* Nathan Branden wrote, On 3/14/2007 1:50 PM:
On 14 Mar 2007 12:20:08 -0500, Dave wrote:

Your ideology is blinding you, Jeff. He was criticizing the Dems for failing
to pass a bill requiring immediate withdrawal.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:56:09 -0400, Jeff said:

This is a total crook of ****. Are you actually claiming that a
majority of Democrats called for immediate withdrawal? No such claim
was made and you dishonor yourself by lying like this.

* Nathan Branden wrote, On 3/14/2007 10:18 AM:
General Pace of the United States Marine Corps is right for not
apologizing for giving his personal opinion. If anyone should be
apologizing it should be the Democrats. They promised to get us out of
Iraq. They control both Houses and all they have to do is pass a bill
requiring immediate withdrawal. It seems they are more interested in
getting re-elected than in the interests of the majority of Americans.
The Democrats lack the spine to take a real stand and one can plainly
see they will makes things much worse by half heartedly dragging their
feet. Note that the former Marine, Murtha, offers total commitment to
an action. He is not a wuss. Marines may differ in opinion, but they
will die for what they believe in.


Most of the time doing nothing is the worst thing. The Democrats
promise everything, are everything to everybody and then fail to
deliver. Bush has a plan, though it may be flawed, and sticks to it.
Apparently it is working as the troop surge shows:

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.as...en&DSNO=961365

You are in a war to win. Any other expected outcome is absolute
nonsense and is a real waste ofprecious American lives. There is no
middle ground and I wish the Democrats would learn that, otherwise the
victory in their grasp will become the blood on their hands.

Nathan

So I gather you're in favor of immediately leaving and are criticizing
the Dems for not doing so. It seemed to me that most of the Dems
expressed hope that the President's plan would work.

"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the President's
plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?

Max

* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the President's
plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see the
President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

Max

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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see
the President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

Max


Actually, most said and are saying that while they believe his "plan" will
fail, they certainly hope it doesn't. That's my belief/desire, as well.


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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see
the President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

Max


Actually, most said and are saying that while they believe his "plan" will
fail, they certainly hope it doesn't. That's my belief/desire, as well.

You can't be serious. If Bush's plan is victorious, he'll have been
vindicated for his Iraq war adventure, and all the naysaying from the left
will have been just so much hot air and BS.

Max

* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 11:13 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.
What cable channel have you been watching?


Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see the
President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

I guess you have to willing to actually listen to what they say. Most
had doubts, and some implied this was his last chance, but they also
said the hoped it worked.

Contrary to what some assholes think, even liberals hope that things
will work out.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 11:13 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.
What cable channel have you been watching?


Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to
see the President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

I guess you have to willing to actually listen to what they say. Most
had doubts, and some implied this was his last chance, but they also
said the hoped it worked.

Contrary to what some assholes think, even liberals hope that things
will work out.

I've got a theory about all this ridiculous political shenanigans that
is going on of late. I think it's all been orchestrated by the powers
that be to keep the terrorists from attacking inside the country again.

I think the Dems and Repubs got together sometime about four years ago
and agreed to the current situation of bickering and unreasonable
actions in congress for the purpose of making the Islamic fascist
terrorists put a hold on their plans. They know any major attack will
unite the country against them like 9-11 did so they can be easily
fooled into thinking the Bush administration is in total ruin and
leftist Democrats who are weak on defense will gain power making it all
the easier for terrorists to strike in the future. As long as terrorists
see the country being torn apart from the inside they can just sit and
bide their time hoping the country will soon crumble under its own
weight.

I just can't imagine how Democrat leaders can continue to be so asinine,
strident, and unrealistic while the Republicans continue to act more and
more spineless. The President seems to be taking everything on the chin
like a victim and acting more and more like lame duck. This is what the
terrorists want and it certainly is what the Democrats want. The
terrorists look at the Democrats and think. "The enemy of my enemy is my
friend." Mr. Bush has happily assumed the role of Democrat and terrorist
enemy to further the cause of freedom. He is a truly great man.

But, the point is that Democrats just cannot be as anti-American as they
seem. Therefore it makes sense for me to conclude it's all a big plan to
thwart terrorists and while President Bush plays the guy everybody loves
to hate, the Democrats are playing the party everybody loves to hate. So
give the Dems some credit if this is the actual case as their playing
their appointed role to perfection has helped the country to remain free
of terrorists attacks.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 11:13 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.
What cable channel have you been watching?


Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see
the President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

I guess you have to willing to actually listen to what they say. Most had
doubts, and some implied this was his last chance, but they also said the
hoped it worked.

Contrary to what some assholes think, even liberals hope that things will
work out.

I honestly believe that to be an outright lie. I'm not accusing you of
lying, but if liberals have said they hope his plan works, they are lying.
A victorious W is the last thing the far left wants. It would vilify
everything they've done up to this point. If the insurgency and the civil
unrest in Iraq comes to a halt, and the country falls into a period of
democratic prosperity and peace, Bush will be hailed as a great President
and a world leader cut from the same cloth as Churchill and Eisenhower. You
can't honestly expect any rational person to believe the left wants that.

Max