

--Vic

Chrome? Bwahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahah! Shows how much you know.
Maybe MacGregor cuts corners and uses chrome plated zinc (Zamak) for
it's fittings but real sailboats like that Bristol, 27-foot,
world-cruising, blue water, Coronado by the name of "Cuts the Mustard"
and owned, sailed and professionally maintained by the World Famous
Captain Neal uses solid stainless steel fittings for the standing
rigging. A few vice jaw marks are a badge of honor which do not
compromise the functionality of the fitting one iota.

No since marking good steel when a bit of sailorly care can prevent
it. Keep all gear shipshape with no vise jaw marks is my motto.

Any real sailor
who looked at that fitting closely would say to himself. Now, there's
a
self-sufficient sailor who installs the best fittings available and if
a
wire needs to be replaced he re-uses the fitting as re-usability is
one
of the features of the Sta-Lok mechanical terminal. You will never
finds
a top-of-the-line fitting like that one on any MacGregor. (For one
thing, they don't make them small enough for that 1/8 in wire the Mac
uses for the backstay. Bwahahahahhahahahhahhahahahah!

I've seen on the Mac site a lot of the original rigging is replaced,
sometimes by the dealer. Don't know for sure.
BTW, I read your website with interest and awe. How to sail lessons,
etc. Figured I'd use it as my bible on how to become a real sailor
when I get my first sailboat.
Then I saw the MacGregor site and learned I can just motor out to
some wind and follow the instructions in the 3 page pamphlet.
So I'll see how that works.

--Vic


You mean you read Capt. Neal's web site? I don't have a web site. I have
a Swan 68 and an Allied Seawind 32. The Swan it just to make people
jealous and it's too expensive really to operate so the Seawind gets
used more often.

You and the Mac26 is probably a marriage made in heaven. . . Buy one
right away. But consider a good used one as there are lots of them
available and the original owner will take the hit on the initial
depreciation that way. Most people who buy Macs don't really sail them a
whole lot. They soon discover it's a bit too much trouble all that
tailoring and raising and lowering of the mast and launching and parking
the car and trailer. It's just gets to be too much of a hassle. So, that
being the case, many Macs just sit in driveways for months on end and
stay in relatively decent shape.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:05:43 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



All you Bozos prove by your ignorant statements that you have NEVER
reused a Sta-Lok fitting. Had any of you lamers ever reused a Sta-Lok
fitting you would know that to disassemble them one must first clamp the
terminal body upside down in the jaws of a vice at the eye/pin area.

Blah, blah. Anybody with any sense uses scrap wood when putting
chrome or other shiny stuff in a vise. No excuse there.
I would never treat my Mac 26M rigging with such disregard.

--Vic

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:30:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:05:43 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



All you Bozos prove by your ignorant statements that you have NEVER
reused a Sta-Lok fitting. Had any of you lamers ever reused a Sta-Lok
fitting you would know that to disassemble them one must first clamp
the
terminal body upside down in the jaws of a vice at the eye/pin area.

Blah, blah. Anybody with any sense uses scrap wood when putting
chrome or other shiny stuff in a vise. No excuse there.
I would never treat my Mac 26M rigging with such disregard.

--Vic

Chrome? Bwahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahah! Shows how much you know.
Maybe MacGregor cuts corners and uses chrome plated zinc (Zamak) for
it's fittings but real sailboats like that Bristol, 27-foot,
world-cruising, blue water, Coronado by the name of "Cuts the Mustard"
and owned, sailed and professionally maintained by the World Famous
Captain Neal uses solid stainless steel fittings for the standing
rigging. A few vice jaw marks are a badge of honor which do not
compromise the functionality of the fitting one iota.

No since marking good steel when a bit of sailorly care can prevent
it. Keep all gear shipshape with no vise jaw marks is my motto.

Any real sailor
who looked at that fitting closely would say to himself. Now, there's a
self-sufficient sailor who installs the best fittings available and if a
wire needs to be replaced he re-uses the fitting as re-usability is one
of the features of the Sta-Lok mechanical terminal. You will never finds
a top-of-the-line fitting like that one on any MacGregor. (For one
thing, they don't make them small enough for that 1/8 in wire the Mac
uses for the backstay. Bwahahahahhahahahhahhahahahah!

I've seen on the Mac site a lot of the original rigging is replaced,
sometimes by the dealer. Don't know for sure.
BTW, I read your website with interest and awe. How to sail lessons,
etc. Figured I'd use it as my bible on how to become a real sailor
when I get my first sailboat.
Then I saw the MacGregor site and learned I can just motor out to
some wind and follow the instructions in the 3 page pamphlet.
So I'll see how that works.

--Vic

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:09:45 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



You and the Mac26 is probably a marriage made in heaven. . . Buy one
right away. But consider a good used one as there are lots of them
available and the original owner will take the hit on the initial
depreciation that way. Most people who buy Macs don't really sail them a
whole lot. They soon discover it's a bit too much trouble all that
tailoring and raising and lowering of the mast and launching and parking
the car and trailer. It's just gets to be too much of a hassle. So, that
being the case, many Macs just sit in driveways for months on end and
stay in relatively decent shape.

Thanks for the advice Cap'n. Good points. As for the trailering
stuff, I figure I can moor somewhere and avoid that.
That way I'll get to do more sailing without all that mast raising and
adjustment nonsense. Just untie, motor off, and hoist sail per
instructions.

--Vic

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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Put proper sized Whitworth wrenchs on the flats of
the two parts and they always come apart.



BwaHahahahahhahaha

"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:05:43 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:16:49 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:49:13 -0600, "Lloyd Bonafide"

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 24 Mar 2007 07:50:37 -0700, "Joe"
wrote:


Tools that professional's use are a sign of the quality and
dedication
to the job they take on.


Pay special attention to this photo. Like his fellow confessed
hack,
Maxprop,
Nellen doesn't know what tools are needed to do jobs properly.
Like Max,
Nellen
has damaged hardware by using vice-grips, rather than a properly
sized
wrench.
Look at that gouge! Bristol? Ouch!

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/staloktoggel.jpg

CWM

Does not appear to be vice grip damage. No teeth marks and the
edge
of the
face is not rounded. It more resembles the work of a pipe wrench
if
anything.


Hack work with the wrong tools, regardless. That nasty scar could
easily
be from
vicegrips or channel-loks. Highly doubtful that it was a pipe
wrench.

CWM


Looks like he used a flat head screwdriver and a hammer to break it
loose.

That would be a pretty bizarre and ineffective thing to do. Put
proper
sized
wrenchs on the flats of the two parts and they always come apart
without much
fuss if they were properly assembled to begin with. Then again,
Nellen
specializes in being bizarre and ineffective...

CWM

All you Bozos prove by your ignorant statements that you have NEVER
reused a Sta-Lok fitting. Had any of you lamers ever reused a Sta-Lok
fitting you would know that to disassemble them one must first clamp
the
terminal body upside down in the jaws of a vice at the eye/pin area.
Then a wrench is used to spin the compression nut out of the body.
Then
one must clamp the compression nut in the jaws of a vice. Then one
must
use a hacksaw to cut the wire flush with the compression nut. With
the
compression nut still firmly clamped in the jaws of the vice one uses
a
punch to knock out the crimped wire/cone remains from the compression
nut. Those marks on the side you see were most like the result of the
vice jaws and if any marks are noted on the top of the compression nut
it was probably the result of it being "kissed" by the hacksaw blade.

What a bunch of ruckin' fetards! But, keep trying. One of these days
you might convince yourselves that you know even a tiny bit about
Bristol standing rigging.

Wilbur Hubbard

Why not use a set of heavy diagnol cutters to cut the wire flush
strand by strand. You can knock out the compression cone from the wire
in end of the nut by simply setting it on top of the vice with the
jaws spread enough to support the nut and enough clearance for the
parts to come out. You can even use a six or twelve point socket held
in the vise with the nut in the socket. The picture shows unsat work.

Nathan

A jig to fit the sides of the fitting would be a better thing than
taking a chance on buggering the threads by resting the base of the
compression nut on a hard split surface like a vice. If you've worked
with stainless steel threads you know it's important to not get any
spaulding as it will soon render the threads inoperable. This is so
important that one must use blue Locktite on the threads when fitting
the terminal together more to protect, seal and lubricate the threads
than to keep them locked in place.

But, give a world class, professional level marine mechanic the likes of
the World Famous Mariner, Capt. Neal, a choice between lightly marring
the wrench surface of the terminal which is strictly cosmetic and
buggering or collapsing the operational threads thus rendering the
terminal inoperable, the mechanic will always select the first option.

Wilbur Hubbard