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To snub or not to snub
Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see
a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
To snub or not to snub
Capt. JG wrote:
Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... |
To snub or not to snub
"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
To snub or not to snub
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... Ah... I leave mine on the dock. Unfortunately, the marina where I keep the boat has shackles and no proper cleats. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
To snub or not to snub
"Milton Waddams" wrote in message
... [Default] On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:55:45 -0400, katy wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... I use sheathed snubbers. The sheath keeps them from getting sun rot and protects the hull from scuffs. You can make your own out of sunbrella. Make sure it is longer than the snubber and easy to peel back for inspection. You can make them as tubes or flat with a velcro seam. Milton Do you have any pictures of them? I'd love to see... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
To snub or not to snub
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... Ah... I leave mine on the dock. Unfortunately, the marina where I keep the boat has shackles and no proper cleats. YUK!!! A Bobsprit dock! |
To snub or not to snub
On Mar 15, 6:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g.,http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz Never used one yet. But I'm not to worried about yanking my cleats off. Save your money, just use 3 strand nylon it has plenty of spring. Snubbers for dock lines are for West Marine, and boatsUS fools. AKA Bubbles & BB. Joe |
To snub or not to snub
On Mar 15, 10:17 pm, "Joe" wrote:
On Mar 15, 6:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g.,http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz Never used one yet. But I'm not to worried about yanking my cleats off. Save your money, just use 3 strand nylon it has plenty of spring. Snubbers for dock lines are for West Marine, and boatsUS fools. AKA Bubbles & BB. Joe PS.. Splice in a thimble for the shackle. Joe |
To snub or not to snub
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? They are an absolute necessity where we are. Fortunately I'm now on the leeward side of the floating dock from the prevailing winds and seaway. When a storm kicks up out of the southwest, the long fetch down our lake can produce some mighty big waves which cause boats on the leeward side of the dock to roll violently and snap their leeward dock lines violently as well. Without snubbers, even oversized lines would part in short order, or cleats would be damaged or pull out of the boats. The snubbers on my leeward lines has kept them solid and sound for years, and the snubbers I've been using are at least a decade old. It only takes an annual wipedown with Formula 303 to preserve them nicely. They are very cheap insurance against disaster where we are. Max |
To snub or not to snub
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... You aren't supposed to have them close enough to the boat to contact the gelcoat. I'm surprised you guys could exist on the south side of A-dock without 'em. We'd never have slept on Mystique without snubbers. And do you recall the 100mph winds on Memorial Day weekend some years ago? I had two dock lines on the leeward quarter that both parted during that storm. The boat next to me had only one line and it didn't part, thanks to a snubber. I became a believer after that night. Max |
To snub or not to snub
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... Ours are ten years old or older, and they are still shiny and leave no marks. An annual wipe with Formula 303 sees to that. Max |
To snub or not to snub
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 15, 6:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g.,http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz Never used one yet. But I'm not to worried about yanking my cleats off. Save your money, just use 3 strand nylon it has plenty of spring. Snubbers for dock lines are for West Marine, and boatsUS fools. AKA Bubbles & BB. You've obviously never been in a situation where the boat is rolling violently at the dock. Snubbers will keep your lines from parting, not to mention allowing you to get some sleep at night. When a boat without snubbers snaps the dockline taut, it tends to roll the occupants of the v-berth over. Max |
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"Milton Waddams" wrote in message
... [Default] On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:54 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Milton Waddams" wrote in message . .. [Default] On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:55:45 -0400, katy wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... I use sheathed snubbers. The sheath keeps them from getting sun rot and protects the hull from scuffs. You can make your own out of sunbrella. Make sure it is longer than the snubber and easy to peel back for inspection. You can make them as tubes or flat with a velcro seam. Milton Do you have any pictures of them? I'd love to see... They look just like these ones that anyone can purchase: http://www.urbanhart.com/shopsite/ro...rotection.html Milton Which ones? I don't see anything that would cover a snubber. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... Ah... I leave mine on the dock. Unfortunately, the marina where I keep the boat has shackles and no proper cleats. YUK!!! A Bobsprit dock! I know. What can I say. Still, it's a better spot than the last place... much less time to the bay. It's not a big deal from my perspective. It's actually pretty easy to leave while single-handing. I don't have to get off the boat to release the lines. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com... On Mar 15, 10:17 pm, "Joe" wrote: On Mar 15, 6:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g.,http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz Never used one yet. But I'm not to worried about yanking my cleats off. Save your money, just use 3 strand nylon it has plenty of spring. Snubbers for dock lines are for West Marine, and boatsUS fools. AKA Bubbles & BB. Joe PS.. Splice in a thimble for the shackle. Joe Yeah, I need to do that for my own lines. I'm still using the ones that were there when I brought the boat up. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? They are an absolute necessity where we are. Fortunately I'm now on the leeward side of the floating dock from the prevailing winds and seaway. When a storm kicks up out of the southwest, the long fetch down our lake can produce some mighty big waves which cause boats on the leeward side of the dock to roll violently and snap their leeward dock lines violently as well. Without snubbers, even oversized lines would part in short order, or cleats would be damaged or pull out of the boats. The snubbers on my leeward lines has kept them solid and sound for years, and the snubbers I've been using are at least a decade old. It only takes an annual wipedown with Formula 303 to preserve them nicely. They are very cheap insurance against disaster where we are. Max I'm in a single berth... barely enough for the 10 foot beam of the boat. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com My marina has made them obligatory this year and says that if owners do not comply they will come along and fit them at our expense. I have seen nothing to justify their use. The marina is at the head of a creek where no power boats come roaring past creating wash and it is quite free from swell in bad weather. |
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On Mar 15, 11:40 pm, "Maxprop" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 15, 6:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g.,http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz Never used one yet. But I'm not to worried about yanking my cleats off. Save your money, just use 3 strand nylon it has plenty of spring. Snubbers for dock lines are for West Marine, and boatsUS fools. AKA Bubbles & BB. You've obviously never been in a situation where the boat is rolling violently at the dock. Snubbers will keep your lines from parting, not to mention allowing you to get some sleep at night. When a boat without snubbers snaps the dockline taut, it tends to roll the occupants of the v-berth over. Max- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Odviously. Who would dock at a place that tosses you out of your bunk? Joe |
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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... You aren't supposed to have them close enough to the boat to contact the gelcoat. Wasn't talking about in use...was talking about when throwing thewm on the boat when you untie... I'm surprised you guys could exist on the south side of A-dock without 'em. We'd never have slept on Mystique without snubbers. And do you recall the 100mph winds on Memorial Day weekend some years ago? The storm wher eyour mast was in my cockpit? I remember it vividly... I had two dock lines on the leeward quarter that both parted during that storm. The boat next to me had only one line and it didn't part, thanks to a snubber. I became a believer after that night. We did have them...they helped some but not to any great degree...I'm wondering though if it has something to do with the weight of the boat...they had no effect on Chanteuse that I could see..seeing thast she's like a little cork because she's so light, maybe that's why? We've never snapped a line...but we do use heavier than recommended for size line and back then double tied and crsoostied and triple tied,. etc....I love sitting in the still waters now...boat never does anything but go up and down... Max |
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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... Ours are ten years old or older, and they are still shiny and leave no marks. An annual wipe with Formula 303 sees to that. Max The rubber comes off the snubbers onto the boat... |
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* Capt. JG wrote, On 3/16/2007 1:56 AM:
I'm in a single berth... barely enough for the 10 foot beam of the boat. I inherited them on my old boat and they made sense on a few of the docklines. Where the distance is small, say under 5 feet, there is not enough room for the stretch of nylon to take affect, but the geometry sometimes means the short runs need the most stretch.. On the catamaran, every dockline has 20 to 30 feet from the deck to the dock cleat, so there's plenty of room for stretch, and the boat can move a fair amount without stressing any line. Also, the cat doesn't do the nasty dock roll that seems to kill dock lines the fastest. BTW, I also had a snubber on the mainsheet of the Nonsuch - it came in handy when jibing. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message
... * Capt. JG wrote, On 3/16/2007 1:56 AM: I'm in a single berth... barely enough for the 10 foot beam of the boat. I inherited them on my old boat and they made sense on a few of the docklines. Where the distance is small, say under 5 feet, there is not enough room for the stretch of nylon to take affect, but the geometry sometimes means the short runs need the most stretch.. On the catamaran, every dockline has 20 to 30 feet from the deck to the dock cleat, so there's plenty of room for stretch, and the boat can move a fair amount without stressing any line. Also, the cat doesn't do the nasty dock roll that seems to kill dock lines the fastest. BTW, I also had a snubber on the mainsheet of the Nonsuch - it came in handy when jibing. Boom brake? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:41:14 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message ... * Capt. JG wrote, On 3/16/2007 1:56 AM: I'm in a single berth... barely enough for the 10 foot beam of the boat. I inherited them on my old boat and they made sense on a few of the docklines. Where the distance is small, say under 5 feet, there is not enough room for the stretch of nylon to take affect, but the geometry sometimes means the short runs need the most stretch.. On the catamaran, every dockline has 20 to 30 feet from the deck to the dock cleat, so there's plenty of room for stretch, and the boat can move a fair amount without stressing any line. Also, the cat doesn't do the nasty dock roll that seems to kill dock lines the fastest. BTW, I also had a snubber on the mainsheet of the Nonsuch - it came in handy when jibing. Boom brake? Naw, it only flexed a little! my nubber stiff. my nubber not flex. it cumz in handi. wish had juny 2 cum in. todd |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? They are an absolute necessity where we are. Fortunately I'm now on the leeward side of the floating dock from the prevailing winds and seaway. When a storm kicks up out of the southwest, the long fetch down our lake can produce some mighty big waves which cause boats on the leeward side of the dock to roll violently and snap their leeward dock lines violently as well. Without snubbers, even oversized lines would part in short order, or cleats would be damaged or pull out of the boats. The snubbers on my leeward lines has kept them solid and sound for years, and the snubbers I've been using are at least a decade old. It only takes an annual wipedown with Formula 303 to preserve them nicely. They are very cheap insurance against disaster where we are. Max I'm in a single berth... barely enough for the 10 foot beam of the boat. Snubbers require some distance between the boat and the dock for stretch/extension of the dockline. If you're in a tight situation, snubbers will be of no value. In fact they might allow your boat to strike the dock in wind or seaway. Max |
To snub or not to snub
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 15, 11:40 pm, "Maxprop" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 15, 6:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g.,http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? -- "j" ganz Never used one yet. But I'm not to worried about yanking my cleats off. Save your money, just use 3 strand nylon it has plenty of spring. Snubbers for dock lines are for West Marine, and boatsUS fools. AKA Bubbles & BB. You've obviously never been in a situation where the boat is rolling violently at the dock. Snubbers will keep your lines from parting, not to mention allowing you to get some sleep at night. When a boat without snubbers snaps the dockline taut, it tends to roll the occupants of the v-berth over. Max- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Odviously. Who would dock at a place that tosses you out of your bunk? The adventurous type? Max |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... You aren't supposed to have them close enough to the boat to contact the gelcoat. Wasn't talking about in use...was talking about when throwing thewm on the boat when you untie... We leave our docklines on the dock. Then it's just a matter of "hooking up" when returning. Everything is in place and the boat is situated properly in the slip. I know some people take their lines with them each time, but they also spend half an hour getting everything resituated upon returning. As for lines with snubbers, we don't take those when we cruise--we stow them in the dock box. We only take lines without snubbers. I'm surprised you guys could exist on the south side of A-dock without 'em. We'd never have slept on Mystique without snubbers. And do you recall the 100mph winds on Memorial Day weekend some years ago? The storm wher eyour mast was in my cockpit? I remember it vividly... I had two dock lines on the leeward quarter that both parted during that storm. The boat next to me had only one line and it didn't part, thanks to a snubber. I became a believer after that night. Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. We did have them...they helped some but not to any great degree...I'm wondering though if it has something to do with the weight of the boat...they had no effect on Chanteuse that I could see..seeing thast she's like a little cork because she's so light, maybe that's why? We've never snapped a line...but we do use heavier than recommended for size line and back then double tied and crsoostied and triple tied,. etc....I love sitting in the still waters now...boat never does anything but go up and down... Now that we're on the north side of A-dock we have no problems. Marv still puts 25 docklines on his Catalina 42, but that's just Marv. He could get by with four 3/4" lines on the corners and a spring or two. Max |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Maxprop wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't impressed... On the gelcoat? All the ones I've seen are no where near the boat... middle line. When you're casting off but leaving the lines on the boat..like going to the gas dock...when you throw the lines on tehy make marks like dark soled shoes do...needs Soft SCrub to get it off...not while the boat is suspended between them... Ours are ten years old or older, and they are still shiny and leave no marks. An annual wipe with Formula 303 sees to that. Max The rubber comes off the snubbers onto the boat... Don't put the snubbers on the boat. :-) Max |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit. http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message hlink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each?? What do you think? Do you use them? They are an absolute necessity where we are. Fortunately I'm now on the leeward side of the floating dock from the prevailing winds and seaway. When a storm kicks up out of the southwest, the long fetch down our lake can produce some mighty big waves which cause boats on the leeward side of the dock to roll violently and snap their leeward dock lines violently as well. Without snubbers, even oversized lines would part in short order, or cleats would be damaged or pull out of the boats. The snubbers on my leeward lines has kept them solid and sound for years, and the snubbers I've been using are at least a decade old. It only takes an annual wipedown with Formula 303 to preserve them nicely. They are very cheap insurance against disaster where we are. Max I'm in a single berth... barely enough for the 10 foot beam of the boat. Snubbers require some distance between the boat and the dock for stretch/extension of the dockline. If you're in a tight situation, snubbers will be of no value. In fact they might allow your boat to strike the dock in wind or seaway. That's what I was thinking also. They're not required. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, you should. Anybody with a roll-up jib is too stupid in the first place to do things right. Nothing screams "stupid, inept wannabe" like a roll-up jib. Get rid of that roll-up crap, use hank-on headsails and be a real sailor for once. The only thing more stupid looking than a roll-up headsail on a sailboat is a roll-up headsail on a Mac26. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, you should. Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you deleted? I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit. http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, you should. |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message ... "Scotty" w@u wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, you should. Anybody with a roll-up jib should. Agreed. SBV |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Scotty" w@u wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, you should. Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you deleted? Well, I hope you never find out. SBV |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit. http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Why do that? Now you have to go forward to release it before you can use your jib. All you have to do with a roller jib is to put enough turns on the drum so that you can roll a turn or two of the sheets on top of the sail. Make sure the sheets are properly cleated and all is secure and the sail can be unrolled instantly when you want it. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit. http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Why do that? Now you have to go forward to release it before you can use your jib. All you have to do with a roller jib is to put enough turns on the drum so that you can roll a turn or two of the sheets on top of the sail. Make sure the sheets are properly cleated and all is secure and the sail can be unrolled instantly when you want it. This is for when I'm not at the dock. When I'm sailing, I put a couple of extra turns. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
... "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and tying a keeper line around the rolled genny. I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit. http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Why do that? Now you have to go forward to release it before you can use your jib. All you have to do with a roller jib is to put enough turns on the drum so that you can roll a turn or two of the sheets on top of the sail. Make sure the sheets are properly cleated and all is secure and the sail can be unrolled instantly when you want it. This is for when I'm not at the dock. When I'm sailing, I put a couple of extra turns. Let me try again... this is for when the boat *is* at the dock. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. .. Ed, it is good advice to tie an extra line around a RF sail when leaving the boat for a while. Many, many, many ( Many,many,many) sails that have been shredded could have been saved. Scotty "Edgar" wrote in message ... Why do that? Now you have to go forward to release it before you can use your jib. All you have to do with a roller jib is to put enough turns on the drum so that you can roll a turn or two of the sheets on top of the sail. Make sure the sheets are properly cleated and all is secure and the sail can be unrolled instantly when you want it. Seen it... never happened to me, mainly because until recently, my jib was not on a furler. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message . .. Ed, it is good advice to tie an extra line around a RF sail when leaving the boat for a while. Many, many, many ( Many,many,many) sails that have been shredded could have been saved. Scotty Not a single hank-on sail has been shredded because they are removed and stored below. That's the way sails are supposed to be taken care of. Not wound up around the head stay and out in the elements when not being used. Wilbur Hubbard |
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