This is a total crook of ****. Are you actually claiming that a
majority of Democrats called for immediate withdrawal? No such claim
was made and you dishonor yourself by lying like this.

* Nathan Branden wrote, On 3/14/2007 10:18 AM:
General Pace of the United States Marine Corps is right for not
apologizing for giving his personal opinion. If anyone should be
apologizing it should be the Democrats. They promised to get us out of
Iraq. They control both Houses and all they have to do is pass a bill
requiring immediate withdrawal. It seems they are more interested in
getting re-elected than in the interests of the majority of Americans.
The Democrats lack the spine to take a real stand and one can plainly
see they will makes things much worse by half heartedly dragging their
feet. Note that the former Marine, Murtha, offers total commitment to
an action. He is not a wuss. Marines may differ in opinion, but they
will die for what they believe in.

Semper Fi

Nathan

But there was never a significant number of Dems calling for immediate
withdrawal. He specifically claimed they "promised to get us out" but
in fact that promise was never made. With a few exceptions, the Dems
all said that leaving immediately would be a mistake.

It seems your ideology is blinding, not mine.

* Dave wrote, On 3/14/2007 1:20 PM:
Your ideology is blinding you, Jeff. He was criticizing the Dems for failing
to pass a bill requiring immediate withdrawal.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:56:09 -0400, Jeff said:

This is a total crook of ****. Are you actually claiming that a
majority of Democrats called for immediate withdrawal? No such claim
was made and you dishonor yourself by lying like this.

* Nathan Branden wrote, On 3/14/2007 10:18 AM:
General Pace of the United States Marine Corps is right for not
apologizing for giving his personal opinion. If anyone should be
apologizing it should be the Democrats. They promised to get us out of
Iraq. They control both Houses and all they have to do is pass a bill
requiring immediate withdrawal. It seems they are more interested in
getting re-elected than in the interests of the majority of Americans.
The Democrats lack the spine to take a real stand and one can plainly
see they will makes things much worse by half heartedly dragging their
feet. Note that the former Marine, Murtha, offers total commitment to
an action. He is not a wuss. Marines may differ in opinion, but they
will die for what they believe in.

* Nathan Branden wrote, On 3/14/2007 1:50 PM:
On 14 Mar 2007 12:20:08 -0500, Dave wrote:

Your ideology is blinding you, Jeff. He was criticizing the Dems for failing
to pass a bill requiring immediate withdrawal.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:56:09 -0400, Jeff said:

This is a total crook of ****. Are you actually claiming that a
majority of Democrats called for immediate withdrawal? No such claim
was made and you dishonor yourself by lying like this.

* Nathan Branden wrote, On 3/14/2007 10:18 AM:
General Pace of the United States Marine Corps is right for not
apologizing for giving his personal opinion. If anyone should be
apologizing it should be the Democrats. They promised to get us out of
Iraq. They control both Houses and all they have to do is pass a bill
requiring immediate withdrawal. It seems they are more interested in
getting re-elected than in the interests of the majority of Americans.
The Democrats lack the spine to take a real stand and one can plainly
see they will makes things much worse by half heartedly dragging their
feet. Note that the former Marine, Murtha, offers total commitment to
an action. He is not a wuss. Marines may differ in opinion, but they
will die for what they believe in.


Most of the time doing nothing is the worst thing. The Democrats
promise everything, are everything to everybody and then fail to
deliver. Bush has a plan, though it may be flawed, and sticks to it.
Apparently it is working as the troop surge shows:

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.as...en&DSNO=961365

You are in a war to win. Any other expected outcome is absolute
nonsense and is a real waste ofprecious American lives. There is no
middle ground and I wish the Democrats would learn that, otherwise the
victory in their grasp will become the blood on their hands.

Nathan

So I gather you're in favor of immediately leaving and are criticizing
the Dems for not doing so. It seemed to me that most of the Dems
expressed hope that the President's plan would work.

* Dave wrote, On 3/14/2007 2:46 PM:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:38 -0400, Jeff said:

It seemed to me that most of the Dems
expressed hope that the President's plan would work.

Trying out for Comedy Central, Jeff?

That's what they said. The conservative buffoons like to imagine what
their concept of a liberal would believe, and then claim that's
what all Democrats said.

I prefer to actually use the truth, not fantasy.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
But there was never a significant number of Dems calling for immediate
withdrawal. He specifically claimed they "promised to get us out" but in
fact that promise was never made. With a few exceptions, the Dems all
said that leaving immediately would be a mistake.

I don't seem to recall Murtha saying that.

Max

"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the President's
plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?

Max

* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:37 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
But there was never a significant number of Dems calling for immediate
withdrawal. He specifically claimed they "promised to get us out" but in
fact that promise was never made. With a few exceptions, the Dems all
said that leaving immediately would be a mistake.

I don't seem to recall Murtha saying that.

I didn't say that he did, now did I?

* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the President's
plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see the
President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Maxprop wrote, On 3/14/2007 7:39 PM:
"Jeff" wrote in message

It seemed to me that most of the Dems expressed hope that the
President's plan would work.

What cable channel have you been watching?



Certainly not the one that claims to be "fair and balanced" yet is
anything but.

I've been watching the left-leaning ones, and still don't recall ever
hearing a democrat expressing the opinion that he/she would like to see
the President's plan do anything but fall flat on its face.

Max


Actually, most said and are saying that while they believe his "plan" will
fail, they certainly hope it doesn't. That's my belief/desire, as well.


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