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Capt. JG wrote:
Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I
see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid
dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially
since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each??

What do you think? Do you use them?


We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and
left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use
them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe
not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and
they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't
impressed...

You aren't supposed to have them close enough to the boat to contact the
gelcoat. I'm surprised you guys could exist on the south side of A-dock
without 'em. We'd never have slept on Mystique without snubbers. And do
you recall the 100mph winds on Memorial Day weekend some years ago? I had
two dock lines on the leeward quarter that both parted during that storm.
The boat next to me had only one line and it didn't part, thanks to a
snubber. I became a believer after that night.

Max

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Capt. JG wrote:

Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I
see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid
dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially
since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each??

What do you think? Do you use them?


We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and
left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use
them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe
not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and
they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't
impressed...


You aren't supposed to have them close enough to the boat to contact the
gelcoat.

Wasn't talking about in use...was talking about when throwing thewm on
the boat when you untie...

I'm surprised you guys could exist on the south side of A-dock
without 'em. We'd never have slept on Mystique without snubbers. And do
you recall the 100mph winds on Memorial Day weekend some years ago?

The storm wher eyour mast was in my cockpit? I remember it vividly...
I had
two dock lines on the leeward quarter that both parted during that storm.
The boat next to me had only one line and it didn't part, thanks to a
snubber. I became a believer after that night.

We did have them...they helped some but not to any great degree...I'm
wondering though if it has something to do with the weight of the
boat...they had no effect on Chanteuse that I could see..seeing thast
she's like a little cork because she's so light, maybe that's why? We've
never snapped a line...but we do use heavier than recommended for size
line and back then double tied and crsoostied and triple tied,. etc....I
love sitting in the still waters now...boat never does anything but go
up and down...

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:

Currently, I don't use snubbers (e.g., http://tinyurl.com/2bm2g3), but I
see a lot of boats using them. I'm using the standard three line braid
dock line and spring lines, so I don't really see the need, especially
since they apparently degrade rather fast. And, $35 each??

What do you think? Do you use them?


We had them but took the snubber part off since they were annoying..and
left b;lack marks on the gelcoat...would probably make more sense to use
them here where we have tides than it did in Michigan...but then, maybe
not since our boat seemed to catch the wake of the getch of the lake and
they did hjelp with that...for the most part, though, we weren't
impressed...


You aren't supposed to have them close enough to the boat to contact the
gelcoat.

Wasn't talking about in use...was talking about when throwing thewm on the
boat when you untie...

We leave our docklines on the dock. Then it's just a matter of "hooking up"
when returning. Everything is in place and the boat is situated properly in
the slip. I know some people take their lines with them each time, but they
also spend half an hour getting everything resituated upon returning. As
for lines with snubbers, we don't take those when we cruise--we stow them in
the dock box. We only take lines without snubbers.


I'm surprised you guys could exist on the south side of A-dock
without 'em. We'd never have slept on Mystique without snubbers. And do
you recall the 100mph winds on Memorial Day weekend some years ago?

The storm wher eyour mast was in my cockpit? I remember it vividly...
I had
two dock lines on the leeward quarter that both parted during that storm.
The boat next to me had only one line and it didn't part, thanks to a
snubber. I became a believer after that night.

Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


We did have them...they helped some but not to any great degree...I'm
wondering though if it has something to do with the weight of the
boat...they had no effect on Chanteuse that I could see..seeing thast
she's like a little cork because she's so light, maybe that's why? We've
never snapped a line...but we do use heavier than recommended for size
line and back then double tied and crsoostied and triple tied,. etc....I
love sitting in the still waters now...boat never does anything but go up
and down...

Now that we're on the north side of A-dock we have no problems. Marv still
puts 25 docklines on his Catalina 42, but that's just Marv. He could get by
with four 3/4" lines on the corners and a spring or two.

Max

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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html

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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.

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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.

Anybody with a roll-up jib is too stupid in the first place to do things
right. Nothing screams "stupid, inept wannabe" like a roll-up jib. Get
rid of that roll-up crap, use hank-on headsails and be a real sailor for
once.

The only thing more stupid looking than a roll-up headsail on a sailboat
is a roll-up headsail on a Mac26.

Wilbur Hubbard

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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we
got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about
securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.

Anybody with a roll-up jib should.

Agreed.

SBV

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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Exc...SCN0022_3.html



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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we
got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about
securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the
secton you deleted?


Well, I hope you never find out.

SBV

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ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.


I don't put a line around the rolled jib,



you should.




Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line
through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

Do you take about two or three wraps of the sheets around the genny when you
roll it up? If you're one of those who leaves the clew sticking out behind
the genoa, you should rethink that. You should also pull the sheets taut
around the winches and cleat them--not just in the self-tailing part of the
winch, but a couple of flemishes on a cleat.

Max