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To snub or not to snub

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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Some of us can afford RF, apparently some can't. :p~

It's not a matter of affording. It's a matter of doing it the right way.
If you're going to use roll-ups, the least you can do is take them down
when you're not using them. Like you said yourself, unattended roll-ups
come unwound in high winds and tear themselves to shreds. The often
damage the boat in the slips beside them. That's not only stupid but
inconsiderate of your neighbor.

Wilbur Hubbard

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Ed, it is good advice to tie an extra line around a RF sail
when leaving the boat for a while. Many, many, many (
Many,many,many) sails that have been shredded could have
been saved.

Scotty

"Edgar" wrote in message
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Why do that?
Now you have to go forward to release it before you can
use your jib.
All you have to do with a roller jib is to put enough
turns on the drum so
that you can roll a turn or two of the sheets on top of
the sail. Make sure
the sheets are properly cleated and all is secure and the
sail can be
unrolled instantly when you want it.

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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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Some of us can afford RF, apparently some can't. :p~

SBV

And, not all hank-on jibs are "stored" below. Many, such as what was on my
boat before the furler, are stowed at the forestay.

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Excalibur/

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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Some of us can afford RF, apparently some can't. :p~

SBV

And, not all hank-on jibs are "stored" below. Many, such as what was
on my boat before the furler, are stowed at the forestay.

http://www.sailnow.photosite.com/Excalibur/

True enough but even bagged sails like that on deck are way less prone
to come out of the bag and flap in the wind. If the bag is sound the
sail should be pretty safe from the elements. Around here marinas during
hurricane warnings are taking down wind up sails and charging their
customers if the customers don't do it themselves.

Wilbur Hubbard

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Some of us can afford RF, apparently some can't. :p~

SBV

"Willy Hubbard" wrote in

Not a single hank-on sail has been shredded because they
are removed and
stored below. That's the way sails are supposed to be
taken care of. Not
wound up around the head stay and out in the elements when
not being
used.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:15:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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Ed, it is good advice to tie an extra line around a RF sail
when leaving the boat for a while. Many, many, many (
Many,many,many) sails that have been shredded could have
been saved.

Scotty

Not a single hank-on sail has been shredded because they are removed
and
stored below. That's the way sails are supposed to be taken care of.
Not
wound up around the head stay and out in the elements when not being
used.

Yes, I've seen many times how hanked on sails are cared for. It's not
pretty.
Wet, dirty and either quicky stuffed in a bag to molder, or crunched
up and
stuffed through the forward hatch. Roller furling is MUCH kinder to
head sails.

I always have several wraps of the sheets PLUS a sail tie. There is no
issue
with removing the sail tie, because every competent captain does a
walk around
of the boat before leaving the dock or mooring. Only a complete lubber
would
argue with this. I expect that Neal/Nellen/Wilbur the uber-lubber will
have
something to say!

You bet I have something to say. What you described above is all totally
unnecessary. Get rid of the wind-up headsails and you don't need to
worry about the damned thing unrolling and flogging itself to death in a
severe storm. All this nonsense about putting sail ties and wrapping
extra lines around it is all well and good but how many people actually
take the time to do it. Does the guy in the slip right next to your
precious boat do it? Probably not. I bet if he had hank-on sails they
would be stowed safely away. And what do you care about how somebody
else stores their hank-on sails as long as they don't cause you any
problems. with the safety of your boat? Let sloppy sailors stuff them in
the back caked with salt. They aren't gonna jump out of wherever they
happen to be stowed away and smash the crap out of your boat in a storm
and that's a fact.

As for wind-ups being kind to sails. Hah! They sit out in the weather
and the sun. Often the strip of sunblocking material is half rotted away
which means the leech and luff of the sail are also getting eaten away
with UV rays. The whole idea is a mockery of proper seamanship. I
consider every sailboat I see that has wind-up sails a slovenly
proposition. I don't even want to be near them.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line
through one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

That's a good idea, and one I've done with another type of roller furling.

The night in question was forecast to be rather nasty, but the NWS couldn't
have imagine the wide area of 100mph+ straight-line winds that blew through
the area for about 3 minutes, followed by 30-40kts. for an hour or so. I
had just installed a new roller furler and a new 155% genoa on Mystique, my
former Mariner 31 ketch. Someone advised me to put a couple of tie lines
around the sail, which I did. I also ran the jibsheet tails around the
winches and cleated the bitter ends. Good move--lots of people lost
headsails that night. Any boat with Hood Linedrive ended up unfurling in
the wind and shredding the sail. A cradle under a boat that hadn't yet been
launched collapsed and damaged the boat. Dozens of docklines--some doubled
and tripled--parted, allowing the boats to sustain damage against the docks.
Some docks broke free, allowing boats to destroy each other. Virtually
everything on the dock, such as dock boxes, grills, picnic tables, etc.
ended up in the water. That was a long time ago, but we still talk about
it.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

ink.net...
Yup. Memorial Day, can't recall the year. But we got a
lesson about
docklines that night. Also got a lesson about securing
genoa sheets and
tying a keeper line around the rolled genny.

I don't put a line around the rolled jib,

you should.

Why? What's wrong with the method I described in the secton you deleted?

I don't put a line around the rolled jib, but I do use a keeper line
through
one of the holes on the drum to the pulpit.

Do you take about two or three wraps of the sheets around the genny when you
roll it up? If you're one of those who leaves the clew sticking out behind
the genoa, you should rethink that. You should also pull the sheets taut
around the winches and cleat them--not just in the self-tailing part of the
winch, but a couple of flemishes on a cleat.

Max

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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You bet I have something to say. What you described above is all totally
unnecessary. Get rid of the wind-up headsails and you don't need to worry
about the damned thing unrolling and flogging itself to death in a severe
storm.

A few minor precautions that take about 1 minute to employ solve the problem
nicely. I never worry about my headsail.

All this nonsense about putting sail ties and wrapping extra lines around
it is all well and good but how many people actually take the time to do
it.

Everyone I know with roller furling.

Does the guy in the slip right next to your precious boat do it?

Indeed. He's the one who taught me to do it. There's a powerboat on the
other side.

Probably not. I bet if he had hank-on sails they would be stowed safely
away.

Most hanked-on sails, especially the larger genoas, never make it out of the
bag. Instead the idiots generally sail around on the main, too lazy to go
below, lug the heavy bag and sail up onto the deck and bend on the sail.
And those sails stuffed in bags look like **** after a very short time.
They get stained with spider crap, mildew, and lose their sizing much more
quickly than those on rollers.

And what do you care about how somebody else stores their hank-on sails as
long as they don't cause you any problems. with the safety of your boat?
Let sloppy sailors stuff them in the back caked with salt. They aren't
gonna jump out of wherever they happen to be stowed away and smash the
crap out of your boat in a storm and that's a fact.

Perhaps not, but they do often get left on the deck where they can be
stolen, blown into the water, or just accumulate rain and spiders. I'd
never buy another boat without roller furling.

As for wind-ups being kind to sails. Hah! They sit out in the weather and
the sun. Often the strip of sunblocking material is half rotted away which
means the leech and luff of the sail are also getting eaten away with UV
rays. The whole idea is a mockery of proper seamanship. I consider every
sailboat I see that has wind-up sails a slovenly proposition. I don't even
want to be near them.

I see the diametric opposite. Those boats with hanked-on sails are
generally abused and neglected. Those with furlers are the ones cared for
in a seamanlike manner. As for the sun cover, I've replaced my current one
when it showed abrasive wear due to degradation by UV. The sail is perfect,
and about 8 years old.

You're way off base on this issue, Neal. Even the finest vintage wooden
works of art now sport roller furling. But I'm betting there is a urine
yellow Coronado 27 somewhere with a moldy, limp, blown-out headsail that
never makes it onto the forestay.

Max